Until someone you care about gets sick with Corona

[jdbulldog]

it can still have a distant feel. This morning I received a very dire email from a great friend telling me he in is ICU at a very good hospital I will not name. He has Corona and is in what he calls extreme isolation. Underlying health issues and his age are working against him. He says he is unsure if he will survive. It was worse than a punch in the gut. I have not visited with him in a couple of months so I am good. Please pray for him.

 

[SirBarksalot]

it can still have a distant feel. This morning I received a very dire email from a great friend telling me he in is ICU at a very good hospital I will not name. He has Corona and is in what he calls extreme isolation. Underlying health issues and his age are working against him. He says he is unsure if he will survive. It was worse than a punch in the gut. I have not visited with him in a couple of months so I am good. Please pray for him.

that sucks. Unfortunately I’m afraid this will become more common for most of us.
Stay safe and God Speed everyone.

 

[PineGroveBully]

Sort of reminds me of the old Harry Truman and then Reagan quote. A recession is when your neighbor loses his job. A depression is when you lose yours.

Hope your friend makes a speedy and full recovery

 

[Bucky Dog]

Hopefully he’s at a hospital that will put him on hydroxychloroquine. It is working at all stages and is showing to prevent virus from replicating and eventually suppressing it, as well as providing anti inflammatory response in the lungs which is key because it’s the pneumonia that kills people.

The President today said they will be granting usage of it and a report from NYC hospital said they have put 100 patients on it and they are all progression free and most are getting much better.

Ask your friend or his wife to demand to be put on this at 600mg a day along with a Z Pack!

 

[paindonthurt_]

Curious abt the z pack.
How are antibiotics helping a virus?

 

[Bucky Dog]

Pneumonia and certain respiratory issues are not virus and are responsive to antibiotics.

The virus causes these other issues which are infections which can be treated with antibiotics.

 

[paindonthurt_]

Heard and thanks.

 

[Bulldogg31]

Yep, generic Plaquenil ($12 for 30 tabs) and a five-day Z-Pak was 100% effective in “curing” Covid-19
In trials. I think doctors are already prescribing it for potential cases.

 

[theeleven]

The virus causes these other issues which are infections which can be treated with antibiotics.

Not sure what level of biology you topped out at, but there are viral infections and bacterial infections. Viral infections are not treated with antibiotics. Bacterial infections are treated with antibiotics.

 

[Bucky Dog]

Not sure what level of biology you topped out at, but there are viral infections and bacterial infections. Viral infections are not treated with antibiotics. Bacterial infections are treated with antibiotics.

Quit being a dick. My point was the virus itself is not effected by antibiotics but certain infections caused by the virus can be treated with the antibiotics.

 

[The Peeper]

Apparently, Dr. Eleven, your reading comprehension lapsed and you missed the part that says "OTHER ISSUES" which are infections which can be treated with antibiotics?

 

[TheStateUofMS]

Will pray for him. Do you know if he was taking it seriously beforehand and not going out or was he carrying on as normal? I'm just asking because I'm curious. Not trying to insinuate in anyway "he asked for it" or anything like that.

My father is retired but still doing some 1099 work engineering jobs and he's still working for a client this week and I've told him not too, but he won't listen. He's healthy but also 65yrs old. Doesn't smoke but does vape. I'm nervous for him.

 

[Nicephorus]

Not sure what level of biology you topped out at, but there are viral infections and bacterial infections. Viral infections are not treated with antibiotics. Bacterial infections are treated with antibiotics.

Not sure what level of medical education you topped out at, but the virus damages your lungs by creating an intense immune response that damages your lungs (ARDS) making it more susceptible to a superimposed bacterial infection. The z pac helps protect against developing a concomitant bacterial infection. Additionally, Plaquenil has immunosuppressant properties that theoretical could also increase risk of bacterial infection.

 

[jdbulldog]

Thanks so much for your suggestion and interest. He has been made aware. I am unsure of exactly what is being done for him in the way of meds.

Hopefully he’s at a hospital that will put him on hydroxychloroquine. It is working at all stages and is showing to prevent virus from replicating and eventually suppressing it, as well as providing anti inflammatory response in the lungs which is key because it’s the pneumonia that kills people.

The President today said they will be granting usage of it and a report from NYC hospital said they have put 100 patients on it and they are all progression free and most are getting much better.

Ask your friend or his wife to demand to be put on this at 600mg a day along with a Z Pack!

 

[dawgoneyall]

Curious abt the z pack.
How are antibiotics helping a virus?

That class is anti-inflammatory to a certain degree. Probably does nothing for the virus (guessing) but reduces the inflammatory events in the lungs.

 

[MeridianDog]

Not sure what level of biology you topped out at, but there are viral infections and bacterial infections. Viral infections are not treated with antibiotics. Bacterial infections are treated with antibiotics.

Did I not read that the zpack creates an alkaline pH in your cells that inhibits the virus replication. I would look it up, but someone else can just as easily do that. The thing is the combination of the two is what is important.

I am not a physician - Masters in Microbiology and Biochemistry with virology - Retired from a near 50 year career in pharmaceutical manufacturing laboratory and QC/QA. Ended as VP of Quality with a drug company, and a general "know it all".

And a bit of wine tonight.


Edited to add - A week or two ago, a doctor would have prescribed this combination "Off Label" since there was no label indication of suitability/approval for use in this condition.

Most Doctors are very reluctant to prescribe Off Label use of drugs, since they take on considerable liability when they do such things. If I heard right, there is a big push within FDA to list the combination as acceptable for use in this emergency situation, which allows doctors to prescribe the drugs, even though there is not an acceptable amount of study to approve them as "safe and effective".

S&E are words taken directly from the Pure Food and Drug act. FDA has the responsibility for assuring drugs are S&E. They are not able to do this without a ton of data, which is not out there at the moment.

Maybe I'll add more later.

 

[jdbulldog]

My friend had a very tight circle of family and friends. He did no shopping for himself but did regularly go to a nearby and very popular place for lunch. Your dad must be staying away from people and should wash hands diligently. It would be great if he would keep a spray bottle in his vehicle of 90% alcohol...70% works but not what I prefer. Or hand sanitizer...very hard to find. Sounds like Dad is a smart man not using his intelligence right now! You are right to be nervous. Non essential work should be suspended unless he needs the money. The sons and daughters of The Greatest Generation inherited a lot of their stubborn, determined ways!

Will pray for him. Do you know if he was taking it seriously beforehand and not going out or was he carrying on as normal? I'm just asking because I'm curious. Not trying to insinuate in anyway "he asked for it" or anything like that.

My father is retired but still doing some 1099 work engineering jobs and he's still working for a client this week and I've told him not too, but he won't listen. He's healthy but also 65yrs old. Doesn't smoke but does vape. I'm nervous for him.