Draw your own conclusions....

[J-Dawg]

Brother-in-law is a clinic manager. They have started testing for COVID. Today they opened three test kits with gloves and PPE on, and ran them without ever using them. All 3 came back as positive tests. Three unused, untainted swabs and all showed positive.

This is a first hand account. Not the first time I’ve heard of this happening either.

Not sure why we continue to hang on to every daily positive count when the methods of testing are so unreliable.

 

[jethreauxdawg]

He must not have been wearing a mask

Nm

 

[IrondawgDMD]

My office manager today got an email saying that she tested positive.

She’s never taken a test!

What the hell is going on?

 

[57stratdawg]

Okay, but hospitalization rates are starting to climb in hot spot areas. That’s a major issue.

 

[messageboardsuperhero]

Okay, but hospitalization rates are starting to climb in hot spot areas. That’s a major issue.

What they don’t tell you about hospitalizations though, is hospitals are testing a lot of people that are there for other reasons, like scheduled surgeries/procedures. If those people come back positive, it goes down as a positive COVID hospitalization- even though a lot of these people are asymptomatic and are not even in the hospital for that reason.

I am much more interested in deaths and ICU numbers.

 

[J-Dawg]

What they don’t tell you about hospitalizations though, is hospitals are testing a lot of people that are there for other reasons, like scheduled surgeries/procedures. If those people come back positive, it goes down as a positive COVID hospitalization- even though a lot of these people are asymptomatic and are not even in the hospital for that reason.

I am much more interested in deaths and ICU numbers.

Very true. My mother just got out of hospital from a 2-week stay with another issue. Was tested for COVID, much against her will. Hospital was testing everyone, regardless of why they were in. This was at a semi-rural MS hospital.

 

[L4Dawg]

https://www.cnet.com/news/living-wi...vid-19-through-the-eyes-of-a-pandemic-expert/

 

[TheStateUofMS]

That's a good one.

 

[Raiderdawg.sixpack]

This does not surprise me. There are some highly questionable tests with EUAs right now. I mean just poor quality in initial validation and design. Hopefully your BnL contacted the manufacturer and reported the info to the FDA, especially if the kit was sold on an EUA. Sampling is already an issue for this virus, it gets complicated with terrible test kits.

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

https://www.cnet.com/news/living-wi...vid-19-through-the-eyes-of-a-pandemic-expert/

But Fauci said a vaccine was coming most likely first of next year****

 

[jethreauxdawg]

Raiderdawg

Why does the covid test swab have to go so far up someone’s nose to collect a sample, but the disease can easily be spread via someone’s spittle? Not trying to highjack the thread, honestly curious why the test has to be so invasive.

 

[GloryDawg]

What they don’t tell you about hospitalizations though, is hospitals are testing a lot of people that are there for other reasons, like scheduled surgeries/procedures. If those people come back positive, it goes down as a positive COVID hospitalization- even though a lot of these people are asymptomatic and are not even in the hospital for that reason.

I am much more interested in deaths and ICU numbers.

My uncle was in a coma three days. He has Pneumonia and the coma was caused by fluid on his brain. He is awake and is doing better. The doctors never claimed him to have Covid 19. I'm pretty sure he was tested. Now my brother was in ICU for about 5 days with covid. He tested positive.

 

[Raiderdawg.sixpack]

Why does the covid test swab have to go so far up someone’s nose to collect a sample, but the disease can easily be spread via someone’s spittle? Not trying to highjack the thread, honestly curious why the test has to be so invasive.

Depending on the person and stage of infection, the viral load may differ a lot. Some may be so “hot” you could detect in saliva or just inside the nostrils. Others may have very little virus in their upper respiratory system when tested. Sampling everyone so deep in your nostril gives the best chance detection for those with low viral load at test time and, theoretically, should cut down on false negatives.

 

[HailStout]

What they don’t tell you about hospitalizations though, is hospitals are testing a lot of people that are there for other reasons, like scheduled surgeries/procedures. If those people come back positive, it goes down as a positive COVID hospitalization- even though a lot of these people are asymptomatic and are not even in the hospital for that reason.

I am much more interested in deaths and ICU numbers.

Not true at the hospitals I work at. Outpatient procedures are required to be screened for COVID and the procedures are cancelled if they are posturing. The only hospital admissions that are checked for COVID are the ones that we think may have it. If you have a pending COVID test you have to go to the COVID floor until the result comes back negative. It would be impossible to handle that many COVID isolated patients on the wards.

 

[Jeffreauxdawg]

I knew some guys that were going to detain a whole village of men, women, and children in Iraq because they all swabbed positive for gunpowder residue. They wanted to take em all in by the bus load for making IED's... Even the kids.

Finally someone wised up someone realized the two or three guys doing the swabbing were .50 call gunners wearing the same nasty *** body armor they always wore. And let's just say that the .50 cal blows alot of smoke when she fires and they covered.

Turns out the whole village was completely clean.

 

[StillTbonewannabe]

My wife tested negative but 6 out of 15 in her office have symptoms. 4 have positive tests with others waiting on results. One guy had inconclusive but has symptoms so waiting on a second test.

