Has Sweden returned from their summer homes?

[L4Dawg]

Any backup for this statement? According to what I can find, our GDP shrunk by ~32% for the 2nd Qtr 2020. Sweden's shrunk by ~9%. Are you using a different measure than GDP?

Two links as examples, though others tell a similar story:

https://www.bea.gov/news/2020/gross...arter-2020-advance-estimate-and-annual-update
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-5...lockdown,nations which took stricter measures.

There were a ton of articles on it back in june. I'm sure you found something to refute it. What I saw compared them to to Europe. I assumed Europe was similar to us. It seems that was wrong.

 

[L4Dawg]

Not according to this

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Your own link says they do, sheesh.

 

[VegasDawg13]

Your own link says they do, sheesh.

My bad, you're right on this.

 

[L4Dawg]

There were a ton of articles on it back in june. I'm sure you found something to refute it. What I saw compared them to to Europe. I assumed Europe was similar to us. It seems that was wrong.

I need to check again though, your second link doesn't appear to be using an annualized stat, which you are for the US.

 

[L4Dawg]

I need to check again though, your second link doesn't appear to be using an annualized stat, which you are for the US.

I thought so, were you intentionally doing this or was it just a mistake? We are roughly similar although ours is worse. Ours is -9.5% using the same stat as the BBC.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...shrinks-at-record-32-9-pace-in-second-quarter

 

[VegasDawg13]

delete

 

[L4Dawg]

I think I will trust an article from Sweden over your anecdote, thanks.

Humm, it seems I need to check all your "facts". This is literally the first link that popped up when I searched:

https://theculturetrip.com/europe/sweden/articles/why-sweden-takes-so-much-vacation-time/

I WAS wrong, they get 8.2 weeks. It seems that they used to all do what I said. Now I was there in 2013 and I got my information from actual Sweeds then. This article says that is changing.

 

[VegasDawg13]

I thought so, were you intentionally doing this or was it just a mistake? We are roughly similar although ours is worse. Ours is -9.5% using the same stat as the BBC.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...shrinks-at-record-32-9-pace-in-second-quarter

https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/swe...2-vs-q1-better-than-flash-estimate-2020-08-28 Their annualized stat is a decline of 8.2%. Ours is ~32%. Comparing Q2 2020 to Q1 2020 seems useless to me. If that's what the BBC article was doing, then I'm sorry I used that as my example. Their annualized rate happens to be almost the same, though, if that's the case.
ETA: It seems every site uses a different stat that appears the same at first glance. I honestly don't know at this point what is an apples to apples comparison.

 

[VegasDawg13]

Humm, it seems I need to check all your "facts". This is literally the first link that popped up when I searched:

https://theculturetrip.com/europe/sweden/articles/why-sweden-takes-so-much-vacation-time/

I WAS wrong, they get 8.2 weeks. It seems that they used to all do what I said. Now I was there in 2013 and I got my information from actual Sweeds then. This article says that is changing.

That very article says they take 4-5 weeks in the summer, typically in July, which is exactly what the article I posted claimed.

 

[GhostOfJackie]

Did I really just waste 10 minutes of my day reading this thread?

 

[L4Dawg]

That very article says they take 4-5 weeks in the summer, typically in July, which is exactly what the article I posted claimed.

It also says that most did exactly what I said. It said that was changing, as I pointed out.

 

[VegasDawg13]

It also says that most did exactly what I said.

Where does it say that most did exactly what you said? You claimed they take 6 weeks over July and August. That says 4-5 weeks, usually in July.

It said that was changing, as I pointed out.

The way "it's changing," as described in that article, is that they spread their holidays throughout the year now, urban restaurants no longer close down in the summer, etc., which goes directly against your original point that the entirety of the population has been out in the country all summer and is just now coming back to the cities.

 

[VegasDawg13]

Did I really just waste 10 minutes of my day reading this thread?

I swear I make the mistake of getting roped in about twice a year about something and end up regretting it. I don't know how the same people do this **** every day.

 

[Ibdancin]

Sweden is the bomb!

Per million.. the same. No lock downs. No shut downs. They don't mandate masks on public transit even.

 

[Ibdancin]

Cling to it man. Rage on brother!

 

[fishwater99]

Just going by what actual Swedes told me. Perhaps your google knows more than them. They don't all have kids in school you know. I'm out on this till the end of September. By all means bring up again then. If they stay down then I will be very happy to be wrong. That would be very good news.

Did you talk to your Sweden friends this Summer(2020) or is this just random BS from years ago you are spouting off?

 

[Walter White.sixpack]

Did I really just waste 10 minutes of my day reading this thread?

You need to learn to read a little more quickly...

 

[L4Dawg]

Where does it say that most did exactly what you said? You claimed they take 6 weeks over July and August. That says 4-5 weeks, usually in July.


The way "it's changing," as described in that article, is that they spread their holidays throughout the year now, urban restaurants no longer close down in the summer, etc., which goes directly against your original point that the entirety of the population has been out in the country all summer and is just now coming back to the cities.

