Dr Fauci has been quoted

[Trojanbulldog19]

that's probably true based on some conversation i've had with some doctors. it's going to happen eventually unless a vaccine makes it before we make it to that point. only reason to shut stuff down was to not over run hospitals. have to open it up in moderation to keep that in mind. We can't close everything down forever to save everyone. they will still get it eventually one way or another unless they are incredibly lucky. those giving Musk a hard time on twitter just don't understand we can't bubble everything off forever. just have to take precaution best way you can just like you do with any other disease or virus out there. this is a nasty bad virus that you don't really know how it will affect you when you get it. chances are good, but you never know what will happen. you may have an underlying issue you don't know about. I have several different health issues i deal with all the time. how will they be affected by the virus? no idea. i have to take precaution, but i also understand we just can't stay shut down forever. we have to do things in moderation to not over run the hospital. my parents have a lot of health issues. i'm pretty sure this would kill my mom if she got it. Same with my dad with his age and having bad infection last year that put him in the hospital a while. they have to very careful. some people have the mindset to shut it down so they don't get it, but that's just unrealistic to happen long term. Opening wide open right now is probably a bad idea health wise for spread, but have to find a good balance.

 

[Wizard.sixpack]

yes I believe there is a virus dumbass, people are dying from it. Do I believe it is a serious threat to a majority of the country? No. I believe it to no worse than a bad cold for most.

 

[FQDawg]

So, just a reminder:
Social distance whenever you HAVE to go into public. 6 feet min, 12 feet better.
Do not go into public any more than you HAVE to.
Limit groups of people to 10 or less. I would urge less than 10.
Do not go and visit your old grandparents, mothers, etc unless you absolutely have to. Noted that once you do, you have a responsibility to take care of yourself for them.
Wash your hands every opportunity you get for 20+ seconds with water and any kind of soap. Wash every finger, your palm, your thumb, between your fingers, and up your arm 3-4 inches. Make sure everything is scrubbed and you didn't miss anything. Wash them as if you have motor oil on them.
Shave off your beard or mustache.
Refrain from touching your face. Especially in public. If you do, wash your hands immediately.
Always wash up thoroughly prior to eating.
Do not lick door knobs.
If you have a fever, go to the doctor immediately.
If you develop a dry cough, go to the doctor immediately.
If you feel "off" go to the doctor immediately.

Stop trying to take my freedoms away from me you pinko commie.

 

[NWADawg]

It's not 'liberals'. It's people who have loved ones that are over 60 and particularly susceptible to this virus.

Are you not aware that the general public continuing to spread this virus affects everyone regardless of political beliefs?

I have loved ones over 60 and I think SIP is total manipulative bullcrap. We take extreme caution with our family that is high risk. We don't go in their house, get within 6 feet, we over sanitize.... It makes sense for us to protect them because they are high risk. Because we take such precautions when we are around them, what we do when we are not around them has no impact on them. We could around town licking door knobs and it wouldn't matter to those we protect because we are protecting them. The rest of us should be going to work, eating in restaurants, playing on playground, etc. When you get done doing those things, you just can't go give grandma a hug (shouldn't be doing that yet anyway) until we get a vaccine or a better way to treat them.

 

[paindonthurt_]

Whoever downvoted this either hates you are right or is ignorant on the subject.

Flattening then curve was always abt not overwhelming the healthcare system.

 

[hatfieldms]

Why do you want to kill my parents and grandparents?

Why are your parents and grandparents not self quarantining if they are the most at risk?

 

[My Bru]

70% + of the world will get this virus regardless of the actions taken unless a vaccine is miraculously fast tracked. It doesn't matter if we shut down or open up.

No pandemic in the history of the world has affected 70% of the population.

 

[mount lefroy]

So the opposite side wants their loved ones to die?

The opposite side has prioritized addressing the fear of economic loss over the health issues of the most vulnerable in this country.

