OT - Man to land on the moon

[PirateDawg]

https://www.nasa.gov/specials/apollo50th/back.html

 

[Felonious Junk]

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[Antonio Brown's Foot]

https://www.laboiteverte.fr/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/holy-****-moon1-648x920.jpg

 

[patdog]

Unfortunately, the history of NASA's missions and funding over the last 40 years is that the goals completely change every time a new president is elected, and of course everything costs more and takes longer than budgeted. I'm hopeful we'll land a crew on the moon in 2024, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[EngDawg]

Unfortunately, the history of NASA's missions and funding over the last 40 years is that the goals completely change every time a new president is elected, and of course everything costs more and takes longer than budgeted. I'm hopeful we'll land a crew on the moon in 2024, but I'm not holding my breath.

Yeah, I’d put money on 2024 not happening. At this rate, we may not see Artemis 2 fly by then. But hopefully the project doesn’t get abandoned or put on zombie status and we make it back within the next few years any way.

 

[Bill Shankly]

America has always been about the frontier. We have suffered since we no longer had one. We NEED this in the worst way.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

Ain’t happening unless Elon does it. And he’s more interested in Mars.

 

[RocketDawg]

Unfortunately, the history of NASA's missions and funding over the last 40 years is that the goals completely change every time a new president is elected, and of course everything costs more and takes longer than budgeted. I'm hopeful we'll land a crew on the moon in 2024, but I'm not holding my breath.

NASA as a whole might be OK. Harris is from Southern California, where aerospace is huge. Generally, the NASA budget is so far down in the noise level that it might not even matter to them. We've survived party changes before and probalby will this time too.

It's pretty amazing that it's taking so long to actually build and fly the SLS though. I've been retired for 11 years, and we were working on it then and had been for a while. Saturn V was conceived and built in, I think, about 4 years. Of course, money was not much of a consideration then, but we also didn't have the technology that we do now. It should be simpler now, in theory.

 

[WrapItDog]

Since we're on the moon subject

The Allstate Moon commercial makes no sense. When the moon rover thing jumps the side of the crater with no gravity it would keep going off into space instead of landing smoothy at the bottom of the crater

 

[PineGroveBully]

The moon has gravity, it’s only about 1/6 of the strength of Earth’s gravity if memory serves

 

[patdog]

I’ll be surprised if Mars happens in the next 100 years. People are vastly underestimating the difficulties.

 

[WrapItDog]

The moon has gravity, it’s only about 1/6 of the strength of Earth’s gravity if memory serves

Well there you go. I have successfully killed all my grade school brain cells

 

[Bill Shankly]

Ain’t happening unless Elon does it. And he’s more interested in Mars.

Elon is more likely to go to prison for fraud than he is to go to Mars. I think that's why he is so gung ho to get to Mars, it's his only hope of escaping Leavenworth. No extradition treaties with Mars!

 

[PineGroveBully]

I wouldn’t have wanted to have been an ole country boy that hadn’t watched the news and was sitting in a deer stand anywhere near the SSC in Hancock county say around 4:20isb this afternoon.

 

[CagerMania]

I was laughing at that commercial the other day

Since we're on the moon subject

The Allstate Moon commercial makes no sense. When the moon rover thing jumps the side of the crater with no gravity it would keep going off into space instead of landing smoothy at the bottom of the crater

When they jump, there’s a disclaimer at the bottom that says “do not attempt” because of course there’s a lawyer who told them if we ever make it back to the moon and some astronaut decides to go Evel Kneivel, they could sue Allstate if not for this disclaimer.

 

[SwampDawg]

Here we are, thirty trillion dollars in debt, about to adopt several million people to clothe, medicate, house, educate, etc., and we are going to the frickin moon? Will we raise taxes to do this or just borrow it?

 

[Ralph Cramden]

Whether we tax to get or we just print more money it comes out of the working class tax payers pocket. The more they print the less the dollar is worth.

 

[EngDawg]

Here we are, thirty trillion dollars in debt, about to adopt several million people to clothe, medicate, house, educate, etc., and we are going to the frickin moon? Will we raise taxes to do this or just borrow it?

Bruh, it’s not that expensive in the grand scheme of things. You’re much better off complaining about welfare spending or the F-35 program depending on your political affiliation.

 

[RocketDawg]

He's certainly an odd duck. Appears to have a lot of good people working for him though.

 

[RocketDawg]

The space budget isn't even a speck on the window - it's totally untoticeable in the grand scheme of things. And it's directly responsible for a lot of the things you use on a daily basis and take for granted.

 

[PineGroveBully]

And man reaps all kinds of benefits and technology that might never spawn itself without pushing the boundaries of our space capabilities.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

The space budget isn't even a speck on the window - it's totally untoticeable in the grand scheme of things. And it's directly responsible for a lot of the things you use on a daily basis and take for granted.

