OT: 2020 Census state populations released

[RocketDawg]

Here they are: https://www2.census.gov/programs-su.../apportionment/apportionment-2020-table02.pdf

 

[dorndawg]

New York was 89 persons away from keeping a House seat. Ouch. Minnesota would have lost one instead.

 

[57stratdawg]

A lot of people were nervous Alabama would drop a seat.

 

[Crucifictorious]

There are a number of states that I am shocked we have a higher population than, like Nebraska. I see Puerto Rico has surpassed Mississippi in population though.

 

[johnson86-1]

From what I can tell, that shows Mississippi lost 6,018 people compared to the 2010 census. Looks like the US over all grew by 8.66% from 2010 to 2020. (not positive on that number b/c I'm not sure both sources are excluding Peurto Rico and other US territories).


The Census Bureau's 2018 population estimate for Mississippi's was 2,986,520, so about 25k and just under 1% too high compared to the 2020 census.

 

[johnson86-1]

There are a number of states that I am shocked we have a higher population than, like Nebraska. I see Puerto Rico has surpassed Mississippi in population though.

Peurto Rico has been bigger than Mississippi for a long time, but it's been losing population since the early 2000's.

 

[patdog]

If those trends continue for the next 10 years, MS could be in danger of losing a representative in 2031.

 

[RocketDawg]

New York was 89 persons away from keeping a House seat. Ouch. Minnesota would have lost one instead.

Wow. I suspect they will dispute the numbers and I really can't blame them.

 

[RocketDawg]

A lot of people were nervous Alabama would drop a seat.

Instead, the census numbers were quite a bit higher than the latest estimates (over 80,000 higher if my mental arithmetic is correct).

 

[Russ Wheeler]

From what I can tell, that shows Mississippi lost 6,018 people compared to the 2010 census. Looks like the US over all grew by 8.66% from 2010 to 2020. (not positive on that number b/c I'm not sure both sources are excluding Peurto Rico and other US territories).


The Census Bureau's 2018 population estimate for Mississippi's was 2,986,520, so about 25k and just under 1% too high compared to the 2020 census.

Yep. Has not been a good decade. And I honestly think you can tell.....there was some optimism around Mississippi in the late 2000s, and that seems to have gone away. I'm hoping we're on the precipice of some decent growth again, as the state has had a number of pretty good economic wins.

I guess it's not BAD, but just stagnant. You never like to go backwards, though.

 

[GloryDawg]

I wonder if they are going to have to move District two boundaries?

 

[PineGroveBully]

Hopefully Puerto Rico doesn’t tip over with all those people.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Mississippi will lose a seat. I don’t see that changing.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Bennie might have a little more competition.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

Montana finally got their second house seat. Good for them.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

Here's my way too much data list of priority numbers I calculated based on the population in that PDF.

51 California: 2, 27957745.59936592 -> 16141411.947728992
52 Texas: 2, 20608984.226606425 -> 11898602.590955973
53 California: 3, 16141411.947728992 -> 11413701.846164728
54 Florida: 2, 15229798.082163941 -> 8792928.022441
55 New York: 2, 14284440.156337962 -> 8247125.369484823
...
426 Texas: 38, 777282.5615209319 -> 757089.9529329396
427 Illinois: 17, 776872.4090157541 -> 732442.3313756919
428 Rhode Island: 2, 775964.1324317122 -> 448003.10074094357
429 Alabama: 7, 775263.0808441892 -> 671397.5226272568
430 North Carolina: 14, 773818.9221360099 -> 720386.2119411861
431 Oregon: 6, 773613.5643747033 -> 653822.7954469738
432 Colorado: 8, 771544.9870435757 -> 680438.7203386177
433 California: 52, 767768.6710700496 -> 753143.166451034
434 Montana: 2, 766662.8498319845 -> 442633.0027281819
435 Minnesota: 8, 762562.3367028992 -> 672516.7673667244
New York: 762447.0101245494
Ohio: 761651.0933073402
Texas: 757089.9529329396
Florida: 755842.1878049183
Arizona: 753834.5003749828
California: 753143.166451034
Virginia: 751266.3305362093
Idaho: 750811.8804818334
Michigan: 746981.4717517731
New Jersey: 743714.7299632657
Pennsylvania: 743314.8843441666
Massachusetts: 741018.3160645971
Georgia: 739191.878564384
Washington: 734669.7173124867
Illinois: 732442.3313756919
West Virginia: 732281.4905776785
Utah: 731555.5772275951
Tennessee: 728466.4981666014
Maryland: 727992.829884715
Missouri: 725363.4533188728
Oklahoma: 722875.6504085839
North Carolina: 720386.2119411861
Louisiana: 718707.5084093834
Indiana: 715257.4535615675
Iowa: 713388.1957308026
Delaware: 699998.9438220602
Kentucky: 695265.5891797923
Wisconsin: 694581.3273668694
Nevada: 694212.7947897532
South Carolina: 683978.3110678004
Colorado: 680438.7203386177
Arkansas: 673397.2379872076
Minnesota: 672516.7673667244
Alabama: 671397.5226272568
Mississippi: 662162.11443426
Connecticut: 658352.2899668029
Kansas: 656929.9389737082
Oregon: 653822.7954469738
South Dakota: 626968.2483543325
New Mexico: 611275.9483574774
Hawaii: 594111.8979116364
Nebraska: 566237.4312082638
New Hampshire: 562373.8593143948
Maine: 556180.732748058
North Dakota: 550902.6505817521
Alaska: 518585.74936118326
Vermont: 454724.1075251014
Rhode Island: 448003.10074094357
Montana: 442633.0027281819
Wyoming: 407895.25383424107

