For you justice crusaders
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If that is true I still think they should be charged with manslaughter at a minimum. This man had shown minimal resistance to arrest, was handcuffed behind his back, and it was 4 on 1. He was no threat. And still he was shown callous disregard for his pleas and struggles for breath and aid for an extended period. This is not acceptable in a civilized society. The responsibility for his death remain in the hands of at least one of these officers. And perhaps more.
The Floyd family has asked for a second autopsy. I'm sure this one will be given different results. I've read elsewhere that the knee move is part of the Minneapolis police training. I don't know if that is true or not, but if it is, and the autopsy results remain the same the second time, that cop may get off of murder 3. If that happens, these riots will be child's play.
Per the Minneapolis Police Department Policy and Procedure Manual:
The Unconscious Neck Restraint shall only be applied in the following circumstances:
**I don't think George Floyd fell into any of these categories, but the point remains that it is taught to the officers.
Per the Minneapolis Police Department Policy and Procedure Manual:
The Unconscious Neck Restraint shall only be applied in the following circumstances:
- On a subject who is exhibiting active aggression, or;
- For life saving purposes, or;
- On a subject who is exhibiting active resistance in order to gain control of the subject; and if lesser attempts at control have been or would likely be ineffective.
- Neck restraints shall not be used against subjects who are passively resisting as defined by policy.
**I don't think George Floyd fell into any of these categories, but the point remains that it is taught to the officers.
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Exactly. Underlying heart condition aggravated by stress from the arrest / restricted oxygen intake with cops knee on the back of his neck and at the same time George's heartbeat was most likely racing.
Think of it like Chernobyl, there that night Dyatlov's actions aggravated / triggered an underlying fatal flaw in the design of the nuclear reactor.
Think of it like Chernobyl, there that night Dyatlov's actions aggravated / triggered an underlying fatal flaw in the design of the nuclear reactor.
Not arguing that I think you're wrong, but, assuming they knew his past, would you not take more caution apprehending someone with a known violent past like Floyd? It's a ****** situation all around but murder it certainly wasn't
Two men and cuffs is caution. A 9 minute knee to the neck, 3 of which after the guy isn't responding is way over the top.
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.195
Whatever he gets that puts him in jail will be the death sentence for him. A cop that causes the death of someone that was unnecessary will be dead meat behind bars. And if all they charge him with is manslaughter.....well you can bet you will see a 2nd wave of riots.
He seemed fine before having 3 officers pin him down, reduce airflow for 6-9 minutes all while in handcuffs. He may have had other medical issues but you can’t say the officers actions did not induce an extreme level of stress and distress. Don’t try to sugarcoat this that they were not at fault.
If the charge is murder and the autopsy says it isn't asphyxiation, not sure how you prove that beyond a shadow of a doubt.
I completely agree. The tough part will be conviction of a crime the level of magnitude that the rioters are expecting, if the cop can make a legitimate case that he was following protocol. That doesn’t make a difference to me, but legal rules and all.
In general, I wish violent crime were punished much more harshly. Cops, rioters, armed robbers, all of em. We value life too little.
yes but once he is cuffed, there isn't a reason to make it worse... if they go for murder, the clown could get off...if they go with aggravated assault and manslaughter, there really isn't any defense to those charges because to the video. Those are both Felonies and if they send him to state prison, his life will be a miserable existence....he will be eating tossed salad every day and being a ***** for the masses
You show the jury a video of a 9 minute knee
3 of those minutes where he's limp. That'll usually do it. You'd have to be pretty damn biased or stubborn to think that his death was coincidental and that neck move was SOP. The defense will try to prove that - it's their job. But I doubt they are going to be able to tell the story this man was a ticking time bomb waiting for just for a little extra stress to keel over. Maybe if there were no video evidence, you would get the jury to buy that. Not in this case - those are very powerful scenes documented.
3 of those minutes where he's limp. That'll usually do it. You'd have to be pretty damn biased or stubborn to think that his death was coincidental and that neck move was SOP. The defense will try to prove that - it's their job. But I doubt they are going to be able to tell the story this man was a ticking time bomb waiting for just for a little extra stress to keel over. Maybe if there were no video evidence, you would get the jury to buy that. Not in this case - those are very powerful scenes documented.
What if body cam evidence shows that he said he had covid and he was spitting? He damn sure said he had it when he was pinned. Would that make it self defense?
Probably negligent homicide will be the final charge without asphyxiation as the cause of death.
And he probably dies in jail......
the one cop said they tried for 10 minutes to get him in the car and he resisted - also what if he is found to be high on meth?
Baden is a modern day have microscope, will testify. And I am interested in what the toxicology results show.
That aside, Mr. Floyd would still be with us today if out of control renegade cops had not tried to use unnecessary and excessive force. Once the Department of Justice became involved, this became a civil rights/hate crime violation. The officers knew what they were doing and will suffer the consequences of their action.
The sad thing is, 95% of cops are great folks. The other 5% are badass wannabes and need to be weeded out before idiotic things like this happen.
And to the looters, anarchists, arsonists, and thugs committing mayhem, I hope the full weight of the justice system comes down on you. To the peaceful protesters, thank you for exercising your rights. Sadly, no one hears you due to the fringe rioters destroying the cities.
That aside, Mr. Floyd would still be with us today if out of control renegade cops had not tried to use unnecessary and excessive force. Once the Department of Justice became involved, this became a civil rights/hate crime violation. The officers knew what they were doing and will suffer the consequences of their action.
The sad thing is, 95% of cops are great folks. The other 5% are badass wannabes and need to be weeded out before idiotic things like this happen.
And to the looters, anarchists, arsonists, and thugs committing mayhem, I hope the full weight of the justice system comes down on you. To the peaceful protesters, thank you for exercising your rights. Sadly, no one hears you due to the fringe rioters destroying the cities.
3 officers on top of a handcuffed man with a 4th supervising doesn't require 9 minutes of a knee driving into a neck. Simple. If he had meth hulk energy, it wasn't apparent on any tape released thus far and I'm still not sure that would merit pinning him for that long. Gaining advantage? Absolutely fine. Dude posted up on him for 9 minutes. I'm not sure you would find many officers that say that was close to being necessary 4 on 1.
Yeah everyone with a heart condition walks around wearing a shirt that says I have a heart condition
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