This might interest Jackson-area golfers...

[Rick Cleveland]

https://mississippitoday.org/2021/0...e-at-jacksons-old-colonial-cc-thats-the-plan/

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

Had my attention,

till I read 12.

 

[Dawg1976]

Yeah...I have no interest in that.

 

[natchezdawg]

This way...

you might actually have a chance of getting in a full round, have a beer at the 13th Hole, and back on the road again before getting your car broken into.

 

[Shmuley]

A course where one will need two 9 irons.

 

[RivaDawg]

Maybe...I could finally break 100!

 

[GloryDawg]

The WOKE folks might not know the history of that place. It is a old course full of noting but dog legs and it is a long course. One hole is misleading. There is a creek about half way between the Tee Box and the greens. You think you can clear it but most can't. I played it a few times. I am not good enough to be called a golfer. Heck I am not even at hacker level yet. I don't really care to be. I only play when my company pay for me to play on a company function. I guess changing it up will help.

 

[GloryDawg]

Maybe...I could finally break 100!

I almost broke 100 once. However it was a par three course in Mobil.

 

[The Peeper]

I can't imagine this happening without razor wire around the entire place. The neighborhoods surrounding that old course are horrible

 

[mstateglfr]

12? Huh.

I get that it's an historical number, but that's the past and citing how a sport was played in its infancy as reason to implement it now is as valid as hanging peach baskets in the Hump next season.

9 holes with 2 tee boxes is a sorta common alternative when space is at a premium.

I grew up occasionally playing an 18 hole par 68 course(6 par 3 and 2 par 5) that is on 90 acres. So this Jackson site being 100 acres...18 can fit.

 

[ZombieKissinger]

It’s been years but I used to play it all the time in Jr High. I remember a creek on the front nine that I’d never clear but I wasn’t any good, so when I was trying to clear it I often didn’t even reach it. I also remember some giant *** ditch that I think was on the back nine that was basically a trickle of water with two huge rock embankments. Used to pound balls into there

 

[John Lorry]

Just my two cents:

While this may seem underwhelming, both from a site perspective and the odd hole number, it's actually pretty damn awesome if it actually happens. King Collins (the architectural group) are the guys behind Sweetens Cove in TN. Sweetens has become a cult golf phenomenon and served as the spring board for King Collins to design numerous courses around the United States, to great acclaim. If you enjoyed Mossy Oak (a Gil Hanse course), you'd really enjoy a King Collins course (natural, minimalist approach to golf course design). People travel from all over the United States to play Sweetens and I've seen people beginning to talk about a King Collins golf trail starting in Jackson, going trough Tupelo (they're slated to revamp a municipal course there too) and ending at Sweetens.

Rob Collins also attended MSU for graduate school, which is a cool connection.

Overall though, King Collins' philosophy is to make golf accessible, sustainable (upkeep/water/drainage/etc), and most of all, fun. Those that play at Sweetens can attest it's not stuffy. It's a beautiful, unique and fun round of golf. There are even secret routings to settle bets. Yeah 12 holes is facially weird, but for a Dad to be able to get off work and play a quick 3 or 6 holes is pretty great. For kids that want to get into the game, it can only be a good thing to have high quality, affordable public golf in Central MS.

Here's a great article on Brazen Head and King Collins by Will Bardwell, a Jacksonian lawyer that's also full on golf addict and golf writer: Article.

 

[johnson86-1]

Just my two cents:

While this may seem underwhelming, both from a site perspective and the odd hole number, it's actually pretty damn awesome if it actually happens. King Collins (the architectural group) are the guys behind Sweetens Cove in TN. Sweetens has become a cult golf phenomenon and served as the spring board for King Collins to design numerous courses around the United States, to great acclaim. If you enjoyed Mossy Oak (a Gil Hanse course), you'd really enjoy a King Collins course (natural, minimalist approach to golf course design). People travel from all over the United States to play Sweetens and I've seen people beginning to talk about a King Collins golf trail starting in Jackson, going trough Tupelo (they're slated to revamp a municipal course there too) and ending at Sweetens.

