it's my opinion that enrollment in the fall will be off. Why? Expenses for in-state students and bigger drop in out of state students. My guess is an increase at community colleges. I can see an even bigger drop at UM due to larger out of state population. Thoughts? I'll hang up and listen.
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It's time to cut tuition and fees. Get on track to peg tuition and expenses to inflation. For the last 20 years Mississippi State tuition and fee increases have nearly doubled inflation... That is not sustainable. The nuclear arms race of better dorms, buildings, and other amenities has to chill.
No better way to get the ball rolling than now.
No better way to get the ball rolling than now.
There was a national story about enrollment this morning. Girl from NY rethinking going
to Clemson this fall.
I have a 2020 HS senior. She is deciding between State and OM but may just go to CC in the fall to knock out a few general eds and see how things go. If the universities ramp up online learning, she'll stick with a 4year. I'm worried about how viruses always spread in dorms when the kids return to campus.
However I think you are exactly right. The on campus population is going to be down next fall.
to Clemson this fall.
I have a 2020 HS senior. She is deciding between State and OM but may just go to CC in the fall to knock out a few general eds and see how things go. If the universities ramp up online learning, she'll stick with a 4year. I'm worried about how viruses always spread in dorms when the kids return to campus.
However I think you are exactly right. The on campus population is going to be down next fall.
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With peoples college funds in the ditch, I would think many more will go the Juco route. I would expect college enrollment down everywhere though.
Will there even allow students back on campus and have regular classes? Summer is already all online.
Putting aside our passion for MSU, does anyone really think this is a bad thing?
You are about to see Community Colleges really benefit through all of this. Scott Alsobrooks at EMCC said that when the economy sucks, community colleges boom and when the economy is great, they suffer.
That's also true for universities
Not as many jobs available, so people go to school, CJC or 4 year. And when a student graduates from CJC, and job market is still poor, they then go to a 4 year.
Not as many jobs available, so people go to school, CJC or 4 year. And when a student graduates from CJC, and job market is still poor, they then go to a 4 year.
what part? Staying at home and going to the CC? No, I think it is the smart thing to do. In a number of ways....... but it isn't the funniest.
Yeah. We need more skilled tradesmen, especially in this state. Higher ed is kinda outta control. This will probably result in a slowing of the brain drain.
How do you figure? Unless you mean graduates of our 4 year universities are moving back in with mom and dad because they can’t find a job anywhere, which isn’t good.
The only way we are going to stop the brain drain is a) have high skilled, high tech jobs created by companies that hire our university graduates and b) have a decent and cool City recent grads want to move to. There are other factors, but those are the big two.
Jackson State is waiving the SAT/ACT requirements for admission this fall. They may become the largest University in the State this fall.****
Some of those people are getting degrees they don't want or need simply because they were instructed to do so (by parents, peers, counselors, teachers, etc.). They'll now go to CCs or just be entrepreneurial and do things that are needed here. They may go straight into the work force, with less college options out there that are attractive.
I said SLOW the brain drain not end it.
I think you're going to see that trend isn't as strong in the future the "higher" you go up. There were lots of people suckered into believing that a degree or higher level degree was the key to a higher paying job and that student loan debt was "good debt". SO when they got out of college and couldn't get a job with a salary they thought they should get, they just signed up for some more student loans and went after a graduate degree. I think people are much more cognizant now that students loans are an actual burden regardless or how good or bad you might think they are. I'm sure you'll still see that trend; hopefully it just won't be as pronounced going forward.
You did say slow, and that is what I meant too but used the wrong word.
My sense is the majority of students that leave the state for jobs are still going to attend a university and graduate. Engineers, accountants, scientists, etc.
The students you are talking about, yea some leave, but it’s because they want to and/or they don’t finish either way.
If what you describe happens, the numbers may go down slightly but the problem will worsen.
We need more graduates from all levels in MS- high school, CJC, and universities- to create a multi-level workforce with different education and skill sets. It can’t be all
University graduates nor can it be all CJC. Now is not the time to be rooting for one area of education over another when it comes to support. There is a role for everyone and we need more of each.
My sense is the majority of students that leave the state for jobs are still going to attend a university and graduate. Engineers, accountants, scientists, etc.
The students you are talking about, yea some leave, but it’s because they want to and/or they don’t finish either way.
If what you describe happens, the numbers may go down slightly but the problem will worsen.
We need more graduates from all levels in MS- high school, CJC, and universities- to create a multi-level workforce with different education and skill sets. It can’t be all
University graduates nor can it be all CJC. Now is not the time to be rooting for one area of education over another when it comes to support. There is a role for everyone and we need more of each.
What requirements? You literally have to have a 16 For admittance at any university in the state, which isn’t much a requirement at all.
It's my opinion that we need many more of the CC graduates at the moment, to fill that need. That's your base.
I agree the enrollment numbers may not be sustainable, but 1A is high school graduation rates plummeting and have been forecasted to for a few years now. It’ll effect most of the Southeast IHL’s. That being said, I cringe when people ***** about tuition costs at MSU. MSU is still a bargain. Cost less to go to MSU than Memphis and Central Arkansas.
Keenum has been proactive on this. He’s partnered with every community college in the State recently with the a new degree. I think bachelor of applied science? Taking pictures at every signining, making it a big deal. He’s recruiting.
Keenum has been proactive on this. He’s partnered with every community college in the State recently with the a new degree. I think bachelor of applied science? Taking pictures at every signining, making it a big deal. He’s recruiting.
Where it is really going to hurt are the small but expensive private schools. I would not want to be in charge of the budget at a place like Millsaps, Rhodes, Loyola New Orleans, Spring Hill in Mobile, Belhaven, etc. I think you will see dozens of schools in this category around the country close up shop in the next 24-36 months. Maybe not these exact ones, but higher education is going to change. It was trending in that direction anyway w/ out of control student loans that are out of alignment w/ future salaries. Covid-19 will accelerate this in a big way.
As long as these individuals are going to a trade school or maximizing their education at a community college, I am all for it. A bachelors degree is essentially worthless outside of a handful of degrees.
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Why admit a bunch of people that have almost no chance of graduating? It is just taking resources of people that can meet the challenges of a more rigorous collegiate education...
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