Covid...couple in Birmingham

[thatsbaseball]

Both 70ish. Became symptomatic 23 days ago and have just about totally recovered (his case was a little worse than hers). Have been able to stay at home and ride it out. They both feel good and consider themselves "well" BUT they are still testing positive. Between the 2 they have been tested 5 times (2 for her 3 for him)...all positive. She told my wife a few minutes ago that she asked were their tests considered as 5 tests for 2 individuals being tested multiple times or 5 different positive tests. She was told they counted as 5 different positive tests period. Wonder how much of this is going on ?

 

[msstate7]

Dobbs says they aren't here. I do wonder how you distinguish between the 2 with absolute certainty.

 

[MrKotter]

Both 70ish. Became symptomatic 23 days ago and have just about totally recovered (his case was a little worse than hers). Have been able to stay at home and ride it out. They both feel good and consider themselves "well" BUT they are still testing positive. Between the 2 they have been tested 5 times (2 for her 3 for him)...all positive. She told my wife a few minutes ago that she asked were their tests considered as 5 tests for 2 individuals being tested multiple times or 5 different positive tests. She was told they counted as 5 different positive tests period. Wonder how much of this is going on ?

This is how the CDC has been counting it according to their website as of last week.

 

[RocketDawg]

You'd think that kind of data would be straightforward to keep up with, given our computer technology level.

 

[msstate7]

You'd think that kind of data would be straightforward to keep up with, given our computer technology level.

Florida couldn't keep up with who they actually tested, but we know exactly who was tested and how many times. Maybe we are just that more sophisticated than Florida.

 

[SirBarksalot]

Both 70ish. Became symptomatic 23 days ago and have just about totally recovered (his case was a little worse than hers). Have been able to stay at home and ride it out. They both feel good and consider themselves "well" BUT they are still testing positive. Between the 2 they have been tested 5 times (2 for her 3 for him)...all positive. She told my wife a few minutes ago that she asked were their tests considered as 5 tests for 2 individuals being tested multiple times or 5 different positive tests. She was told they counted as 5 different positive tests period. Wonder how much of this is going on ?

Does it matter to the 150,000 dead?
Or are they counting them twice as well?**

Btw there’s plenty of articles on this..
https://wlos.com/news/news-13-inves...recorded-if-a-person-is-tested-more-than-once

 

[thatsbaseball]

Sure it matters but I would just prefer the real numbers across the board.

 

[Raiderdawg.sixpack]

Both 70ish. Became symptomatic 23 days ago and have just about totally recovered (his case was a little worse than hers). Have been able to stay at home and ride it out. They both feel good and consider themselves "well" BUT they are still testing positive. Between the 2 they have been tested 5 times (2 for her 3 for him)...all positive. She told my wife a few minutes ago that she asked were their tests considered as 5 tests for 2 individuals being tested multiple times or 5 different positive tests. She was told they counted as 5 different positive tests period. Wonder how much of this is going on ?

The CDC tracks both, number of cases and number of positive tests per tests given. They have 2 different websites for each. If I was better with my phone, I would link to the different pages.

Today, the test tracking is at over 5 million positives and the case number is at 4.6 million.

 

[thatsbaseball]

Yea I was just reporting what we were told...I haven't attempted to keep up with the details of the various reports are put together...just been watching the numbers.

 

[MrKotter]

Does it matter to the 150,000 dead?
Or are they counting them twice as well?**

Btw there’s plenty of articles on this..
https://wlos.com/news/news-13-inves...recorded-if-a-person-is-tested-more-than-once

Are the car wreck and gun shot victims included in that 150k like in FL?

 

[SirBarksalot]

Are the car wreck and gun shot victims included in that 150k like in FL?

With/from...

How many of those is there?

 

[57stratdawg]

ITS ALL A HOAX!!!1!1!1!1!1!!!!

 

[RocketDawg]

ITS ALL A HOAX!!!1!1!1!1!1!!!!

Well, of course. We all know that!

