Cohen say...
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We are losing revenue by not having enough chairbacks. The fact that they completely sold out tells me we under built the stadium. We need to have enough chairbacks that there are a handful left after season tickets.
I do not like this move. You totally eliminate the fan who lives out of town or does not want to buy season tickets.
I had a blast on the berms during the super regional last year.
Maybe just the berm closest to first base?
The first base side chairback seating is one section smaller than the third base side but keep the berms in the left & right field corners.
The first base side chairback seating is one section smaller than the third base side but keep the berms in the left & right field corners.
Yep.. that was a nice way of saying if you’d told us you wanted a bigger stadium we would have built a bigger stadium.
On the flip side.. sometimes as the leader of a program you have to be able to envision things better than the common man. Imagine what something WILL be rather than what it is. There were folks out there who first looked through the plans and said... Needs more grand stand seating.
That’s why I’m not a fan of cutting up the Hump. When I imagine what it’ll be like with those walls running down through the stands I think it’s going to kill the atmosphere even more than it has been.
On the flip side.. sometimes as the leader of a program you have to be able to envision things better than the common man. Imagine what something WILL be rather than what it is. There were folks out there who first looked through the plans and said... Needs more grand stand seating.
That’s why I’m not a fan of cutting up the Hump. When I imagine what it’ll be like with those walls running down through the stands I think it’s going to kill the atmosphere even more than it has been.
This is very true. I had been on the waiting list with the old dude and got a chairback in the new park.
Can’t blame Cohen for that aspect, but it does bring back the only point of frustration I had with the new construction plan. We didn’t actually tear down the field level box sections or dugouts, so the old sight lines still exist to a certain extent. You had to know expansion would come at some point when people actually saw the final product, and it would eventually be an issue.
Having been in the new park, expansion isn’t going to be as tricky as I originally thought a couple of years ago. There are ways to angle the seats to improve the natural sight lines as you get further down the line, but I still wish we could have just totally razed the entire old structure. The Hump location may have made that tricky on the 1st base line though...
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For real. We don’t need to put any more money in the baseball stadium until funding is secure for the Hump and a football only IPF.
Is the secondary market for tickets so screwed up that non-season ticket holders cannot get a chair back for a single game? Is it really either buy season tickets OR be stuck on a berm?
I’ve been a Saints season ticket holder for 16 years and posting tickets to games I cannot attend could not be easier. Originally it was through nfl Ticketmaster and now the default is through Seat Geek. It is a very simple and convenient process as a seller and equally as simple as a buyer.
Instead of doing construction on a beautiful new stadium, maybe take that $ and dedicate to a first class ticket exchange (where the university can charge handling fees and make money off the transaction)
I’ve been a Saints season ticket holder for 16 years and posting tickets to games I cannot attend could not be easier. Originally it was through nfl Ticketmaster and now the default is through Seat Geek. It is a very simple and convenient process as a seller and equally as simple as a buyer.
Instead of doing construction on a beautiful new stadium, maybe take that $ and dedicate to a first class ticket exchange (where the university can charge handling fees and make money off the transaction)
This is surely years down the road I would think. It’s still a brand new facility.
This is what I would take advantage of. I would extend the upperdeck grandstand seating to behind both berms which would be angled to improve the sight line while adding a row of concourse chairbacks like we have now from 1st to 3rd. The club level area at the top of the new grandstands would be covered and would remain open but would have a tiered standing rail like the standing area in the Scoreboard Club at Davis Wade.
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lol because getting new fans to come and buy season tickets would never happen. AD has to be forward thinking.
I agree this is where you could get innovative. Build an upperdeck over the current walking area, and you also get some shade and rain protection.
Yeah it's really this simple. We took a big step in the right direction with that cheaper season ticket option for unused seats. The next step is an online exchange and honestly our problem likely disappears.
Can't imagine, with a waiting list, that they would build chair backs and designate them as GA only
Part of the problem is 3-4 years ago, we had no way to expect that the program would rise considerably. And there's no reason at this point to think our best days aren't yet to come. Lemonis and staff are recruiting at a level we haven't seen in decades. Long story short, we're going to be good for a while. There is a build it and they will come theory that wasn't fully realized also. When these things are planned, you're gambling on yourself. It just so happens that with our hires we made, we hit the jackpot. Call it the price of doing your job right if nothing else. I'd venture to say 4 years ago, most sensible people would have said a 12,000 seat stadium was adequate. Prior to the new stadium, we weren't pushing those numbers except for once a year or so during super bulldog weekend.