 

[johnson86-1]

Yep. Has not been a good decade. And I honestly think you can tell.....there was some optimism around Mississippi in the late 2000s, and that seems to have gone away. I'm hoping we're on the precipice of some decent growth again, as the state has had a number of pretty good economic wins.

I guess it's not BAD, but just stagnant. You never like to go backwards, though.

Cities were the undisputed winners of this century (until COVID at least) and we don't have any real cities unfortunately. If the Mississippi coast were about twice as big, it really could have benefitted from people leaving big cities but still wanting decent amenities. Although we're still not really close to a lot of cities people are trying to get out of and therefore not really on their radar.

 

[TrueMaroonGrind]

If everyone quotes the post above we would break six pack

 

[RocketDawg]

Montana finally got their second house seat. Good for them.

The average number of citizens per representative is about 762,000. Montana has about 1.42 times that number of people in the state. Does 1.42 warrant a 2nd representative?

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

It was a lot longer before I edited it. I can send you the whole list and even the code if you really want it.

 

[SheltonChoked]

If those trends continue for the next 10 years, MS could be in danger of losing a representative in 2031.

I think with the post covid work environment could make MS a major destination over the next 10 years. If they build out real High speed internet like they should.

My office is gone to 3 days a week in person. I could live in Oktibbeha (or even cheaper Clay/winston/Choctaw/or noxubee county) fly to houston and stay in a hotel 2 nights a week, and break even on just the property tax difference. Add being able to live on acerage.

We are already seeing people from Cali moving here, I expect to see a similar "flight" from cities to beaches and the country over the next decade.

 

[Shmuley]

Your head will spin when you get a load of what the feds do to preserve a black majority congressional district. Herman 17n Rorschach will have never seen a gerrymandered inkblot like that damn district will look.

 

[Beretta.sixpack]

Heard some talk about this on Supertalk ....

If those trends continue for the next 10 years, MS could be in danger of losing a representative in 2031.

GG hinted that politics are playing a role in all of this....Mississippi wants to eliminate the state income tax to attract more people....and you are seeing other conservative states trying to do the same to attract more folks....The current administration is trying to keep states from eliminating state income tax by promising more federal funds, and have some sort of clause about doing so....thus keeping some of those states from increasing population and adding seats.....which are mostly conservative.....

I may be explaining it incorrectly, but he said all of this is tied together.

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Anyone got a breakdown of Mississippi by County?

 

[RocketDawg]

Those numbers haven't been released yet and won't be until the Fall, I think.

There will be July 2020 estimates released in late May for cities and counties, but the estimates don't seem to all that close to the actual census numbers, based on the state totals released today.

 

[cowbell88]

Mississippi will lose a seat. I don’t see that changing.

That’s too long, come get Benny Thompson’s now.

 

[kb549]

If those trends continue for the next 10 years, MS could be in danger of losing a representative in 2031.

