The Greenville school district has cancelled...

[L4Dawg]

all fall sports.

 

[SyonaraStanz]

Those poor kids.

 

[Cooterpoot]

The districts with higher levels of minorities are making this call too fast. It's just not good. They'll probably go virtual next and that creates a compound problem.

 

[Uncle Ruckus]

Lots of district are pushing back start dates or going virtual. Bay-waveland just announced a delayed start and moss point is going all virtual. Meanwhile, Harrison County (west Harrison, D’Iberville and Harrison Central) is not offering an online model. In person only. Gulfport mayor and councilmen wrote a letter to the gulfport superintendent today to wave out of district fees so the Harrison County students can do virtual at Gulfport if they want to and not pay $1500 for being out of district. In other words, Gulfport is about to openly recruit Justin Walley, Jacobi Moore, and every other big time athlete out of Harrison school district

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Their semester starts August 10– basically a week and a half. They’re giving the kids and adults time to be ready.

While I can certainly see the benefits of a delayed start, you’ll have a lot of people who’ll react accordingly— that is, delayed start = delayed action which I don’t think is a good idea either.

You’re going to have teachers who will prefer virtual. I know one who is immunocompromised and has doctor’s orders not to teach face-to-face. So that person has all online classes this fall.

Edit to note: This teacher is in higher ed and not in the Greenville school district.

 

[EagleDawg97]

On the schools opening or not question it’s really simple to me. Is the education of our children essential or not? In what world is a builders supply or a bakery essential and education is not?

 

[L4Dawg]

On the schools opening or not question it’s really simple to me. Is the education of our children essential or not? In what world is a builders supply or a bakery essential and education is not?

Nobody is talking about shutting down the schools forever. You can make it a little while without schools, esp if you have a remote option and take a hand yourself. It's kind of hard to do without food and shelter.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Agreed. You got to have the horse before the cart.

 

[johnson86-1]

Nobody is talking about shutting down the schools forever. You can make it a little while without schools, esp if you have a remote option and take a hand yourself. It's kind of hard to do without food and shelter.

They've had since April to prepare for this. If they aren't prepared yet, another month isn't going to make a difference. If they really need to shut down a month at this point, it would take a pretty good story to convince me the superintendent and possibly principals don't need to be fired.

 

[mstateglfr]

Lots of district are pushing back start dates or going virtual. Bay-waveland just announced a delayed start and moss point is going all virtual. Meanwhile, Harrison County (west Harrison, D’Iberville and Harrison Central) is not offering an online model. In person only. Gulfport mayor and councilmen wrote a letter to the gulfport superintendent today to wave out of district fees so the Harrison County students can do virtual at Gulfport if they want to and not pay $1500 for being out of district. In other words, Gulfport is about to openly recruit Justin Walley, Jacobi Moore, and every other big time athlete out of Harrison school district

Are they openly recruiting a few select athletes? Or are they opening their doors to accommodate families who are looking for an alternative education and just happen to live on the other side of an arbitrarily drawn line?

 

[mstateglfr]

On the schools opening or not question it’s really simple to me. Is the education of our children essential or not? In what world is a builders supply or a bakery essential and education is not?

When you phrase the question in this way, i agree.

But you phrased it in an absurdly slanted way that is disingenuous at best.
Here are some comments in response to your poorly worded question...

- We can all choose to frequent a bakery or home improvement store. If anyone doesn't want to due to concern, they can stay home or choose to go during typically quiet hours.
That isnt possible for forced in school learning. Kids must attend without being able to opt out due to concern/family.

- in person schooling isn't the only way kids can learn. Virtual/remote learning is absolutely possible. It isnt an ideal situation in my eyes, but none of this is ideal. Kids can still learn in a remote environment. They can still have assistance. They can still be tutored.
It isnt ideal for some, but it'll actually be more ideal for others.
There is no 1 best way for all to learn. While in person learning captures more kids who benefit from that style, remote can still be effective overall.

- your question is phraaed as a false choice. Its lazy. Do better if you want to have genuine discussion.

 

[EagleDawg97]

Ok for the sake of genuine discussion, how much do you know about Greenville, MS? Do you honestly think that the utopia web based education solution you describe can work well in Greenville, MS?

Can kids get some very basic general education via phone, sketchy internet, mailed out packets? I would say yes, some very basic form or what you would call education can occur. Will that be significantly less of an educational product for kids who already have the deck stacked against them, absolutely it will.

If we care about our children we will make sure classroom learning is an option for them. If a kids parents have the means to support online learning, provide that as an option.

Also, I think your logic is flawed. You have the choice to go to Home Depot or not right? Do you not have the choice to bring your kids home and homeschool them also? I can bake my own baked goods with online ordered supplies, I can make my own lumber by falling trees on my property and transporting them to a local sawmill, and I can homeschool my kids. All of those task are difficult and time consuming, but available to most all Americans.

 

[SyonaraStanz]

Ok for the sake of general discussion, how much do you know about Greenville, MS? Do you honestly think that the utopia web based education solution you describe can work well in Greenville, MS?

Can kids get some very basic general education via phone, sketchy internet, mailed out packets? I would say yes, some very basic form or what you would call education can occur. Will that be significantly less of an education product for kids who already have the deck stacked against them, absolutely it will.

If we care about our children we will make sure classroom learning is an option for them. If a kids parents have great the means to support online learning, provide that as an option.