Rob Collins also attended MSU for graduate school, which is a cool connection.

Overall though, King Collins' philosophy is to make golf accessible, sustainable (upkeep/water/drainage/etc), and most of all, fun. Those that play at Sweetens can attest it's not stuffy. It's a beautiful, unique and fun round of golf. There are even secret routings to settle bets. Yeah 12 holes is facially weird, but for a Dad to be able to get off work and play a quick 3 or 6 holes is pretty great. For kids that want to get into the game, it can only be a good thing to have high quality, affordable public golf in Central MS.

Here's a great article on Brazen Head and King Collins by Will Bardwell, a Jacksonian lawyer that's also full on golf addict and golf writer: Article.

^^^THIS^^^

This is not going to be a typical golf course pared down to 12 holes. There are probably going to be plenty of golfers that don't like it, but based on Sweetens popularity, there will be a lot more that love it. I haven't been to Sweetens and the description doesn't seem that appealing to me, but it's apparently appealing to a lot of people. I think Sweetens even allows golfers to play holes from different tee boxes. May have had to quit that after it exploded in popularity, not sure.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

Just my two cents:

While this may seem underwhelming, both from a site perspective and the odd hole number, it's actually pretty damn awesome if it actually happens. King Collins (the architectural group) are the guys behind Sweetens Cove in TN. Sweetens has become a cult golf phenomenon and served as the spring board for King Collins to design numerous courses around the United States, to great acclaim. If you enjoyed Mossy Oak (a Gil Hanse course), you'd really enjoy a King Collins course (natural, minimalist approach to golf course design). People travel from all over the United States to play Sweetens and I've seen people beginning to talk about a King Collins golf trail starting in Jackson, going trough Tupelo (they're slated to revamp a municipal course there too) and ending at Sweetens.

Rob Collins also attended MSU for graduate school, which is a cool connection.

Overall though, King Collins' philosophy is to make golf accessible, sustainable (upkeep/water/drainage/etc), and most of all, fun. Those that play at Sweetens can attest it's not stuffy. It's a beautiful, unique and fun round of golf. There are even secret routings to settle bets. Yeah 12 holes is facially weird, but for a Dad to be able to get off work and play a quick 3 or 6 holes is pretty great. For kids that want to get into the game, it can only be a good thing to have high quality, affordable public golf in Central MS.

Here's a great article on Brazen Head and King Collins by Will Bardwell, a Jacksonian lawyer that's also full on golf addict and golf writer: Article.

I enjoy getting out and spending all day on the course, and then ultimately seeing what my score is. So, this idea will not really appeal to me. But for all these folks who just like to gamble, hem-haw, play scrambles and act like a 2 hour round should be normal, this is great for them. And hey I'm all for it, it frees up space on the 18 hole courses for guys like me who like to spend all day out there going at a normal rate of play.

And if it means economic development for the state, that's even better.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

It was an 18-hole course forever until it closed. I wonder if the draw is shortened rounds? I know that I went from daily golf, to weekly golf, to a few times a year to once every few years. The drop was coincident with me adding responsibility and choosing to focus more on family than self, but even now, I have time, but just never got back into it. The idea of an entire Saturday spend at the golf course isn't appealing to me. Also for my game it would be awesome to quote my scores from a round without saying it was only 12 holes!

 

[mstateglfr]

Just my two cents:

While this may seem underwhelming, both from a site perspective and the odd hole number, it's actually pretty damn awesome if it actually happens. King Collins (the architectural group) are the guys behind Sweetens Cove in TN. Sweetens has become a cult golf phenomenon and served as the spring board for King Collins to design numerous courses around the United States, to great acclaim. If you enjoyed Mossy Oak (a Gil Hanse course), you'd really enjoy a King Collins course (natural, minimalist approach to golf course design). People travel from all over the United States to play Sweetens and I've seen people beginning to talk about a King Collins golf trail starting in Jackson, going trough Tupelo (they're slated to revamp a municipal course there too) and ending at Sweetens.