 

[Dog316]

At this point is obvious to me that most people have their minds made up about the virus. Either it is serious or it is silly. No need to attempt to change anyone’s opinion via the message board it is a complete waste of time.

 

[msstate7]

At this point is obvious to me that most people have their minds made up about the virus. Either it is serious or it is silly. No need to attempt to change anyone’s opinion via the message board it is a complete waste of time.

I think you can see it's serious, but at the same time we can do some major damage to this country and people of this country trying to deal with.

 

[Jeffreauxdawg]

Are cases being double counted? Sure. Not because anyone is too stupid to understand that this would skew the data. Equally not because local and state bureaucrats are up to anything nefarious. Likely because we would be foolish to think anyone in government is capable of doing anything with 100% accuracy.

 

[msstate7]

Are cases being double counted? Sure. Not because anyone is too stupid to understand that this would skew the data. Equally not because local and state bureaucrats are up to anything nefarious. Likely because we would be foolish to think anyone in government is capable of doing anything with 100% accuracy.

I agree with this. Dobbs stated that there were no re-tests counted as new tests though with 100% accuracy. I thought that an extremely arrogant statement that's almost certainly not the case... still though, it doesn't affect the overall picture.

 

[RocketDawg]

At this point is obvious to me that most people have their minds made up about the virus. Either it is serious or it is silly. No need to attempt to change anyone’s opinion via the message board it is a complete waste of time.

At this point, I don't see how anybody could think it's not serious. I suppose they have their reasons though.

 

[ckDOG]

My wife has tested several times as a front line worker

Both 70ish. Became symptomatic 23 days ago and have just about totally recovered (his case was a little worse than hers). Have been able to stay at home and ride it out. They both feel good and consider themselves "well" BUT they are still testing positive. Between the 2 they have been tested 5 times (2 for her 3 for him)...all positive. She told my wife a few minutes ago that she asked were their tests considered as 5 tests for 2 individuals being tested multiple times or 5 different positive tests. She was told they counted as 5 different positive tests period. Wonder how much of this is going on ?

Negative every time. No reason to have expected positive, but she's influencing the negative each and every time.

Works both ways. These things cancel each other out for the most part over the larger population.

 

[RocketDawg]

Daily reports are for "new cases" so repeated positives shouldn't count but once, unless somebody catches it twice.

 

[L4Dawg]

Both 70ish. Became symptomatic 23 days ago and have just about totally recovered (his case was a little worse than hers). Have been able to stay at home and ride it out. They both feel good and consider themselves "well" BUT they are still testing positive. Between the 2 they have been tested 5 times (2 for her 3 for him)...all positive. She told my wife a few minutes ago that she asked were their tests considered as 5 tests for 2 individuals being tested multiple times or 5 different positive tests. She was told they counted as 5 different positive tests period. Wonder how much of this is going on ?

Why are you deliberately spreading false information?

 

[ckDOG]

Of course. That's the pristine stat

Daily reports are for "new cases" so repeated positives shouldn't count but once, unless somebody catches it twice.

But folks are zeroing in on the positivity rates now. If you got folks getting tested that you really have no reason to believe to be positive getting tested repeatedly, their negatives are offsetting duplicate positives. Influence is working both ways. It's not perfect either way, but I don't think the overall takeaways from the testing results are being distorted in the wrong direction

 

[thatsbaseball]

I'm spreading what the medical personnel in Birmingham told them VERBATIM. Why are you such a dick ?

 

[HailStout]

Both 70ish. Became symptomatic 23 days ago and have just about totally recovered (his case was a little worse than hers). Have been able to stay at home and ride it out. They both feel good and consider themselves "well" BUT they are still testing positive. Between the 2 they have been tested 5 times (2 for her 3 for him)...all positive. She told my wife a few minutes ago that she asked were their tests considered as 5 tests for 2 individuals being tested multiple times or 5 different positive tests. She was told they counted as 5 different positive tests period. Wonder how much of this is going on ?