 

[Lurker.sixpack]

From what I was told by my doctor, the instant result test is only accurate 60% of the time. The test I took was sent off and took 7 days to get the results and it had a +90% rate of accuracy. Now I have no clue how these eff rates are achieved or who published them, just quoting my doctor that seemed pretty versed in the procedures and types of tests available.

Having been positive and spending 2 weeks feeling pretty rough, I can attest to all it sucked pretty dang bad! I’m 4 weeks out from my diagnosis and still feel like my lungs are weak and I’ve yet to get my sense of smell back..
My wife and 3 kids all had it as well and did not have near as bad the symptoms I did, thankfully. Maybe 3-4 days of random symptoms.

My apologizes for the brief hijack or being too off base from the original message.
Hope everyone is being safe and taking the precautions to to limit your risk in contracting. I highly suggest it!

 

[paindonthurt_]

May 4 was my onset of symptoms.
I’d say I’m back to 90% on taste and smell. Still some issues but definitely way better.

I don’t know if I still have some lung issues or if I’m just out of shape now, but I can tell a difference when I run.

Still can handle 5 or 6 miles easily but having a hard time running a 7:45 mile.
A year ago I could run a 6:30 mile. I wouldn’t say it was easy but I could do it and know ahead of time I’d beat a 6:30 mark.

 

[dog12]

Brother-in-law is a clinic manager. They have started testing for COVID. Today they opened three test kits with gloves and PPE on, and ran them without ever using them. All 3 came back as positive tests. Three unused, untainted swabs and all showed positive.

This is a first hand account. Not the first time I’ve heard of this happening either.

Not sure why we continue to hang on to every daily positive count when the methods of testing are so unreliable.

Agree.

As demonstrated in your post, the test kits being used to determine whether a person has the virus are defective.

Thus, the numbers of positive virus cases are wrong and cannot be trusted.

The data being collected and compiled for this virus are suspect . . . and that's putting it mildly.

I could have said the data being collected and compiled for this virus are total 17ing BS.

 

[dog12]

This does not surprise me. There are some highly questionable tests with EUAs right now. I mean just poor quality in initial validation and design. Hopefully your BnL contacted the manufacturer and reported the info to the FDA, especially if the kit was sold on an EUA. Sampling is already an issue for this virus, it gets complicated with terrible test kits.

So . . . there are at least two major problems with the data collected about the numbers of people that have the virus:
1 - the test kits are defective and give false results; and
2 - the sampling method(s).

Thus, why should we believe any report of the numbers of people that have the virus?

 

[jethreauxdawg]

Makes sense

Thanks.

 

[dog12]

Not true at the hospitals I work at. Outpatient procedures are required to be screened for COVID and the procedures are cancelled if they are posturing. The only hospital admissions that are checked for COVID are the ones that we think may have it. If you have a pending COVID test you have to go to the COVID floor until the result comes back negative. It would be impossible to handle that many COVID isolated patients on the wards.

Okay . . . so different hospitals handle the various issues raised by the virus differently. (There are no standard procedures for handling the various issues.)

That's understandable, because the virus first infected humans only 7-8 months ago.

We simply do not currently have enough knowledge and experience to handle the various issues raised by this virus most efficiently and effectively.

It will take time (years?) to fully develop efficient and effective hospital admission procedures, diagnostic tests, treatment methods of and a vaccine to treat this virus.

In the meantime . . . we cannot completely trust the data being collected and compiled about this virus.

Also . . . we should not be at all surprised that things are currently somewhat chaotic.

 

[Chuck Yeager]

But Fauci said a vaccine was coming most likely first of next year****

He's probably already been vaccinated *

 

[KentuckyDawg13]

Is this whole denial narrative to make you all feel justified in your stupid stance? The US is breaking numbers daily NOW because the lack of protocol and entitlement that saturates this country. Led by the biggest fraud of them all.

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

There is all sorts of suspect test kits/labs out there...no telling who’s kit/lab your local nurse practitioner uses....

 

[FISHDAWG]

Brother-in-law is a clinic manager. They have started testing for COVID. Today they opened three test kits with gloves and PPE on, and ran them without ever using them. All 3 came back as positive tests. Three unused, untainted swabs and all showed positive.

This is a first hand account. Not the first time I’ve heard of this happening either.

Not sure why we continue to hang on to every daily positive count when the methods of testing are so unreliable.

were the kits manufactured in China ?

 

[Len2003]

What they don’t tell you about hospitalizations though, is hospitals are testing a lot of people that are there for other reasons, like scheduled surgeries/procedures. If those people come back positive, it goes down as a positive COVID hospitalization- even though a lot of these people are asymptomatic and are not even in the hospital for that reason.

I am much more interested in deaths and ICU numbers.

Not completely true. People do have to get screened out for COVID to get surgery and procedures, but, if they test positive, the overwhelming majority are sent home. They aren't sitting in a hospital bed for weeks waiting to get a negative COVID swab so they can get their knee replacement. Most places are going to want you to have 2 negative COVID swabs to have your surgery, and that could take weeks to get. You're not sitting in a hospital waiting for this to happen.