Rob Collins also attended MSU for graduate school, which is a cool connection.

Overall though, King Collins' philosophy is to make golf accessible, sustainable (upkeep/water/drainage/etc), and most of all, fun. Those that play at Sweetens can attest it's not stuffy. It's a beautiful, unique and fun round of golf. There are even secret routings to settle bets. Yeah 12 holes is facially weird, but for a Dad to be able to get off work and play a quick 3 or 6 holes is pretty great. For kids that want to get into the game, it can only be a good thing to have high quality, affordable public golf in Central MS.

Here's a great article on Brazen Head and King Collins by Will Bardwell, a Jacksonian lawyer that's also full on golf addict and golf writer: Article.

Sweetens Cove is a really neat story and I am sure its an awesome experience. It doesnt seem like a natural or minimalist approach to golf course design though. They moved more dirt in 9 holes than most 36 hole builds have to move. Nothing about the site is natural or minimalist in its design or build.

It is really awesome that the result of the design is a more sustainable layout that reduces water consumption and is lower maintenance. That is definitely a great approach.

 

[John Lorry]

Sweetens Cove is a really neat story and I am sure its an awesome experience. It doesnt seem like a natural or minimalist approach to golf course design though. They moved more dirt in 9 holes than most 36 hole builds have to move. Nothing about the site is natural or minimalist in its design or build.

It is really awesome that the result of the design is a more sustainable layout that reduces water consumption and is lower maintenance. That is definitely a great approach.

The "natural" and "minimalist" terms are used a lot, and can be construed in a way that puts in them misnomer territory. I didn't intend to suggest Sweetens was a SE TN Carne Golf Links, created by nature with little to no intervention. Just that the result is distinct from modern parkland courses a la Fazio/Nicklaus/Dye, and more akin to courses designed by Doak/Coore and Crenshaw/Hanse/David McClay Kidd. The latter more readily blending in and looking as though the land was barely touched.

 

[ronpolk]

I can't imagine this happening without razor wire around the entire place. The neighborhoods surrounding that old course are horrible

I’m not saying the area is the best Jackson has to offer but I don’t think it’s a terrible area either.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

I can't imagine this happening without razor wire around the entire place. The neighborhoods surrounding that old course are horrible

Around Colonial? Bro, you need to get out more. Jackson has much worse than that. In no way am I fearful while I roll down Old Canton.

It ain't the lilly white utopia of 1992, and I suspect maybe that's what scares you?

 

[mstateglfr]

The "natural" and "minimalist" terms are used a lot, and can be construed in a way that puts in them misnomer territory. I didn't intend to suggest Sweetens was a SE TN Carne Golf Links, created by nature with little to no intervention. Just that the result is distinct from modern parkland courses a la Fazio/Nicklaus/Dye, and more akin to courses designed by Doak/Coore and Crenshaw/Hanse/David McClay Kidd. The latter more readily blending in and looking as though the land was barely touched.

Gotcha, yeah i can completely see the view that it is distinctly different from parkland styles and in that way the result appears more natural and minimalist.

 

[Crucifictorious]

12 holes of golf is about my limit these days anyways, so I'd be all over this.

 

[jethreauxdawg]

Speaking of Mossy Oak, how is that course now? I played it right after it opened. None of the native grass areas had grown in so I was able to find my ball most of the time. No trees anywhere. It was the hottest I’ve ever been on a course with the sun reflecting off all the sand. I’m guessing the grass growing in to cover all that sand probably helps cool it off, but I’d never find my drive now. I hope to play it again soon.