I will bite. So let’s say this is true. That means the mortality rate is higher and COVID is worse than we thought.

 

[L4Dawg]

I'm spreading what the medical personnel in Birmingham told them VERBATIM. Why are you such a dick ?

So they know how the state counts then? Why can't you think for yourself? That particular bit of misinformation has been rebutted time and time again, but people still repeat it out of fear.

 

[ezsoil]

Both 70ish. Became symptomatic 23 days ago and have just about totally recovered (his case was a little worse than hers). Have been able to stay at home and ride it out. They both feel good and consider themselves "well" BUT they are still testing positive. Between the 2 they have been tested 5 times (2 for her 3 for him)...all positive. She told my wife a few minutes ago that she asked were their tests considered as 5 tests for 2 individuals being tested multiple times or 5 different positive tests. She was told they counted as 5 different positive tests period. Wonder how much of this is going on ?

my wife had It explained in her weekly Houston Area emergency response team updates. There is no way to tie a positive test to a specific record if there is not a doctor's office or hospital managing the patient file. The number of positive tests are being reported by the testing facilities and they have no way of tying to a specific patient file. A single person could be tested by several different facilities and each positive test would be considered a "case"

 

[Jeffreauxdawg]

my wife had It explained in her weekly Houston Area emergency response team updates. There is no way to tie a positive test to a specific record if there is not a doctor's office or hospital managing the patient file. The number of positive tests are being reported by the testing facilities and they have no way of tying to a specific patient file. A single person could be tested by several different facilities and each positive test would be considered a "case"

That is not accurate. The testing data is being recorded by name, address, and date of birth to Texas Health Trace. It's then sent back to the counties to be cross checked again. Duplicates are identified and not double counted. Though I am sure errors are made, it's minimal.

Here's a screenshot of a local county identifying duplicates in their spreadsheet.

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Here's a link to an article from NBC DFW debunking it.

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/coronavirus/how-are-covid-19-numbers-collected-and-are-they-duplicated/2416120/

Above is a video from an Austin TV station addressing it.


I am not doubting what your wife was told, just the accuracy. Do they screw it up... Sure. How much? I don't know. The bigger issue is the accuracy at a county level. When addresses are collected from test takers it may or may not include a county. So in Houston, Harris county is ending up with Fort Bend or Montgomery county cases attributed to it by the state.

There is confusion over permanent residency. If you are in Mississippi and test positive, but live in Texas... Where does it get recorded.

But overall, double counting for a single person taking multiple tests is not being overlooked. It may be getting fouled up.

 

[Raiderdawg.sixpack]

Why are you deliberately spreading false information?

I completely believe thatsbaseball. There are 2 different data sets.

There is the case set. Every positive case that gets reported to the state should have the patient’s info in it. The state/territory should QA/QC to remove repeats and the CDC does the same. That’s the case count. They use this data set to estimate death rates and for any contact tracing.

Then there is the test positive data set. They use this to measure the number of positive against those tested in an area. That’s what he is describing. They completely understand the same person may be in that database multiple times. The goal of the test database is to determine the positive test rate in an area at a given time.

They use both data sets for different reasons. One they try to remove repeat positives and one they don’t.

That’s why they have a case website and a positive test website. That’s why there is 400-500k difference in numbers between the 2 data sets.

 

[Eleven Bravo]

It (the virus) isn’t a joke, or a hoax or silly if you’ve had it. Speaking from experience. Up until the time I got sick I didn’t take it seriously. My mind has been changed.

 

[mstateglfr]

I think you can see it's serious, but at the same time we can do some major damage to this country and people of this country trying to deal with.

Posters continually dismiss or reduce the seriousness of this pandemic. Its a daily thing. Each day there are posts that, to me, are intended to chip away at the narrative that this is a serious issue.
In this very thread, it was asked if gun deaths are still counted in COVID numbers which is a clear attempt to discredit the numbers outright. Fly-by comments like that serve no purpose other than to cheapen the seriousness of this pandemic.

