Maybe a bad flu?
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"The Stanford study, however, does not include the largest antibody study to date: that involving a randomized sample of 70,000 Spanish residents, whose preliminary results were published by the Carlos III Institute of Health two weeks ago. That suggested that five percent of the Spanish population had been infected with the virus. With 27,000 deaths in the country, that would convert to an IFR of 1.1 percent."
Man I love when articles do a whole bunch of text only to post the refutation of whatever they wrote at the very end.
Man I love when articles do a whole bunch of text only to post the refutation of whatever they wrote at the very end.
I think you misspelled "higher." But you don't have to take my word for it.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-covid-19-deaths-are-counted1/
But if you don't want to click the link, here's the relevant bit:
"The reality is that assigning a cause of death is not always straightforward, even pre-pandemic, and a patchwork of local rules and regulations makes getting valid national data challenging. However, data on excess deaths in the United States over the past several months suggest that COVID-19 deaths are probably being undercounted rather than overcounted."
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-covid-19-deaths-are-counted1/
But if you don't want to click the link, here's the relevant bit:
"The reality is that assigning a cause of death is not always straightforward, even pre-pandemic, and a patchwork of local rules and regulations makes getting valid national data challenging. However, data on excess deaths in the United States over the past several months suggest that COVID-19 deaths are probably being undercounted rather than overcounted."
I almost made a lengthy post about this on Monday but deleted it. That day the mortality rate in US according to John's Hopkins data was 5.98%.
All I gotta say if there was a LEGIT virus out there killing 6% of folks who got infected, everyone would be staying inside sealed up in their homes and we'd have something entirely different on our hands.
These Stanford guys have been pretty accurate and I'm glad you shared this article, because I haven't checked on what they've said in over a month, but they are the ones who presented information to me that made me become more skeptical of what was being reported in the mainstream.
I went from, "likely no big deal," to "this is a big deal," to reading the Stanford guys a couple months back and became extremely skeptical of the Covid narratives.
All I gotta say if there was a LEGIT virus out there killing 6% of folks who got infected, everyone would be staying inside sealed up in their homes and we'd have something entirely different on our hands.
These Stanford guys have been pretty accurate and I'm glad you shared this article, because I haven't checked on what they've said in over a month, but they are the ones who presented information to me that made me become more skeptical of what was being reported in the mainstream.
I went from, "likely no big deal," to "this is a big deal," to reading the Stanford guys a couple months back and became extremely skeptical of the Covid narratives.
Maybe, but the number of cases is vastly underreported which inflates the death rate.
Funny how upset some of you get when presented with info that suggest covid isn't as bad as some want you to believe it is. Doesn't take much for this bunch to give up all hope and surrender.
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Huh? Even at an IFR of 1.1%, that's no where close to what "official" number are saying right now, which is what public policy is being dictated on world-wide.
Simply put, you're interpreting the data incorrectly exactly like our politicians.
Our politicians are either dumb or they are power thirsty. It's both I think, but more so the power thirsty option.
Simply put, you're interpreting the data incorrectly exactly like our politicians.
Our politicians are either dumb or they are power thirsty. It's both I think, but more so the power thirsty option.
Yeah, you'd think everyone loves good news. And they you realize that everyone does love good news, but their definition of good news is the opposite of yours. Then you lose a little more faith in humanity.
Well, given that there are problems with false positives, the Spanish numbers may be overinflated.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-tanzania-idUSKBN22G295
Something else to keep in mind here in the US is lab testing companies aren’t really regulated and can say their tests are 97% accurate but aren’t. This is a problem for false positives AND false negatives as it pertains to inaccurate numbers of infection and death rates.
We’re still learning more about this virus and I, for one, remain skeptical of its ferocious fatality rate. The fact that it doesn’t live on surfaces like scientists originally claimed is a great example of still learning about its characteristics.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-tanzania-idUSKBN22G295
Something else to keep in mind here in the US is lab testing companies aren’t really regulated and can say their tests are 97% accurate but aren’t. This is a problem for false positives AND false negatives as it pertains to inaccurate numbers of infection and death rates.
We’re still learning more about this virus and I, for one, remain skeptical of its ferocious fatality rate. The fact that it doesn’t live on surfaces like scientists originally claimed is a great example of still learning about its characteristics.
Man, nobody thinks the actual fatality rate is 5.98%. Not Fauci, Trump, the CDC, WHO, politicians, scientists, anybody. That is the confirmed case fatality rate which is entirely different from IFR. No policy is being pushed based on that number alone without considering any other variables.
If you were to throw in all the people that have had it and and recovered and its gone unreported, and take out the deaths being reported as Covid19 because the hospitals get extra $$ for it and were told to do so if they weren't sure what the cause was, then the mortality rate is really much lower
Wasn't "Abandon All Hope" part of the banner here at one time? I think some people are still living that banner out.
Yes, I know that. Point being the narrative is: "cases are climbing, deaths are climbing, we can't open too soon, etc," by the same people know the data is incorrect.
They don't even present the data with a caveat. It's simply presented as grim as possible with figures they know aren't even remotely accurate.
They don't even present the data with a caveat. It's simply presented as grim as possible with figures they know aren't even remotely accurate.
Did you read what it said? They are looking the number of deaths we normally have vs deaths now. The stats say deaths from covid are undercounted.
Where can I view these alleged stats? I'd love to see them and work through it for myself. You'll have to excuse me if I'm unwilling to "take the word" of a 28 paragraph article which only includes actual statistics on a shortage of forensic pathologists in this situation and a percentage drop in ER visits for heart issues as the actual evidence toward the preconceived conclusion.
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I agree with you wholeheartedly. In my opinion it has gotten too political with both sides digging in and finding then using the facts that back thier point of view. Hell if you look hard enough you can find a study that will back any point on any subject you want. That doesn't make it correct.
Did you read the post you responded to?
Everybody knows the recorded number of deaths isn't perfectly accurate. But there is no plausible way that the number of deaths is undercounted by anywhere near the amount the number of infections is undercounted, whether you want to look on a percentage of absolute basis. So the IFR, even if you wanted to attribute all excess deaths to COVID (which would be incorrect, as many of those will be deaths from people avoiding or denied treatment because of suspension of "elective" procedures, although there are also things like automobile accident being reduced that would go the other way) is going to be way, way under the reported case fatality rate.
Memphis news reported that in Memphis a huge spike in Drug Overdose deaths since Covid lockdown that has exceeded the number of Covid deaths...
Its always sad to see how many choose to hurt or are unable to help themselves when it comes to drug use, both legal and illegal.
A stat like this doesnt mean shelter in place was a mistake though.
This is will be extremely easy to flesh out (although it will probably never be reported). Compare the number of April deaths for the the past several years to deaths in April 2020. If roughly the same (barring some unaccounted for circumstance), it will mean COVID-19 deaths were over reported. It will take months for that data to come through, but so far March 2020 numbers show pretty much the same death rate as the previous few years.
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