 

[dorndawg]

The WOKE folks might not know the history of that place. It is a old course full of noting but dog legs and it is a long course. One hole is misleading. There is a creek about half way between the Tee Box and the greens. You think you can clear it but most can't. I played it a few times. I am not good enough to be called a golfer. Heck I am not even at hacker level yet. I don't really care to be. I only play when my company pay for me to play on a company function. I guess changing it up will help.

I'm curious why you used "WOKE" here - are you using it as a synonym for young?

 

[GloryDawg]

Around Colonial? Bro, you need to get out more. Jackson has much worse than that. In no way am I fearful while I roll down Old Canton.

It ain't the lilly white utopia of 1992, and I suspect maybe that's what scares you?

People forget that the Jackson Country Club is about half mile up the road and Colonial is really close to Ridgeland. That Colonial Heights area are middle class.

 

[John Lorry]

I played it last October. Perfect shape and such a fun course. Nothing like it in Mississippi.

 

[The Peeper]

No, its the drive by on Fairfax Circle where shots were fired into a 4 yr olds bedroom. Its the endless car break ins, the burglaries. I had inlaws there until 4 years ago and I'm sure its much worse now.

 

[The Peeper]

I haven't forgotten anything. Country Club residents felt so safe they closed one entrance to neighborhood and built a guard house at the other? They still have problems all the time and have cars broken into in their own parking lot

 

[Zschurch]

Sweetens Cove and the King Collins team are the real deal. If Jackson could host one of their courses it would be great for a city that has so little public golf. These guys are doing a lot to make quality, well designed golf courses accessible to those that aren't fortunate enough to be a member of an elite country club. They also understand golf course design and what makes a course playable and fun which obviously contributes to it being financially successful.

Avid golfers travel from all over to play Sweetens Cove which is just a 9 hole course because it has such a good reputation. It would be great have something like that in Jackson!

 

[johnson86-1]

I enjoy getting out and spending all day on the course, and then ultimately seeing what my score is. So, this idea will not really appeal to me. But for all these folks who just like to gamble, hem-haw, play scrambles and act like a 2 hour round should be normal, this is great for them. And hey I'm all for it, it frees up space on the 18 hole courses for guys like me who like to spend all day out there going at a normal rate of play.

And if it means economic development for the state, that's even better.

Are you playing 45 holes a day? Because that's what you should be playing if you are spending all day at the course.

Golf has some challenges, but the crazy slow pace that people have adopted has to be up there as one of the worst things it has going for it. THis is hard to fix, but I think courses could do better if they required a 3.5 hour round. I am not a good golfer and can play a foursome with three other golfers like me, and two carts and finish in 3 hours on the vast majority of courses. 3.5 hours should be plenty for most courses for non-tournament play.

 

[johnson86-1]

I’m not saying the area is the best Jackson has to offer but I don’t think it’s a terrible area either.

Yea, I haven't spent any time in the area since I last played that course, but at that time, that was a relatively nice area of Jackson. At least one of the safer places. That's obviously been a while though.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

Are you playing 45 holes a day? Because that's what you should be playing if you are spending all day at the course.

Golf has some challenges, but the crazy slow pace that people have adopted has to be up there as one of the worst things it has going for it. THis is hard to fix, but I think courses could do better if they required a 3.5 hour round. I am not a good golfer and can play a foursome with three other golfers like me, and two carts and finish in 3 hours on the vast majority of courses. 3.5 hours should be plenty for most courses for non-tournament play.

I have no problem with 3-3.5 hour rounds. But I'm also not complaining about playing golf, drinking beer and smoking cigars in a golf cart either. When the pace slows, that gives me extra time to do those last two things.

I'm not out there hustling because I have better sh*t to do, in other words. I honestly do NOT have anything better or more fun to do than play golf, drink beer and smoke cigars. While you don't understand me, I honestly have no clue why guys like you are so eager to get out of there.

 

[GloryDawg]

I haven't forgotten anything. Country Club residents felt so safe they closed one entrance to neighborhood and built a guard house at the other? They still have problems all the time and have cars broken into in their own parking lot

The police present is heavy in that area.