 

[J-Dawg]

Dobbs says they aren't here. I do wonder how you distinguish between the 2 with absolute certainty.

And Dobbs is wrong, according to multiple docs/nurses in the Jxn area who are actually treating/testing COVID patients.

 

[mcdawg22]

At this point is obvious to me that most people have their minds made up about the virus. Either it is serious or it is silly. No need to attempt to change anyone’s opinion via the message board it is a complete waste of time.

I don’t think you know how a sports message board with no sports works.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

Both 70ish. Became symptomatic 23 days ago and have just about totally recovered (his case was a little worse than hers). Have been able to stay at home and ride it out. They both feel good and consider themselves "well" BUT they are still testing positive. Between the 2 they have been tested 5 times (2 for her 3 for him)...all positive. She told my wife a few minutes ago that she asked were their tests considered as 5 tests for 2 individuals being tested multiple times or 5 different positive tests. She was told they counted as 5 different positive tests period. Wonder how much of this is going on ?

According to my wife who is a nurse, this is the reason she said we should not quake in our shoes evertime we hear case numbers. She said death numbers are skewed the same in the retirement homes like she works in because someone who its positive and who dies from another issue that wasn't affected by the virus will still be counted as a virus death.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

ITS ALL A HOAX!!!1!1!1!1!1!!!!

Yep and it all will disappear when Biden gets elected and Hillary is acquitted.********

 

[thatsbaseball]

The biggest thing to me , being a little "long in the tooth" as I am, is hearing folks this age making it through the disease without having to be hospitalized. These people were basically healthy but not health freaks by any means.

 

[Hankp22]

For the record

In this hypothetical example, if we count one person each time they test positive as another case, then you have to ask yourself how many of our "known" cases are the result of an individual person getting counted multiple times.

What does that do to the death rate? If we count one person multiple times, then it drives up the number of cases. Therefore, the current reported death rate is actually lower than it should be if you only counted each individual that tested positive multiple times as only one case.

I think everyone can agree that it would be great if we could just get straight forward truth.

Sorry to edit multiple times...the if then scenarios have made me dizzy.

 

[Raiderdawg.sixpack]

This should not happen.

There’s 2 types of testing scenarios.

De-identified and identified. If a site does a de-identified test (I.e. no patient information), they are not supposed to report those results to the state/territory.

If a site does an identified test, they are supposed to report those test results to the state regardless of the result every time. The states are responsible for de-identifying the results and reporting cases and test results.

So let’s say I get tested and I am positive. The state gets my info and reports a new case and positive test. A week later, I test positive again and that gets reported to the state. The state database should see I am already in it, so for that day the report a positive test result, but not a new case.


No matter how many times a person tests positive, they are only reported as 1 case with however many test results unless the state screws up.

 

[Hankp22]

Yep

This should not happen.

There’s 2 types of testing scenarios.

De-identified and identified. If a site does a de-identified test (I.e. no patient information), they are not supposed to report those results to the state/territory.

If a site does an identified test, they are supposed to report those test results to the state regardless of the result every time. The states are responsible for de-identifying the results and reporting cases and test results.

So let’s say I get tested and I am positive. The state gets my info and reports a new case and positive test. A week later, I test positive again and that gets reported to the state. The state database should see I am already in it, so for that day the report a positive test result, but not a new case.


No matter how many times a person tests positive, they are only reported as 1 case with however many test results unless the state screws up.

That would be my belief/hope too.

And I trust the data from someone like Dr. Dobbs more than I do anecdotal information.

My point was to illustrate that if one person was counted positive multiple times, then the actual death rate per each individual would be a good bit higher if you eliminated the inflated numbers of subsequent positive results of that individual. This is an assumption here, but I'd imagine most positive people are required to be tested multiple times until theh produce a negative result....especially if employed.

Its evident our information streams are coming from many angles. And personally, I find the multiple information contradictions pretty chilling.