You would get more empathy with NASA if you talked about the lack of pronouns in NASA. The young folks today ain't worried 'bout that space **** if it ain't on Xbox or Play Station

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

Whether we tax to get or we just print more money it comes out of the working class tax payers pocket. The more they print the less the dollar is worth.

Is that the reason why gas went from $1.49 to $2.09 since the election?

Are we back to Barry's New/Old Normal?

 

[was21]

NASA budget roughly one half percent or 0.50% if the budget compared to about 1% for foreign aid...so neither amount to much contrary to popular myth, particularly foreign aid myth.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

I didn’t think I’d see Frederick Jackson Turner invoked here.

 

[tribaldawg]

When Tom Hanks, Bill Paxton, and Kevin Bacon missed the moon I was over trying to go back.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

What the hell did ya'll expect

with all of this Free $ going out.

Socialism in progress.

Just wait till they pump out that $15.00 min. wage stuff.

 

[BossDawg78]

Fat fingered a downvote. But THIS ^^^

Y'all can forget about the moon. This country is about to be turned into a 3rd world cesspool.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

Fat fingered a downvote. But THIS ^^^

Y'all can forget about the moon. This country is about to be turned into a 3rd world cesspool.

Your side has been insisting this for decades. Why should we suddenly believe you?

 

[mstateglfr]

Fat fingered a downvote. But THIS ^^^

Y'all can forget about the moon. This country is about to be turned into a 3rd world cesspool.

I can list things that I view as good and bad during Reagan, Bush, Clinton, W, Obama. Heck, I can even list some things I view as good during Trump(listing bad is a given).

I dont understand why we will suddenly turn i to a cesspool now. Furthermore, I would think turning into a cesspool would be a slow process for a country with the largest economy and third largest population in the world. If we are about to turn into a 3rd world cesspool, then its been tracking that way for the last few years...

 

[BoDawg.sixpack]

Musk is shooting for 2024.

 

[Go Budaw]

When they jump, there’s a disclaimer at the bottom that says “do not attempt” because of course there’s a lawyer who told them if we ever make it back to the moon and some astronaut decides to go Evel Kneivel, they could sue Allstate if not for this disclaimer.

I got a pretty good laugh out of that. The good news is that your liability coverage premium would be pretty much zero....not a great chance of getting in a fender bender with another driver on the surface of the moon.

 

[patdog]

Uncrewed mission in 2024. He might have an outside shot of that. I don't know. But it's going to be several orders of magnitude more difficult to send humans there, land them, and bring them back home.

 

[RocketDawg]

Right now, I just want Perserverance to land safely and start taking data. Scheduled for Feb 18.

 

[EngDawg]

I will say that the failed SLS green run test yesterday doesn’t bode well, but then again, my personal preference is to cancel SLS and modify existing launch vehicles to support a lunar mission.

I think the biggest challenge to this method would be that a Delta IV upper-stage would likely have to be refueled on orbit. That’s never been attempted before. (Hell it may not be possible, what do I know...). Refueling on orbit is absolutely essential to get to Mars though so this would be an important step in that direction.

For those curious, here’s how I see this playing out:

Delta IV heavy can launch Orion into LEO. Another Delta IV heavy would launch a tanker to refuel the first Delta’s upper-stage.

Delta IV heavy is not manned rated, so the crew launches aboard a SpaceX F9 Crew Dragon and rendezvous with Orion.

Select Blue Origin’s HLS proposal and launch it on Vulcan Centaur.

So here’s your launch cost totals. Keep in mind, HLS will be used across multiple missions.

Without SLS
Orion:
2 Delta IV heavy launches: $700 mil
1 Crewed F9 launch: $220 mil

HLS:
3 Vulcan Centaur launches : $600 mil


Total: $1.52 Billion

With SLS:
Orion:
1 SLS launch: $2 Billion

HLS
1 SLS launch: $2 Billion

Total: $4 Billion


The math just doesn’t make sense for SLS to continue to exist.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

Uncrewed mission in 2024. He might have an outside shot of that. I don't know. But it's going to be several orders of magnitude more difficult to send humans there, land them, and bring them back home.

By far the hardest part is bringing them back home, which is why I agree with the people who say the first mission should be permanent, with the astronauts having the understanding that they're long-term colonists, maybe permanently, or at least for decades.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_to_Stay

 

[RocketDawg]

Heard that the test had to be cut short. Was supposed to be around 8 minutes.

 

[patdog]

Even just landing humans on Mars is going to be a huge challenge. Nobody right now really knows how the heck it can be done. You've got no atmosphere to speak of to slow the descent. If you bring enough fuel to slow it with brute force, you're going to drive up the weight and mission cost exponentially. And the bouncy balls and cranes they've used for the light rovers aren't feasible with a much heavier lander with humans inside.