This. I have a cousin in the Greenville public school district; high school, I think. I asked how he liked doing school work remotely. He said he didn't do much of any work, and the whole school received passing grades. Sounds like a recipe for success.***

My daughter is going from first to second grade. She should be reading at a higher level than she is, thanks to homeschooling from two parents who work. She's going back to the classroom, thank God, but if she wasn't, she'd greatly suffer. Funny thing is I have a son in daycare - you know a place where viruses and germs are shared much more greatly - and they've been trucking along for a couple months with no issues. Yet everyone's freaking out about going back to school.

 

[Uncle Ruckus]

They've had since April to prepare for this. If they aren't prepared yet, another month isn't going to make a difference. If they really need to shut down a month at this point, it would take a pretty good story to convince me the superintendent and possibly principals don't need to be fired.

it has nothing to do with them thinking things will change in a month. it has 100% to do with the fact our governor or department of ed has given no instruction, advice, suggestions, whatsoever on how to handle things. when reeves was asked about this his response was "these are the same people who have been telling me for years to stay away and stay out of their business. now they call and ask me to make these decisions for him." these schools are waiting/hoping the governor does something, whether it's order everyone to virtual, hybrid, something. no superintendent wants to be the school to have someone die because their doors were open and others were closed. i'm all for small government, but it cases of a world crisis, sometimes they need to step in and take over

 

[Uncle Ruckus]

they all passed because that is what MDE told us to do. if you had a student not complete any work or attempt to do anything whatsoever, they received an incomplete. not a failure. if a kid tried in the least bit to do their work, even if it was a joke of an effort, the lowest grade you could give was a 65

 

[mstateglfr]

Ok for the sake of genuine discussion, how much do you know about Greenville, MS? Do you honestly think that the utopia web based education solution you describe can work well in Greenville, MS?

Can kids get some very basic general education via phone, sketchy internet, mailed out packets? I would say yes, some very basic form or what you would call education can occur. Will that be significantly less of an educational product for kids who already have the deck stacked against them, absolutely it will.

If we care about our children we will make sure classroom learning is an option for them. If a kids parents have the means to support online learning, provide that as an option.

Also, I think your logic is flawed. You have the choice to go to Home Depot or not right? Do you not have the choice to bring your kids home and homeschool them also? I can bake my own baked goods with online ordered supplies, I can make my own lumber by falling trees on my property and transporting them to a local sawmill, and I can homeschool my kids. All of those task are difficult and time consuming, but available to most all Americans.

I dont disagree with what you are saying here.

I simply disagree with your view that education must be in person for kids to learn.
As I already said, some students will learn best if in person. Meanwhile, some will excel by learning remotely for a few different reasons.

I fully want schools to be open, even though we are having ours learn remotely. Our decision was based on the style of them learning and the amount of infrastructure assistance that will be available for the two types of learning.

This **** has the potential to really educationally crush a generation. I cut imagi e how difficult it'll be for families where both parents work outside the home, or where an older sibling cares for a younger sibling each day, or where school is the one place that is safe and stable for a child.

 

[johnson86-1]

it has nothing to do with them thinking things will change in a month. it has 100% to do with the fact our governor or department of ed has given no instruction, advice, suggestions, whatsoever on how to handle things. when reeves was asked about this his response was "these are the same people who have been telling me for years to stay away and stay out of their business. now they call and ask me to make these decisions for him." these schools are waiting/hoping the governor does something, whether it's order everyone to virtual, hybrid, something. no superintendent wants to be the school to have someone die because their doors were open and others were closed. i'm all for small government, but it cases of a world crisis, sometimes they need to step in and take over

IF they need the governor or department of education to make the decision for them, we certianly don't need superintendents getting paid six figures. It would be ridiculous for Tate to try to override the local knowledge of the different school districts. We have local schools districts that are in theory responsible and accountable to the local population. I think everybody with any argument that they are an expert has made it clear that schools should be held in person. If they are looking for Tate to make a decision for them, it's not because he has access to any information he doesn't; they are either being cowardly and want someone to point a finger out, or they are being cynical and know what the obvious answer is and just want to blame him when there is inevitably an outbreak.

 

[Uncle Ruckus]

Why can’t it be both?

 

[DawgNsuds]

What happened to the moniker "Listen to the experts"?

Have not seen one person with even an ounce of credentials say we should not have school on the campuses. Just the opposite, everyone has said, get them in the classroom.

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Director Robert Redfield said Thursday that the health risks of keeping schools closed are greater than those of opening them, amid a push by President Trump to have students in classrooms this fall.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthca...losed-poses-greater-health-threat-to-children

 

[mstateglfr]

IF they need the governor or department of education to make the decision for them, we certianly don't need superintendents getting paid six figures. It would be ridiculous for Tate to try to override the local knowledge of the different school districts. We have local schools districts that are in theory responsible and accountable to the local population. I think everybody with any argument that they are an expert has made it clear that schools should be held in person. If they are looking for Tate to make a decision for them, it's not because he has access to any information he doesn't; they are either being cowardly and want someone to point a finger out, or they are being cynical and know what the obvious answer is and just want to blame him when there is inevitably an outbreak.

Interesting take.

In my state, since multiple superintendents viewed the Republican governor's office's guidance as less than helpful, they went ahead and declared how their district would accommodate learning in the fall.
The governor then scrambled and declared all schools must be in person with an exception only from the dept of ed.

So when the governor's office doesn't provide guidance, districts do their thing, and then find out their thing isn't OK by the governor who didn't help when asked.

Round and round we go.


The latest is that the WHO says schools should close i an area with 5% outbreak. The CDV announced they think it should be 10% outbreak.
Our governor declared it needs to be at 20% outbreak.

Whats is that based on? Who the 17 knows.


Point being- of course districts and sups want guidance from experts. But when it doesnt come due to politics or whatever other reason, perhaps its best to have not asked in the first place because you then don't have to deal with some absurd ****.