We were told without equivocation what the standards were to move from level 0 to level 1 to 2 or 3.

We simply didnt do anything resembling that. In Mississippi we have relaxed the standards on the way up the trend line.

 

[mount lefroy]

Why are your parents and grandparents not self quarantining if they are the most at risk?

Self quarantining is only part of the solution.

 

[hatfieldms]

Self quarantining is only part of the solution.

How long should everyone self quarantine?

 

[Cooterpoot]

No pandemic in the history of the world has affected 70% of the population.

Hopefully it doesn't, but that's the projection (And I know projections have been wrong). It's one of the fastest spreading viruses mankind has ever seen. The silent carrier is tough to deal with too. And our population and world economy is greater than ever.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

How would testing immediately before a game be useful with something that is asymptomatic, but still contagious, for up to 2 weeks. Either have games or don't, but don't institute stupid rules to make people FEEL like something is being done to protect them. Honestly, of the people that I know who are currently very worried about it, 0% of them would attend a game this Fall. They are currently doing things like cancelling summer beach plans for fear of getting sick.

 

[BoDawg.sixpack]

There's no guarantee there will ever be an effective vaccine anyway.

I think the staged re-openings, based on a state by state assessment of transmission and mortality rates is the best option going forward. I think we're doing it the right way so far. A lot of the fear that has been extrapolated across the country is based on the worst regional case we have which is New York.

 

[TBone.sixpack]

They are scared someone that went to a game would contaminate them when they see each other at one of their 3 weekly visits to Lowe’s.

 

[dorndawg]

Generally agree with you. Already, I get the sense that some large measure of what we do will be theater. Much like air travel security post 9-11. And I say that as someone who *is* very worried and canceling summer plans.

 

[BoDawg.sixpack]

It may not still be in the pandemic phase by then, but it will still hit 70% plus.

 

[TBone.sixpack]

And hasn’t a large percentage of people in NYC gotten infected while staying at home?

 

[mount lefroy]

70% + of the world will get this virus regardless of the actions taken unless a vaccine is miraculously fast tracked. It doesn't matter if we shut down or open up.

Given that number, if 229 million people in the US contract this. and 2% die from it. We are talking about 4.5 million people dying from this. Right now, Mississippi is at 4.5 % death rate.

4.5 million in the US. That's double the original numbers.

Thats over 2 million contracting and 41,000 dying in Mississippi.

You have a pretty bleak outlook.

 

[Hubcitydog]

What was the goal of those recommendations? To keep hospitals from being overwhelmed. The measures touted were to flatten a curve so as to not overwhelm hospitals. Our hospital numbers are easy to find on ms dept health website

 

[mount lefroy]

How would testing immediately before a game be useful with something that is asymptomatic, but still contagious, for up to 2 weeks. Either have games or don't, but don't institute stupid rules to make people FEEL like something is being done to protect them. Honestly, of the people that I know who are currently very worried about it, 0% of them would attend a game this Fall. They are currently doing things like cancelling summer beach plans for fear of getting sick.

If you test all players 24 hours out from a game and only allow those who test negative, you could play. It wouldnt eliminate the chance, but it would at least give you the understanding that true negative tests wont infect each other. False negatives might still transmit it. I believe Fauci was making the argument that the effort to conduct such an event isnt worth the effort that it will take to insure to a reasonable degree, it's safety. Fans, though, would be an entirely other thing.

 

[SheltonChoked]

No pandemic in the history of the world has affected 70% of the population.

Signed
Black Death 1346-1353 (KILLED 30-50%)
Smallpox Until the Jenner Vaccine (killed 90% of Native Americans in the 15th century)
Chickenpox
Measles
Mumps
All other "Childhood Diseases"

In the first outbreak, two thirds of the population contracted the illness and most patients died; in the next, half the population became ill but only some died; by the third, a tenth were affected and many survived; while by the fourth occurrence, only one in twenty people were sickened and most of them survived.[SUP][99][/SUP]

 

[horshack.sixpack]

I suppose that I'm ignorant as to when a person would test positive vs when they are contagious. I suppose that if you test negative, and that guarantees not to be contagious with it, there could be some merit. At that point, you would limit risk to people who became contagious during the event.