I worked in a COVID unit for 2 months when this started and now do some swabbing for "rule outs." Basically people that need a negative test to have a surgery/procedure or go back to a nursing home. Extremely rare to get a positive test in these instances. The people hospitalized with COVID are sick and need to be there. I've seen a precious few that randomly popped up positive while waiting to get into a nursing home, so their discharge is delayed until they get a negative swab. Those people do count as a hospital admission while waiting, but it's extremely rare from what I've seen. Like it's happened less than 5 times since I've been doing this.

 

[Len2003]

My uncle was in a coma three days. He has Pneumonia and the coma was caused by fluid on his brain. He is awake and is doing better. The doctors never claimed him to have Covid 19. I'm pretty sure he was tested. Now my brother was in ICU for about 5 days with covid. He tested positive.

I've seen this kind of thing (rare but it happens), and I think employees are bringing it in. This is what happened and is still happening in nursing homes.

 

[Len2003]

Very true. My mother just got out of hospital from a 2-week stay with another issue. Was tested for COVID, much against her will. Hospital was testing everyone, regardless of why they were in. This was at a semi-rural MS hospital.

You can't test someone against their will. Patients have a right to refuse. We definitely need to be testing a lot though. That's how you contain it. But if she doesn't want to be tested, she should refuse it.

 

[mount lefroy]

Okay, but hospitalization rates are starting to climb in hot spot areas. That’s a major issue.

Save your breath/keystrokes. People will believe what they want.

 

[MrKotter]

Is this whole denial narrative to make you all feel justified in your stupid stance? The US is breaking numbers daily NOW because the lack of protocol and entitlement that saturates this country. Led by the biggest fraud of them all.

Good Lord, stay away from the TV. Or, at least do a little digging on your own to see the numbers reported are BS and maybe you won't have more freak outs.

 

[Dawgzilla]

You can't test someone against their will. Patients have a right to refuse. We definitely need to be testing a lot though. That's how you contain it. But if she doesn't want to be tested, she should refuse it.

The hospital can require testing if you are going to be in their facility. They have to protect their workers and other patients. If she refused the test, I'm pretty sure they would have kicked her out. If her condition was such that they could not kick her out, then she would have to be tested.

 

[codeDawg]

So . . . there are at least two major problems with the data collected about the numbers of people that have the virus:
1 - the test kits are defective and give false results; and
2 - the sampling method(s).

Thus, why should we believe any report of the numbers of people that have the virus?

Well, one way to handle it would be to say that some of the tests are going to have false negatives and positives, run testing to see what that rate is and apply it to the population...

Or you can just throw your hands up, not believe anything, and let Darwin weed you out on this or some other issue.

We don’t have perfect data on the weather, medical tests of all sorts, even the autopilot that flies airplanes, but we leverage data we do have combined with human judgement to make decisions.

In this case, the reported accuracy rate of these tests is 90%, so you could say that about 1 in 10 is a false positive or negative and make decisions accordingly or you could say it’s all hogwash not believe in something that is a very real risk and not have any data to guide your decision making.

 

[J-Dawg]

Is this whole denial narrative to make you all feel justified in your stupid stance? The US is breaking numbers daily NOW because the lack of protocol and entitlement that saturates this country. Led by the biggest fraud of them all.

I said draw your own conclusions. I simply offered up a real-world, Jackson-metro area, 100% true experience as opposed to info coming from a news source. Make of that what you want.

 

[J-Dawg]

were the kits manufactured in China ?

I'll try to get more info from him today, as well as see if he's contacted the manufacturer.

 

[J-Dawg]

The hospital can require testing if you are going to be in their facility. They have to protect their workers and other patients. If she refused the test, I'm pretty sure they would have kicked her out. If her condition was such that they could not kick her out, then she would have to be tested.

This is correct. Add that to the fact that no family members were able to be with her to advocate on her behalf. Regardless..... she was tested, and it was negative. But everyone in there was getting tested. 100% fact.

 

[engie]

Is this whole denial narrative to make you all feel justified in your stupid stance? The US is breaking numbers daily NOW because the lack of protocol and entitlement that saturates this country. Led by the biggest fraud of them all.

The only notable record being broken is the COVID death number continuing to plummet. I know you’ll be hoping for the worst in “two more weeks” though...

 

[Len2003]

The hospital can require testing if you are going to be in their facility. They have to protect their workers and other patients. If she refused the test, I'm pretty sure they would have kicked her out. If her condition was such that they could not kick her out, then she would have to be tested.

Sure, the hospital can require you to get screened for COVID to have surgery, but the patient can refuse. You won't get the surgery, but no one can test you against your will. Patients can refuse any test or treatment at any time. I refused a CT scan years ago in an ER, and I just signed a form saying I wouldn't hold them liable if something happened. No hospital is requiring COVID testing simply to be admitted though.

 

[RocketDawg]

Yep, he obviously breathed on the swabs.

We're told that the tests are 99%+ reliable, so the chances of 3 in a row being wrong are miniscule. **

 

[RocketDawg]

Remote testing, without the one being tested even knowing, is possible. Technology is amazing. **