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[L4Dawg]

COVID ICU cases in Mississippi yesterday, one day after a new single day case record. It's no suprise after some of the stuff I saw over Memorial Day Weekend.
https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/ne...hospitalizations-rise-sharply-in-15328752.php

 

[Shamoan]

wonder what its going to look like in Philadelphia, NYC, Seattle, Atlanta, Louisville, Chicago, and DC.

 

[patdog]

What's the status of our ICUs in Mississippi? I heard South Central in Laurel ICU was full at 20 rooms (added 7 rooms when the pandemic started) late last week.

 

[L4Dawg]

wonder what its going to look like in Philadelphia, NYC, Seattle, Atlanta, Louisville, Chicago, and DC.

DC has already have several National Guardsmen who had to respond to the protests test positive.

 

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

If only I had been burning down police precincts instead of living my life this wouldn't have happened...

 

[L4Dawg]

What's the status of our ICUs in Mississippi? I heard South Central in Laurel ICU was full at 20 rooms (added 7 rooms when the pandemic started) late last week.

The only place that lists that as far as I know is the MSDH, and they only list state wide numbers.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

Is anyone else blown away that we don't have any medical reporting standards? Every report I read talks about inability to interpret, or even get, data because everyone reports differently, or not at all, etc.

ETA: This is not me asserting that the OP is wrong about this particular issue.

 

[patdog]

The information we're getting on this whole pandemic is very poor. That is by far the most important metric we should be tracking and reporting. And it's barely even being mentioned.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Yep. Numbers of folks in ICU are up to 171.

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Source: Mississippi Department of Health.
Image URL: Here.

 

[patdog]

So, statewide, that's about 14% of ICU beds taken by CV-19 cases, per a quick Google search that shows 1,223 total ICU beds as of 2015.

 

[PineGroveBully]

The bad thing is that it will probably take governmental intervention to standardize medical reporting and Ronnie famously said the scariest 9 words in the English language are “I’m from the government and I’m here to help.” If they could have done it without the government they would have already done it.

 

[L4Dawg]

Yep. Numbers of folks in ICU are up to 171.

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Source: Mississippi Department of Health.
Image URL: Here.

That chart is the important one and the only one really worth looking at. The new case figure is something of a predictor of the trend for that one, but it's not a 1-1 correlation. We all know about the up to two weeks incubation period before symptoms show. My understanding is the most common time to be hospitalized is another week or so after that. That means there is a 2-3 week lag time in those numbers after exposures. The chief medical officer at NMMC said in the paper yesterday that these upticks are almost certainly due to Memorial Day gatherings. He also stressed mask wearing.

 

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

Is anyone else blown away that we don't have any medical reporting standards? Every report I read talks about inability to interpret, or even get, data because everyone reports differently, or not at all, etc.

ETA: This is not me asserting that the OP is wrong about this particular issue.

The whole way this disease has been reported is straight fraud. They have made it profitable for municipalities to have Corona deaths so of course the reporting is going to be very high. When the New York Times published their list of American Covid deaths, the 6th name on the list was a 27 year old man named Jordan Hayes. 27 years old! Tragic right?

Whoops.

 

[ezsoil]

Is anyone else blown away that we don't have any medical reporting standards? Every report I read talks about inability to interpret, or even get, data because everyone reports differently, or not at all, etc.

ETA: This is not me asserting that the OP is wrong about this particular issue.

That was one of the cornerstones of Obamacare, it was supposed to standardize the coding and most Health facilities had to hire staff just to input the data...my doctor has to have a person walk around with her and just type on a laptop...

 

[L4Dawg]

So, statewide, that's about 14% of ICU beds taken by CV-19 cases, per a quick Google search that shows 1,223 total ICU beds as of 2015.

Not all of those can be used for COVID. The latest figure I saw was 712 general use ICU beds. The thing is, some of those have to be used for other things. Almost 2/3 of them are usually occupied at any one time. That leaves around 230 excess capacity. At 171 cases state wide you can bet some hospital ICUs are at or near capacity.

 

[L4Dawg]

Is anyone else blown away that we don't have any medical reporting standards? Every report I read talks about inability to interpret, or even get, data because everyone reports differently, or not at all, etc.

ETA: This is not me asserting that the OP is wrong about this particular issue.

Each state does. That has traditionally been a state function.

 

[L4Dawg]

That was one of the cornerstones of Obamacare, it was supposed to standardize the coding and most Health facilities had to hire staff just to input the data...my doctor has to have a person walk around with her and just type on a laptop...

That's medical records and billing. It's not the same thing as reporting.

 

[patdog]

Again, we really need to be getting information on total ICU usage and total ICU capacity for any of this to be meaningful. Your general ICU use is pretty close to the number I saw for 2015. A few things that need to be adjusted for (which we don't know) are: how many of the other ICU beds can be repurposed for use for CV-19 patients, how many ICU beds have been gained or lost over the last 4+ years, how many ICU beds were added in the early days of the pandemic (South Central in Laurel added 7 ICU beds to the 13 they already had).

 

[horshack.sixpack]

The idea of another government regulation further increasing health care costs is not appealing either. If only the Easy button at Staples was connected to something...

 

[horshack.sixpack]

Ok. Admittedly, I'm pretty ignorant of the reality of it beyond the news cycle, but I swear I've seen reported discrepancies in private clinic vs public hospital vs private hospital data. Perhaps I'm mistaken. It seems very hit or miss. It'd be nice if there were a set of expected minimum metrics for each state that could be set without creating a huge cost burden.