Honestly with the testing such as it is and varied reports on accuracy, etc. it is tough to keep up. Plus, I'm not an MD which makes me way better suited to weigh in.***

 

[SheltonChoked]

They are scared someone that went to a game would contaminate them when they see each other at one of their 3 weekly visits to Lowe’s.

What kind of weirdo sits up against 2 strangers, for 4 hours, in Lowes? How are you not arrested?

And how big in your Lowes that 50,000 people are there at once?

 

[VegasDawg13]

Shave off your beard or mustache.

I don't believe this is actually being recommended. This was a rumor for a while based on a CDC graphic that was taken out of context as far as I know.

However, if I'm wrong, I'd like to know.

 

[mount lefroy]

How long should everyone self quarantine?

Per the CDC and the president's task force:
1. 14 days of declining numbers in case incidence rate which is measured per 100,000 tests administered. (MS is at 334 right now up from 160 two weeks ago)
2. 14 days of declining case fatality ratio which currently sits at 4.5% in Mississippi which is up from 2 weeks ago.
3. ALL major hospitals have proper amounts of tests, ppe, and ventilators based on population density in an area.

#3 is in preparation of the next spike which is already inevitable.

Relaxing levels of social distancing and raising the number of people that can congregate must be preceded by these numbers being publicized.

 

[BoDawg.sixpack]

Smallpox was the worst disease in terms of mortality rate to ever hit a single continent. I remember reading a book called 1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus, where the author talked about accounts of Europeans explorers seeing the coastline of South America lined with skeletons that had been bleached by the sun. There were too many to bury and too few people who had the strength to dig graves. That was a real medical emergency and the primary reason the Spaniards had any chance whatsoever to assume control of a culture that was technologically superior at the time.

 

[patdog]

Generally agree with you. Already, I get the sense that some large measure of what we do will be theater. Much like air travel security post 9-11. And I say that as someone who *is* very worried and canceling summer plans.

Completely agree.

 

[SheltonChoked]

I suppose that I'm ignorant as to when a person would test positive vs when they are contagious. I suppose that if you test negative, and that guarantees not to be contagious with it, there could be some merit. At that point, you would limit risk to people who became contagious during the event.

Honestly with the testing such as it is and varied reports on accuracy, etc. it is tough to keep up. Plus, I'm not an MD which makes me way better suited to weigh in.***

I think you are confusing no symptoms with no positive test.

If the test is negative, you don't have it. (false negative rate, blah, blah)

But a weekly test would reveal that pretty well. Add in antibody testing, and you could get sports back.

The issue is how many tests you would need...

 

[johnson86-1]

Given that number, if 229 million people in the US contract this. and 2% die from it. We are talking about 4.5 million people dying from this. Right now, Mississippi is at 4.5 % death rate.

4.5 million in the US. That's double the original numbers.

Thats over 2 million contracting and 41,000 dying in Mississippi.

You have a pretty bleak outlook.

I don't think anybody is projecting a case fatality rate over 1%.

 

[L4Dawg]

How about this: you do whatever you want to do (within reason), and I'll do whatever I want to do.

What I choose to do is my choice, not yours. Who I choose to listen to is my choice, not yours.

I don't mind at all if you choose to be "looking out for the well-being of our fellow man and woman (and other classifications)," but you can't force me to do it.

The reasoning behind my stance is something I call common sense. I realized a long time ago that I have no real control over another person's thoughts and actions.

Thus, I allow each person to make his/her own choices.

General question: why do liberals try to control people and tell them what to do?

Concerning this virus . . . the death rate for those under 60 years of age is very low, so why are we acting like the death rate is 80% for all ages?