It said most used to take it all in the summer, but that that is changing. I pointed that out. I told you my info came from talking with Swedes several years ago. Claim victory if you want. It seems I was only a week or two off even though things have changed.

 

[L4Dawg]

Did you talk to your Sweden friends this Summer(2020) or is this just random BS from years ago you are spouting off?

I've already said it was in 2013. Read the thread.

 

[L4Dawg]

https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/swe...2-vs-q1-better-than-flash-estimate-2020-08-28 Their annualized stat is a decline of 8.2%. Ours is ~32%. Comparing Q2 2020 to Q1 2020 seems useless to me. If that's what the BBC article was doing, then I'm sorry I used that as my example. Their annualized rate happens to be almost the same, though, if that's the case.
ETA: It seems every site uses a different stat that appears the same at first glance. I honestly don't know at this point what is an apples to apples comparison.

Your other article was not using annualized stats, and those are not going to be the same by definition. The correct quarter to quarter comparison was US -9.5 and Sweden -8.2.

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

One of you guys that is good with charts, overlay Sweden’s Covid Death chart over Sweden’s New Covid cases Chart.

 

[Captain Ron]

One of you guys that is good with charts, overlay Sweden’s Covid Death chart over Sweden’s New Covid cases Chart.

The cases are going to be a little skewed since they (like most of us) lacked widespread testing capability early on. This chart showing ICU bed usage is a pretty good indicator of what the cases were like. (On a relative basis)

Thar little bar to the far right (today) is 14 in ICU.View attachment 17548

IHME and other models all showed them with about 1/4 of the ICU beds needed.

 

[8dog]

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[L4Dawg]

I'll revisit this at the end of September. If you guys wind up being right then that is a VERY good thing. If I wind up being right then that is a very bad thing. I hope you are right.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

I'll revisit this at the end of September. If you guys wind up being right then that is a VERY good thing. If wind up being right then that is a very bad thing. I hope you ar right.

You should change your name to Coronabro34.

 

[L4Dawg]

You should change your name to Coronabro34.

He would never admit that he wasn't right or that that might be a good thing, even if the numbers showed it. This will be pretty cut and dry at the end of September. If their cases stay down then y'all are correct that it is probably on the down side of the outbreak for them. I hope you are.

 

[paindonthurt_]

So you are wrong BUT you are right?

 

[paindonthurt_]

CB34, Can you admit You were wrong abt school starting back and vacation?

Wrong in 2020.

Of course not for 2013.

 

[J-Dawg]

I hope you are right.

No you don't, or else you wouldn't be front and center in every. single. thread.

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

I talked to a school administrator last night... with Strep starting to kick in, it looks like the state will have anyone that is sick with Step, Sinus infection, tonsillitis, etc treated as a possible Covid with quarantine... I’m sure those will be counted as Covid cases as well.

 

[johnson86-1]

Nobody did, including us. I don't know why you are trying to minimize it. That is exactly what proponents of the herd immunity argument are calling for, whether they know it or not. You are not going to keep it out of nursing homes forever no matter what you do. The only way you could do it is place all the people who work there in a bubble with the patients and not let them out. That isn't feasible and you would still have to have delivers and medical transfers both in and out. We had fearsome nursing home outbreaks in my area very early on; many, many dead. They got them contained and then eliminated for a while by taking draconian steps. It came back and remains at a lower level, and is still killing. They never let up on the draconian steps. If there is spread in the community it WILL get into nursing homes. We won't even get into the vulnerable who are still working members of the community. The only way to protect the vulnerable is to limit community spread as much as possible. The idea that we can somehow build a fence around those people while the rest of us can carry on like we did in 1919 is a non-starter. This is NOT arguing for lockdowns. We can't do that forever. We can mask up, be smart, distance, and take the vaccine as soon as we are able. Hopefully we can find a sure fire treatment eventually, but that is a slim hope and one that will take a lot longer than a vaccine.

Then why are you wanting to inflict a bunch of human misery for something you can't prevent?

And it's not true that nobody protected the vulnerable. You can't prevent a respiratory virus as contagious as covid from spreading, but you can do better or worse. Some states, such as New York, basically mandated death for nursing home residents. Others just allowed it to happen. Some actually protected them. That is largely what is driving the differences in death rates at this point, along with health of population and how soon significant exposure was. Maybe the nursing home factor will all balance out in the end as you can't feasibly stop that spread. Or maybe we'll find that there is enough cross immunity from other coronaviruses that the states that protected their nursing homes will see a lower covid death rate (although their non-covid mortality will be relatively worse).

 

[mstateglfr]

I talked to a school administrator last night... with Strep starting to kick in, it looks like the state will have anyone that is sick with Step, Sinus infection, tonsillitis, etc treated as a possible Covid with quarantine... I’m sure those will be counted as Covid cases as well.

Well that would be quite dishonest.