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[paindonthurt_]

#26 in deaths per million

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

 

[57stratdawg]

Ouch. Those are some ugly graphs.

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Thanks China...

 

[LandArchDawg]

Yeah, if we were going to hold China's feet to the fire about this, we certainly elected the wrong guy to do that job.

 

[Jeffreauxdawg]

Sweden is Vanderbilt on this deal. Dead last in their conference (Scandinavia) by an 8-1 ratio. But yes, if you compare them with countries full of old, fat, unhealthy bastards they look much better.... They same way Vandy would if you let them play in the SWAC.

Sweden should be commended on the overall health of their people, but they like most of the world get a big **** burger for handling the virus.


Assuming that Sweden's population looks more like their neighbors than let's say Peru, Italy, or the US... Well Sweden ended up with 4-10 times more deaths than if they took a different course. Now that may have been worth it for them, I'm not passing judgement. In reality,most of those deaths were probably getting ready to punch their tickets anyway.

Deaths per million
Sweden 861
Denmark 216
Finland 100
Iceland 85
Denmark 80

 

[jethreauxdawg]

if you compare them with countries full of old, fat, unhealthy bastards they look much better....

Maybe we should freak out over the “fat, unhealthy”, that might actually increase life expectancy and quality of life...
Nah, let’s just take a vaccine and keep funneling the sugar.

 

[mstateglfr]

Ugh. 17ing Sweden, man. What an odd country to latch onto to make a political statement about a novel virus pandemic.
Why not Australia?!?! Why isnt Australia the country to look to for how to handle the pandemic? Their numbers are incredibly good and have stayed that way this whole time.
It could be argued that Australia is unique due to it being an island and therefore we cant compare. Well 17ing Sweden is unique too. There is no direct comparison.
...is Australia not referenced because it employed lockdowns?


The graphs below all show steep rises. The numbers per million are lower than the US for sure, but why is this the country that is continually referenced by some as handling the virus the right way?...their numbers are up.
The US has simply sucked at handling the virus, and thats for a number of reasons.

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[mstateglfr]

Maybe we should freak out over the “fat, unhealthy”, that might actually increase life expectancy and quality of life...
Nah, let’s just take a vaccine and keep funneling the sugar.

How do you propose the US handle obesity. Serious question.
Within your limited government perspective, I really cant come up with possible solutions.
I am all ears. The obesity crisis is very much real and very much avoidable. It would save lives and money. I just cant dont know how it would be actually solved with less oversight and more personal responsibility since, you know, we lack that as a people.

 

[Jeffreauxdawg]

How do you propose the US handle obesity. Serious question.
Within your limited government perspective, I really cant come up with possible solutions.
I am all ears. The obesity crisis is very much real and very much avoidable. It would save lives and money. I just cant dont know how it would be actually solved with less oversight and more personal responsibility since, you know, we lack that as a people.

Have you ever tried to buy private life insurance? They factor in your age, weight, smoking, etc... You pay more for unhealthy behavior or ho I like to look at is I get a discount for healthy behavior.

The same could be done with health insurance. In a capitalist society, the only way I know of to encourage people to do anything is by financially rewarding them to do so. It's the only reason any of us work, get an education, etc.

 

[jethreauxdawg]

I think a start would be for all the disease “experts” to make a point of repeatedly encouraging people to eat healthier and exercise and highlight how this disease (and others) are disproportionately killing obese people. Every time they have a press conference, hammer this point home.

 

[WilCoDawg]

This is too reasonable for people to accept. No one wants to reap what they sow when they’re sowing horrible future consequences. If people have to pay for higher healthcare due to their horrible choices, they moan and groan about healthcare being a right or healthcare being systematically racist.

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

How do you propose the US handle obesity. Serious question.
Within your limited government perspective, I really cant come up with possible solutions.
I am all ears. The obesity crisis is very much real and very much avoidable. It would save lives and money. I just cant dont know how it would be actually solved with less oversight and more personal responsibility since, you know, we lack that as a people.

One thing that would help is not letting people buy Little Debbie’s, Sodas, Ice Cream and chips with EBT cards.

 

[johnson86-1]

How do you propose the US handle obesity. Serious question.
Within your limited government perspective, I really cant come up with possible solutions.
I am all ears. The obesity crisis is very much real and very much avoidable. It would save lives and money. I just cant dont know how it would be actually solved with less oversight and more personal responsibility since, you know, we lack that as a people.

Well, the government spent deacades encouraging low fat, high carb diets. Less government intervention could be addition by subtraction.

 

[johnson86-1]

Yeah, if we were going to hold China's feet to the fire about this, we certainly elected the wrong guy to do that job.

Erroneous. Biden and his family are going to milk China for millions and millions of dollars because of this.

Can't imagine that won't impact their behavior next time they are thinking about risking inflicting trillions of dollars of damage on the rest of the world.

 

[johnson86-1]

I think a start would be for all the disease “experts” to make a point of repeatedly encouraging people to eat healthier and exercise and highlight how this disease (and others) are disproportionately killing obese people. Every time they have a press conference, hammer this point home.

This isn't exactly unknown. They could have moved the needle a slight amount by stressing it more, but the reality is it's been well known for about 6 months now that this disease is pretty dangerous for unhealthy people and not so dangerous for healthy people. Any obese people that haven't made significant strides in losing weight these past six months just aren't going to do it for the most part. There will be a few that are obese in part because the stage of life they're in makes their health less of a priority (e.g., kids in the house hold and lots of work demands making exercise more difficult), but for the most part, there will never be a stronger incentive to lose weight than the past six months, so if this didn't cause significant changes, I'm not sure what would.

 

[dorndawg]

Healthcare is a right.

 

[Mobile Bay]

Well, the government spent deacades encouraging low fat, high carb diets. Less government intervention could be addition by subtraction.