You cant make the choice to drink and drive.

 

[TBone.sixpack]

So edgy. Let me know when you have all of this hammered out Mr. Professional.

 

[L4Dawg]

What was the goal of those recommendations? To keep hospitals from being overwhelmed. The measures touted were to flatten a curve so as to not overwhelm hospitals. Our hospital numbers are easy to find on ms dept health website

Yes it has worked, now we re going back to what we know won't work.

 

[SheltonChoked]

Why are your parents and grandparents not self quarantining if they are the most at risk?

How will they get food?

How will they get the meds they need?

How do they get more cleaning supplies?

 

[mount lefroy]

I don't think anybody is projecting a case fatality rate over 1%.

That's good news. But if true, that would put the 70% infected at 2.29 million deaths. Still pretty bleak.

My concern is reducing the next impending spike. That can only be done by how we act now. What gives me the greatest hope is that just about everyone I know will continue to stay home and keep these numbers down as long as they can regardless of what economists suggest we do.

I have much to be grateful for even in all this bad news. I have 2 sons in college at MSU and they can attend within the safety of my home if necessary because we live in Starkville.

 

[NWADawg]

And you are why we have to take more aggressive measures.

Wear a mask.

Social distance.

Act like you have been told that the virus is most contagious before symptoms https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/if-youve-been-exposed-to-the-coronavirus

I've been told a lot of things over the last few months about CV. I would estimate about 5% of it turning out to be true. For every academia that is crying out about how contagious this is and how we should be locked away in absolute isolation, there is another academia that is just how wrong it is to quarantine the healthy and how unhealthy wearing a mask is in general. Many medical experts and virologist are very concerned about the weakening of the public's immune systems due to the quarantine.

So act like you don't believe every word the biased media spews out. Act like you've lived in this world for a few damn years and realize when you get up above the trees, you can actually see the forest. Act like you're not some young mind in college being taught by a group that a significant amount of them fit into the "if you can't do, teach" category. See, I can insult too.

I got my degree years ago and about half of my profs were absolute idiots in everything other than the one subject they taught. The other half had some brilliant dudes. Here are a couple things I learned as part of the problem solving process while there:

1. Establish what you know (not what you or someone else thinks)
*very little is actually known about this CV but there are a few things

2. Establish what you are looking for

3. Map the course from #1 to #2.

4. Check against other established rules, principles, truths, etc.

When I try to follow this process through the absolute quarantine solution, step #4 keeps sending me back to step #1 to start over. So, I don't think I will consider that a reasonable solution process going forward.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

Right, and the velocity of onset. How fast can an exposed person go from negative test to contagious? If that is in under 4 hours, it somewhat reduces the effectiveness, but doesn't make it totally useless. I would not subject myself to such to attend a game. I will attend based on two things: 1) Are we having games? 2) Given the state of the pandemic am I comfortable going? Pre-game test would be a no go for me. I just don't want to deal with all that.

 

[jethreauxdawg]

How long should everyone self quarantine?

Until there are no more diseases in the world.

 

[jethreauxdawg]

How will they get food?

How will they get the meds they need?

How do they get more cleaning supplies?

Maybe they have a relative/friend/employee that can brave the world and buy supplies for them, sanitize these items and leave them in a sanitized yeti on their porch for 15 days (can’t be too careful here), and then when the wind is not blowing, one of them can slip outside in a hazmat suit and retrieve the safe to handle items.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

i'm just curious for those that compare to flue death rate that say the death rate is much lower because of all the unknown asymptomatic cases. are the flu asymptomatic cases counted in that death rate as well? if someone has the flu virus but doesn't show symptoms how do you know to count them in the rate. the rate we count with covid is of the known cases. wouldn't that be the same for the flu?

 

[My Bru]

Yes it has worked, now we re going back to what we know won't work.

Won't work? Are you claiming the hospitals need be LESS crowded than they are right now?