If Bennie Thompson loses his job, I’m not sure how he will pay his bills. He’ll be destitute. ******

 

[lanceharbor7]

As some one who lives out of state, what significant economic wins has Mississippi had recently?

Yep. Has not been a good decade. And I honestly think you can tell.....there was some optimism around Mississippi in the late 2000s, and that seems to have gone away. I'm hoping we're on the precipice of some decent growth again, as the state has had a number of pretty good economic wins.

I guess it's not BAD, but just stagnant. You never like to go backwards, though.

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Instead, the census numbers were quite a bit higher than the latest estimates (over 80,000 higher if my mental arithmetic is correct).

Heck, The Huntsville area probably grew that much.

 

[dorndawg]

As some one who lives out of state, what significant economic wins has Mississippi had recently?

Continental Tire was a pretty big get in 2019. Milwaukee Tools is bringing 1200 jobs to Grenada County. Three new sawmills coming online in Grenada, Alcorn County, and Lumberton.

 

[Shmuley]

Census told congress the final count will be released to the states in October. Which is total ********.

 

[ArcherSPS]

The difference between those states and MS is that they also have jobs and well funded statewide education to attract people.

 

[johnson86-1]

GG hinted that politics are playing a role in all of this....Mississippi wants to eliminate the state income tax to attract more people....and you are seeing other conservative states trying to do the same to attract more folks....The current administration is trying to keep states from eliminating state income tax by promising more federal funds, and have some sort of clause about doing so....thus keeping some of those states from increasing population and adding seats.....which are mostly conservative.....

I may be explaining it incorrectly, but he said all of this is tied together.

The state aid in the latest "COVID" stimulus has a provision saying that you can't use funds made available by that law to directly or indirectly lower taxes. Part of that is politics in that the blue states generally need those funds just to meet spending they already have committed and they don't want to lose more population to red states that have been more responsibly managed (although that's in general; there are red states that are irresponsible too, such as Mississippi; although the PERS bomb was set by democrats, republicans have been watching it countdown while doing nothing for almost two decades now). But mostly it's just wanting to stick their nose in other states business. It galls them that some people would choose to have lower government spending and lower taxes rather than higher government spending and higher taxes so they want to try to make it harder for states to lower taxes. Doesn't matter, as the "indirectly" portion is not going to be enforceable.

 

[The Peeper]

Wow, you wouldn't believe the economic growth in Starkville alone, we've opened 3 new Mexican restaurants in the last few months (Humble Taco, Uno Mas Taco, and El Veracruz). Add those to the 4 others we already had and we are now a Mexican restaurant destination. There are too many chicken tender sources to even begin to count and citizens are constantly demanding a Caines and an Abners. The hamburger shop population is right up there with those too.

 

[johnson86-1]

As some one who lives out of state, what significant economic wins has Mississippi had recently?

I don't know that we've really had any. We've had some big projects, like Dorn mentioned, but there are always big projects going places and I think we have basically gotten what you would expect or really a little less based on normal churn of the economy. If you look around Mississippi in 2000, and compare it to today, what places are significantly better now than they were then? Basically the south memphis area? The Coast is great, but it's hard to compare to pre-Katrina. Is Tupelo any better? The Jackson MSA has had slow growth, but while Jackson is hollowing out and getting worse, which is not going to help.

 

[johnson86-1]

Your head will spin when you get a load of what the feds do to preserve a black majority congressional district. Herman 17n Rorschach will have never seen a gerrymandered inkblot like that damn district will look.

It is interesting politics. Obviously Bennie will be happy to have a very protected seat. Other democrats will be less happy that Bennis is more protected in exchange for making other districts less competitive, but it's hard for them to come out and argue that a minority congressman has too much job security.

 

[SwampDawg]

Hopefully Puerto Rico doesn’t tip over with all those people.

I see what you did there.

 

[RotorHead]

Delete

 

[RotorHead]

In compiling the census data with data from Johns Hopkins, science/math says that 0.001727801790045% (0.002%) of the United States overall population has died from COVID

 

[dorndawg]

In compiling the census data with data from Johns Hopkins, science/math says that 0.001727801790045% (0.002%) of the United States overall population has died from COVID

Thought it would be noteworthy to visualize the actual numbers:

Deaths in USA from Covid: 569,272
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#datatracker-home

USA population: 330,232,674
https://www.census.gov/popclock/