The very same government scientists telling us to live in a hole, under a rock, with 17 masks on wouldn't ever be wrong, would they***?

 

[mstateglfr]

Have you ever tried to buy private life insurance? They factor in your age, weight, smoking, etc... You pay more for unhealthy behavior or ho I like to look at is I get a discount for healthy behavior.

The same could be done with health insurance. In a capitalist society, the only way I know of to encourage people to do anything is by financially rewarding them to do so. It's the only reason any of us work, get an education, etc.

For sure, financial incentive is a strong driver for behavior modification.
I am not sure what would 'be done with' all those who couldnt afford health insurance due to the high costs associated with a penalty for being overweight/high risk. How would that massive(no pun) group of people be handled?
If health insurance is based on the odds that you will cost the system money, then those who are obese, pregnant, born with an illness, born with a mental or physical deformity, and just plain old will all have to pay more. Often times, people who are low wage earners and therefore cant afford high insurance costs, are in that position due to health issues(and many are no fault of theirs).

So do those who cant afford high medical insurance just not get seen for treatments and die? Or what?


==im not criticizing your post, please dont take my comments that way.==

 

[mstateglfr]

I think a start would be for all the disease “experts” to make a point of repeatedly encouraging people to eat healthier and exercise and highlight how this disease (and others) are disproportionately killing obese people. Every time they have a press conference, hammer this point home.

I dont think anyone who is an adult of sound mind is unaware that poor nutrition and exercise can lead to obesity and other health related issues. And I dont think any of those people is unaware that obesity statistically leads to a shorter life.

Maybe I give people too much credit with what they are aware of?
This has been hammered home for decades now. Generations now, really.

It certainly wouldnt hurt to continue to highlight the benefits of healthy eating and exercise, but this to me sort of seems like doing a fundraiser for cancer awareness...everyone is already aware of cancer.

 

[Bobby Ricigliano]

No, it’s not. That’s saying you have a right to someone else’s labor.

 

[mstateglfr]

One thing that would help is not letting people buy Little Debbie’s, Sodas, Ice Cream and chips with EBT cards.

That certainly is one thing.

Wisconsin basically did this a few years ago with mandating 2/3 or 3/4 of SNAP be used on 'healthy food'. Good luck defining what that means though.
Your examples are obviously not healthy, but the issue is with all the foods that arent so obviously unhealthy.
In general, I am not opposed to this idea, though it is very limited in scope since the number of people on SNAP/WIC is small and therefore such policies would have control over a small % of the population.

I also would never categorize WIC and SNAP as programs that would be supported by those wanting more limited government and those wanting less government restrictions. But perhaps thats best not addressed...

 

[dorndawg]

If a person can watch this pandemic unfold and STILL not conclude healthcare is a universal human right, I have pity for them for whatever happened in their lives to be so hateful to their neighbors.

 

[mstateglfr]

Well, the government spent deacades encouraging low fat, high carb diets. Less government intervention could be addition by subtraction.

This is topical since updated guidelines came out yesterday. I think they are updated every 5 years? The guidelines have serious ramifications and affect school lunch programs as well as other federal food programs.


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/29/new-us-dietary-guidelines-no-candy-cake-for-kids-under-2.html
Who woulda guessed sugar isnt needed for infants and toddlers?! Next thing they are going to say is that all the juice kids get are just empty calories and nutritionally no better than a coke!

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/29/health/dietary-guidelines-alcohol-sugar.html
https://www.dietaryguidelines.gov/
Its a shame the federal government chose to not take a stronger position on nutrition. This is not surprising though.

 

[Bobby Ricigliano]

If a person can’t look at a situation and foresee the ramifications of turning a profession that requires our best & brightest into slave labor, I have pity for them for whatever happened in their life that so limited their ability to think critically.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

No, it’s not. That’s saying you have a right to someone else’s labor.

Age old question. And it is at this point, where the left leaner will fall into the shaming routine, which dorndawg has already done. Then the conversation just becomes terrible.

The answer is somewhere in the middle. ALL healthcare is not a right, but some of it probably should be, such as emergency services.

 

[jethreauxdawg]

Yeah, it’s known

This isn't exactly unknown. They could have moved the needle a slight amount by stressing it more, but the reality is it's been well known for about 6 months now that this disease is pretty dangerous for unhealthy people and not so dangerous for healthy people. Any obese people that haven't made significant strides in losing weight these past six months just aren't going to do it for the most part. There will be a few that are obese in part because the stage of life they're in makes their health less of a priority (e.g., kids in the house hold and lots of work demands making exercise more difficult), but for the most part, there will never be a stronger incentive to lose weight than the past six months, so if this didn't cause significant changes, I'm not sure what would.

But no one in a prominent position is talking about it. Maybe they are and I just missed it. It would love for Faucci or whoever has a platform during this time to start making a big deal about it. It would be great if the news would list the obese killed by covid and the non-obese killed by covid as side by side charts while they throw out their covid stats. I think most people really don’t think they are “that big”. Just because other people are obese, doesn’t mean obese is OK from a health standpoint. If people had started taking obesity seriously in March, we could’ve pretty much eradicated it by now. It’s not complicated. Instead we have officials saying to close down gyms, sit at the house, and watch TV. What does that lead to?
But it’s not just obesity. You can be skinny and not be healthy, although it gives you a larger margin for error. Why don’t we ever hear health experts talk about strengthening your immune system? All we hear about is “sanitize everything”. When people’s immune systems are conditioned to only sterile environments, they struggle to handle germs they actually come into contact with. Yes, that is a completely different tangent, but I get frustrated that our entire health system revolves around what makes big pharma more money.

 

[jethreauxdawg]

Healthcare is a responsibility.

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