I'm glad William Winter lived to see it.
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House consisted of 116 Democrats and 6 Republicans.... Senate 48 Democrats and 4 Republicans when Winter was Governor.
Yes, the current Republicans are the children and grandchildren of the Dixie Democrats that have run MS politics since reconstruction.
Mississippi began the change from Democrat to Republican when Barry Goldwater ran for President. Current Republicans are pretty much what Democrats were "back in the day". Democrats then were far from what Democrats are now, not only in Mississippi but nationwide.
When LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act he said, “I fear we (the Democratic Party) have lost the southern vote for a generation.” He was almost right as it’s been a little longer. That was what began the trickle of DixieCrats from the Democratic Party.
Back in those days the Republican Party was made up of northern intellectuals, aka William F Buckley type conservatives. The liberals of the Democratic Party were basically of the Kennedy mold.
They did however work together, for the most part, for the common good. This was the folks who put men on the moon.
Now days the extremist are dominating both parties. We need to come back towards the center.
Back in those days the Republican Party was made up of northern intellectuals, aka William F Buckley type conservatives. The liberals of the Democratic Party were basically of the Kennedy mold.
They did however work together, for the most part, for the common good. This was the folks who put men on the moon.
Now days the extremist are dominating both parties. We need to come back towards the center.
Technically, no. The Dixiecrats were a real, anti-segregation party in 1948. In 1968, some of these same guys supported George Wallace as an independent candidate when uber-liberal Hubert Humphrey won the Democratic nomination.
What you are referring to in old, Southern, conservative Democrats are properly referred to as “Blue Dog Democrats”. This is a play on the term “Yellow Dog Democrats” from the late 1800’s through the Depression when it was said that Southerners would vote for a yellow dog if he was a Democrat.
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There’s a Blue Dog caucus in DC still but their numbers continue to shrink. Travis Childers was a member of it.
Yep. But I think we’ve seen the Blue Dog Dems death over the last 20 years. One of the main hallmarks of the Blue Dogs was social conservatism. There is little appetite in the modern Democrat party for a Pro-Life Congressman.
It will trend back more towards the center after this election cycle. The honest truth is that this version of the republican party only has so much life left in it. Texas will go blue in the next 2-3 presidential elections if things stay as they are. Georgia and NC are right there with it. Hell, the way things are going it might be this election.
The only way to prevent that from happening is to move a hyper right platform back left and recapture those centrist votes. The Republicans have only won the popular vote once since Bush in 1988. The numbers just aren't there.
this.
Back in the day, I learned that democrats in the 60s are opposite of what they are now. It flipped, basically.
If you were to start a thread with just this comment, nobody would know which party you are referring to. Both act this way. Both also often times seem to not recognize or care that they do it.
Here is what I don't understand about that logic. For that to make sense one has to believe that 'centrists' believe that republicans are more extremely right than democrats are extremely left. How can anyone in their right mind come to that conclusion based on what is happening on the left?
Ha, technically, Dixiecrat and anti-segregration don't go together. Also, the term Blue Dog Democrat is a modern term, like from the 90s.
Since the party's demise, dixiecrat has been used sporadically as a label for conservative southern democrats.
Since the party's demise, dixiecrat has been used sporadically as a label for conservative southern democrats.
THIS is the problem I have with the POTUS elections of the past 20 years.
I have not seen one person on either side I want I am happy with and have put my vote on the most palatable alternative party person I see. Extremism to the left or right started in the Clinton years and has just accelerated to the **** storm it is today.
Costa Rica looks better everyday. Better healthcare and less expensive living.
It's intentionally divisive. If they don't draw battle lines and create people to hate on the other side, how will they mobilize their base? If people don't think that the parties have the best strategists working non-stop to craft a message, then they aren't thinking. I will say this leads to the ONLY thing that I like about how Trump runs the office - he is unabashedly himself and does not play well with either side, nor stick to talking points. Watching both sides of the aisle cringe often is probably more enjoyable than it should be.
I will probably always argue that the right thing happened with the wrong person. I'm also open to there not being a "right" person that fits the mold of being independently wealthy enough to not much care. Last pseudo independent to even have a chance? Perot?
I will probably always argue that the right thing happened with the wrong person. I'm also open to there not being a "right" person that fits the mold of being independently wealthy enough to not much care. Last pseudo independent to even have a chance? Perot?
