Can I ask a question about Christmann?

Seinfeld

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Nov 30, 2006
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I realize that there aren’t too many people losing sleep over special teams this time of year, but is there any particular logic to replacing a kid that’s tied for all time highest make % at MSU during his senior year?

Maybe it’s just me, but ST and specifically kicking has always been one of those things that you just don’t fix when it’s not broken. Christmann is 80% over the last 3 years which put him well ahead of basically every kicker we’ve ever had with the exception of Brent Smith
 

maroonmania

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Feb 23, 2008
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New coaching staff means everyone starts over and new guy has a much stronger leg and can Kick Off...

Good to have leg strength, but for college, accuracy inside of 45 yards is my number one criteria. I would be fine if Chrismann just kicked FGs inside 40 and Ruiz longer than 40. Maybe Ruiz has been super accurate as well though.
 

mcdawg22

Heisman
Sep 18, 2004
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When he misses the first 35 yarder, there is going to be a lot of hand wringing.
 

Swede39

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Jan 29, 2016
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I realize that there aren’t too many people losing sleep over special teams this time of year, but is there any particular logic to replacing a kid that’s tied for all time highest make % at MSU during his senior year?

Maybe it’s just me, but ST and specifically kicking has always been one of those things that you just don’t fix when it’s not broken. Christmann is 80% over the last 3 years which put him well ahead of basically every kicker we’ve ever had with the exception of Brent Smith

Sorry, late to the game guys.

This is news to me that Christmann is #2. I even double checked the depth chart.

My first reaction is, if this is true, it's moronic. Go with the guy that is proven. Coaches (and fans) want to dwell over distance more than anything else. It makes sense to a certain degree but after you bypass the standard distance required (I'd say 40/45 yards for field goals and punts), you've got to place more emphasis on other things when you're picking your starter. Mental. Consistency. Resiliency.

I'll say it for the coaches and experts in the back - IT DOES NOT MATTER THAT SOME KID KICKED A 65 YARD FIELD GOAL IN HIGH SCHOOL, COLLEGE PRACTICE, OR OUT WITH HIS BUDS ONE DAY AND PUT IT ON YOUTUBE.
What does matter is when the lights come on, fans are screaming, ESPN camera in your face, and there's players on the other side of that ball that don't particularly care for your well being, can you perform? You simply do not know until then. There's no way to emulate all of that. So it can kind of be a crap shoot when you have a new guy take the reigns when a senior graduates.

Also, I'm not saying Ruiz isn't a good kicker. He may turn out to be an All American. I hope he does.

Rant Over.

Now a few things that could be at play here. (I have no idea but these are some real things that happen).

1. Leach may have had some hand in recruiting Ruiz. No idea the back story of any of that. (2 kids under 3, job change, and building a house have been kicking my butt)
That's what happened to me with Mullen. He just simply didn't recruit me so by default on I was on the list.

2. There may be a little friction with Christmann and whoever is the coach over the kickers. There is a lot of things at play on this one so I'll try to keep it brief.
a. Sometimes whoever is over the kickers/punters/snappers is a grad assistant that is trying to work their way up to being a position coach.
b. Sometimes it's the special teams coach who has a lot of experience in X's and O's but has no idea how to coach kickers and punters.
c. Sometimes it's a guy that has either kicked/punted/snapped at the collegiate level, or knows exactly how to coach kickers and punters.

With A, B, and C, there is potential that there's an ego in play here on the coach's side. New coach comes in and has something to prove. If Christmann is anything like me, he knows what works for him and what doesn't work in terms of practice, drills, etc. You kind of earn that after you go through the program for 3 years. New coach HATES that. He wants full control. Forces Christmann to do it his way or else. If the coach is anything other than C, this can mess with your ENTIRE rhythm/cadence/mindset/health. Which isn't good. Meaning the coach may force everyone to do this drill he saw on YouTube and the guys have to do it for an hour straight. All of the sudden someone tweaks their back or a hammy. Now you're screwed because this coach has no idea what he's doing. Kickers/Punters/Snappers are like pitchers. You simply cannot throw fastballs all day during practice if you want to be successful.

The above is one of many examples that could be at play for #2. Happy to give more examples if need be.

3. Christmann has mailed it in and doesn't care anymore (I HIGHLY doubt this is it).
4. Coach(es) may be intentionally doing this to get everything they can out of Christmann. Which is what you may do during fall camp. Not during game week.

Just my 0.02.
 
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The same thing happened when Croom came in. A lot of those guys on special teams had to adjust to the new coaches and it was my way or the Highway.
 

johnson86-1

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Aug 22, 2012
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New coaching staff means everyone starts over and new guy has a much stronger leg and can Kick Off...

I get this for just about everything but FG and punters. If you've got somebody that has proven they can do it in the games, I'd be extremely hesitant to demote them based on practice as long as they were continuing to do what they had been doing and what they had been doing wasn't slouching.