 

[TheStateUofMS]

It's really strange how cases are kind of spiking and hospitalizations are as well, but I've only met one person who has had Covid and I met that person recently, so not a good example. They also survived and was a 61yr old. He said it was rough, but didn't think he was dying.

People are getting it, but it's just not people who are in my orbit I guess? Lots of nursing home deaths. Hopefully that's leveled off. The rest of the folks I have to assume aren't following the rules very well?

Just seems weird we're having the worst epidemic in a century and I don't know anyone on a personal level affected by it.

 

[patdog]

Even with the recent spikes, only 18,109 Mississippians have had the virus per MDH website. That's 0.61% of the population, or roughly 1 out of every 164 people. I only personally know 2 people who have had the virus. Of course, for both of us, there's probably a few people we know who have had it but we just don't know they've had it.

 

[G-Dawg]

I hear ya, but it's like years ago when there were different sizes on railroad tracks and some trains had to stop at the end of one line and unload all of their goods onto another train that ran on a different sized track. The industry finally realized that it would be best if all tracks were the same size and all cars were fitted for those tracks. Maybe the health care industry will do the same. Not a lot of confidence, but...

 

[J-Dawg]

I don't have any 1st-hand friends, family, or acquaintances that have had it (at least to their knowledge). I'm sure all of us know someone who has been asymptomatic, if numbers are to be believed. I "know of" exactly one person who has had it, the son of one of my mothers' friends. He worked at one of the large industries in MS to be hit hard. Considering how small Mississippi is, its crazy that I've yet to run into anyone directly who has had it. Heck, we are literally only 2 or 3 degrees of separation from knowing every person in the state.

 

[TheStateUofMS]

delete/dupe

 

[TheStateUofMS]

Pretty sure, and it's rarely reported, half of all cases are poor people, who are often not as educated, so they do not follow the rules.

I'm just spitballing here, but does this sound accurate for total cases/deaths: 35% nursing homes, 50% poor and 15% random cases from all walks of life and I bet of that 15% a large chunk may be hospital workers?

That's a total guess. I haven't really been reading in depth info on Covid lately.

 

[engie]

So we're currently at 171 of 341 ICU beds available designated for COVID. Definitely time to freak out**

 

[PineGroveBully]

I’m in a much more rural area that you but my county was a hotspot so I’ve had 4 friend’s parents that have died from it, but only one I believe were younger than 70 and those 3 older ones had issues That didn’t help their chances, though they were still active members of society and not bedridden. The 4th was 60-62ish and by mississippi standards was in relatively good shape.

 

[PineGroveBully]

I wasn’t insinuating that anything from the government was ideal, I just don’t see how you get 50 states and maybe 1000 hospital systems on some semblance of the same page isn’t likely without some type of oversight, and the country’s highest medical advisors that might could lead something have the credibility of Facebook right now

 

[mstateglfr]

The whole way this disease has been reported is straight fraud. They have made it profitable for municipalities to have Corona deaths so of course the reporting is going to be very high. When the New York Times published their list of American Covid deaths, the 6th name on the list was a 27 year old man named Jordan Hayes. 27 years old! Tragic right?


Whoops.

https://cbs2iowa.com/news/local/cr-...new-york-times-front-page-covid-19-obituaries

In the example you cite, who profited?

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

I saw that but weekend numbers weren't bad. They have got to find a better way to report this. This up and down lag etc skews the numbers

 

[L4Dawg]

I don't have any 1st-hand friends, family, or acquaintances that have had it (at least to their knowledge). I'm sure all of us know someone who has been asymptomatic, if numbers are to be believed. I "know of" exactly one person who has had it, the son of one of my mothers' friends. He worked at one of the large industries in MS to be hit hard. Considering how small Mississippi is, its crazy that I've yet to run into anyone directly who has had it. Heck, we are literally only 2 or 3 degrees of separation from knowing every person in the state.

Consider yourself lucky. I have friends that have had it. I know several who have died.

 

[L4Dawg]

I saw that but weekend numbers weren't bad. They have got to find a better way to report this. This up and down lag etc skews the numbers

If you want to look at cases and not the hospial figures, the running 7 day avearge figure is the best one to look at. it evens out the up and down. The MSDH doesn't publish it, but it's out there. I think Mississippi Today may have it.

 

[J-Dawg]

Consider yourself lucky. I have friends that have had it. I know several who have died.

What's your demographic & location and there's? Generally speaking, of course. I'm genuinely curious.

 

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

The Cedar Rapids hospital that tagged him as a Covid death would be the one to profit. And the only reason for the redaction is because the NYT got caught lying.

 

[PBRME]

The Cedar Rapids hospital that tagged him as a Covid death would be the one to profit. And the only reason for the redaction is because the NYT got caught lying.

Only if it was medicare

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[Leeshouldveflanked]

52% of Mississippi Covid Deaths are in Long Term Care facilities....


Confirmed Cases
LTC 2137 Deaths 447
Non LTC 16,301 Deaths 421

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

I wouldn’t expect any less in an answer from you.

 

[TheStateUofMS]

I'm young, healthy and live in Florida. I have family in MS, CO, SC, CA and NC. Family is middle class for the most part I'd say. I live in a pretty urban area.

My grandmother has had over 5 deaths in her nursing home in Central MS.

 

[TheStateUofMS]

Have we figured out how to actually stop this from happening?

What really sucks is keeping old folks locked up all day. Maybe it's better if older folks have family they can go live with and reduce the amount of residents in a nursing home.