Here is what I am... Small Government, States Rights, Pro Life but Pro birth control without using Abortion as a form of Birth Control...Legalized Marijuana but prosecute the hell out of the Opiod pushers, Pro Gun but not everyone should have access to one and you need to be certified for Hand Guns, More Money for Teacher Salaries but they need to work 48 weeks a year, school district consolidation ... we don’t need 140+ School Superintendents and District offices. Term Limits, Equal Work Equal Pay but no racial or gender quotas. Tort Reform, Open Marketplace for Insurance, Lower the Social Security Age to 60 but raise retirement age for Government Employees to 60. Take care of Old Folks and Children but everyone else get your *** to work.
Clinton really sullied the office (perhaps not historically, but post-Nixon for sure). He's a terrible person. Bush had some moral standards. Obama had some moral standards. Trump has none. He's just a terrible person. I don't believe for one second that he's the horrid racist that the Dems claim because they loved him up until he decided to usurp the Republican party. Biden made way more directly racist statements historically and even recently. He just gets a pass because he is a Dem It's comical.
So, come November, you get to vote between two terrible people, or abstain. That is where I find myself, anyway.
So, come November, you get to vote between two terrible people, or abstain. That is where I find myself, anyway.
The Democratic majority 10 years ago was made up of people like Cindy Hyde-Smith.
Yes, the legislature was dominated by Democrats well after the Civil Rights Act. But let's not act like it was made up of a bunch of left-wingers. It was about as conservative it is now.
Yes, the legislature was dominated by Democrats well after the Civil Rights Act. But let's not act like it was made up of a bunch of left-wingers. It was about as conservative it is now.
The difference is the parties are ideological now. American politics used to be mostly based on geographic coalitions. During this era, both the GOP and Democrats had competing ideologies within the party.
Democrats had a conservative, segregationist wing in the South (Eastland, Stennis, etc.) but also a more progressive, pro-labor wing in the North. After the Great Society programs, Democrats essentially became the liberal party, and the South ditched them at the presidential level.
Republicans had a liberal base in NY, New England, Chicago, etc. Guys like Jacob Javits, John Anderson, and Nelson Rockefeller. But they also had a conservative faction in the plains and mountain regions. Think Goldwater. When Goldwater won the nomination in 1964, that was the beginning of the Republicans becoming the conservative party. Liberal Republicanism had pretty much died off by the end of the Reagan and Bush administrations.
Democrats had a conservative, segregationist wing in the South (Eastland, Stennis, etc.) but also a more progressive, pro-labor wing in the North. After the Great Society programs, Democrats essentially became the liberal party, and the South ditched them at the presidential level.
Republicans had a liberal base in NY, New England, Chicago, etc. Guys like Jacob Javits, John Anderson, and Nelson Rockefeller. But they also had a conservative faction in the plains and mountain regions. Think Goldwater. When Goldwater won the nomination in 1964, that was the beginning of the Republicans becoming the conservative party. Liberal Republicanism had pretty much died off by the end of the Reagan and Bush administrations.
Given our choices since George Bush left office, he looks awfully good right now. It's definitely choosing the lesser of two evils, and that's what we have for this fall too.
What should William Winter’s legacy be though? I met him about 10 years ago and he was an absolute gentleman, very interesting. Afterward, I’m not ashamed to admit I had to Google him. He was governor right before I was born. Turns out he was deeply involved with the Mississippi Sovereignty Commission, and campaigned on a segregationist ticket. Change or heart, or political convenience?
I worked for Secretary of State Dick Molpus for years and Winter was his mentor. In fact, I rode to the Neshoba County Fair with the Secretary and Mr. and Mrs. Winter. For a poor boy from Copiah County, it was interesting to be riding with a former Governor. I know that Gov. Winter was taking a stand for racial equality back during the walkouts in Grenada in the early 70s. His push to get Education Reform through the state had as the backbone attempting to make a quality education available to ALL children. When Sec. Molpus, who grew up during the racial unrest in Philadelphia, apologized on behalf of the state to the Chaney, Goodman, and Shwerner families, Gov. Winter was a part of that. People can change. Hearts can be changed. Thank the good Lord Almighty for THAT!
Its unfortunate that you think extreme rhetoric and action is only on the left.
There is a crack in the dam and you think pointing your finger to plug a hole will fix it.
The inability for enough voters to recognize the faults in 'their' representation is what js actually hurting us as a nation.
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