If Christmann somehow developed the shanks, then sure. If the new guy is just blowing Christman away in practice on distance and beating him on accuracy, then sure. If the new guy is just barely edging CHristmann in practice, I'm not sure I give up his proven game performance based on a slight edge in practice if CHristman's practice still indicates he's going to be extremely accurate 40 and in.
 

Dawgtruc

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Tucker Day went back to his old style last year, and all of a sudden was getting off better punts.
 

Drebin

Heisman
Aug 22, 2012
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Sorry, late to the game guys.

This is news to me that Christmann is #2. I even double checked the depth chart.

My first reaction is, if this is true, it's moronic. Go with the guy that is proven. Coaches (and fans) want to dwell over distance more than anything else. It makes sense to a certain degree but after you bypass the standard distance required (I'd say 40/45 yards for field goals and punts), you've got to place more emphasis on other things when you're picking your starter. Mental. Consistency. Resiliency.

I'll say it for the coaches and experts in the back - IT DOES NOT MATTER THAT SOME KID KICKED A 65 YARD FIELD GOAL IN HIGH SCHOOL, COLLEGE PRACTICE, OR OUT WITH HIS BUDS ONE DAY AND PUT IT ON YOUTUBE.
What does matter is when the lights come on, fans are screaming, ESPN camera in your face, and there's players on the other side of that ball that don't particularly care for your well being, can you perform? You simply do not know until then. There's no way to emulate all of that. So it can kind of be a crap shoot when you have a new guy take the reigns when a senior graduates.

Also, I'm not saying Ruiz isn't a good kicker. He may turn out to be an All American. I hope he does.

Rant Over.

Now a few things that could be at play here. (I have no idea but these are some real things that happen).

1. Leach may have had some hand in recruiting Ruiz. No idea the back story of any of that. (2 kids under 3, job change, and building a house have been kicking my butt)
That's what happened to me with Mullen. He just simply didn't recruit me so by default on I was on the list.

2. There may be a little friction with Christmann and whoever is the coach over the kickers. There is a lot of things at play on this one so I'll try to keep it brief.
a. Sometimes whoever is over the kickers/punters/snappers is a grad assistant that is trying to work their way up to being a position coach.
b. Sometimes it's the special teams coach who has a lot of experience in X's and O's but has no idea how to coach kickers and punters.
c. Sometimes it's a guy that has either kicked/punted/snapped at the collegiate level, or knows exactly how to coach kickers and punters.

With A, B, and C, there is potential that there's an ego in play here on the coach's side. New coach comes in and has something to prove. If Christmann is anything like me, he knows what works for him and what doesn't work in terms of practice, drills, etc. You kind of earn that after you go through the program for 3 years. New coach HATES that. He wants full control. Forces Christmann to do it his way or else. If the coach is anything other than C, this can mess with your ENTIRE rhythm/cadence/mindset/health. Which isn't good. Meaning the coach may force everyone to do this drill he saw on YouTube and the guys have to do it for an hour straight. All of the sudden someone tweaks their back or a hammy. Now you're screwed because this coach has no idea what he's doing. Kickers/Punters/Snappers are like pitchers. You simply cannot throw fastballs all day during practice if you want to be successful.

The above is one of many examples that could be at play for #2. Happy to give more examples if need be.

3. Christmann has mailed it in and doesn't care anymore (I HIGHLY doubt this is it).
4. Coach(es) may be intentionally doing this to get everything they can out of Christmann. Which is what you may do during fall camp. Not during game week.

Just my 0.02.

Ah, what the hell do you know about it?**
 

patdog

Heisman
May 28, 2007
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Thanks for the analysis. Of course, the other possibility is it could be as simple as Christmann has a slight muscle strain or something. Checking the stats for both kickers, they're both money inside 40 yards, with Ruiz actually very slightly better as 26-27 for his career with Christmann at 21-23 and both about 60% from 40-49, again with Ruiz very slightly more accurate. I really don't think either is a wrong choice, but I agree, my personal preference would be Christmann simply because he's kicked at MSU and in the SEC for 3 years.
 

Russ Wheeler

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The same thing happened when Croom came in. A lot of those guys on special teams had to adjust to the new coaches and it was my way or the Highway.
In other words, bad coaches have the "my way or the highway" attitude. At least when it's 100% that way.

In Leach's case, a lot of things on that depth chart didn't make sense, so I'll let the game play out before I judge. But I've never really been a fan of guys who operate this way, these 'system' coaches who only know how to do one thing, especially in college. It can work in places where you have low-level talent, or when it's a total rebuild of a program and you're in it for the long haul.

The only reason I'm optimistic this may work here is that Moorhead had already started the transition to a pass-first offense. I still think we are going to regret letting Ty Keyes go, and moving away from a run-based dual threat QB offense. I hope I'm wrong. Even if this works, I'm betting it's a 4-5 deal at best before Leach retires.
 
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