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My issue with the process then, and still now, is the athletic department never did make clear that the 10 year commitment was going to be the ONLY way to purchase season tickets in a chairback. I didn’t want to pay a large up front fee for 10 years, but might have bought single year season tickets, or even a shorter term commitment. I don’t think the athletic department ever got a true measure of the demand. They did not account for any of the single year demand that exists,, or get all of the 10 year commitments that they could have if they had clarified that chairbacks would again be completely sold out in the new stadium.
That’s way oversimplifying it. He gave people 3 years to decide whether they wanted to commit 10+ years of their life to buying MSU season baseball tickets. That’s how the initial stadium size was set. That’s not a 3-year decision, it’s a 5 second decision. The way the seating agreements were structured made it completely incommitable for 95% of our fanbase, many of whom would have attended multiple series per year even if they weren’t there for most of the games.
The only people that could have even considered such an investment were empty nesters, single folks or couples who had no intention of ever having kids, and families that live in Starkville. Pretty much rules out just about anyone who graduated from MSU after, say, 2000 or so unless they live in town or don’t have kids.
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If those empty seats result in revenue for the athletic department, then yeah we should want that. Just cause a seat is empty for a game does not mean there is not a season ticket holder that paid the seat. If we want every seat full for every game then we need to have about 1000 chairback seats.
We've sold out every seat in the stadium for 40 years, they'd be fools not to "consider" adding more seats. I'm assuming they designed the stadium with future expansion in mind- they're not going in without a plan.
Like others in this thread have mentioned, though, there are higher priorities elsewhere so we're no doubt still several years away. *Could* coincide with the expiration of current seat licenses, which were 10 year deals, but that's obviously just me speculating.
I wish there were a way to expand behind where the "standing rails" are and do another tiered berm there.
Like others in this thread have mentioned, though, there are higher priorities elsewhere so we're no doubt still several years away. *Could* coincide with the expiration of current seat licenses, which were 10 year deals, but that's obviously just me speculating.
I wish there were a way to expand behind where the "standing rails" are and do another tiered berm there.
I don’t know how feasible it would be but sections of chair backs on top of the lofts would look pretty cool. Of course, this idea comes from Wrigley Field.
Average Fan Issues...
There needs to be a deep dive in to the experience for the average fan. Most out of town folks cannot commit to season tickets as you do not know (if you have kids) what you will be doing weekend to weekend. If you look up a week out (some times shorter) and decide to go to a game, to put it bluntly, it sucks.
Carrying chairs from BFE to the berms. You have to get there, with small kids in tow, 2 hours before first pitch to find a spot to put your chairs. My younger ones are usually ready to go before the game even starts. When you get done you can look forward to packing up camp and hauling it all back to BFE, with hot, tired kids in tow. Certainly makes the decision to go much more difficult. Especially when the kids aren’t enthused about going.
I think the ticket exchange is the way to go. I would go to 4-5 series a year if I could sit in a chair like a human. I currently go to maybe 1-2 per year only because my oldest is obsessed with State baseball (and football and basketball for that matter). I’m sure there are thousands of others like me that would love to go more, but it’s just too much hassle.
There needs to be a deep dive in to the experience for the average fan. Most out of town folks cannot commit to season tickets as you do not know (if you have kids) what you will be doing weekend to weekend. If you look up a week out (some times shorter) and decide to go to a game, to put it bluntly, it sucks.
Carrying chairs from BFE to the berms. You have to get there, with small kids in tow, 2 hours before first pitch to find a spot to put your chairs. My younger ones are usually ready to go before the game even starts. When you get done you can look forward to packing up camp and hauling it all back to BFE, with hot, tired kids in tow. Certainly makes the decision to go much more difficult. Especially when the kids aren’t enthused about going.
I think the ticket exchange is the way to go. I would go to 4-5 series a year if I could sit in a chair like a human. I currently go to maybe 1-2 per year only because my oldest is obsessed with State baseball (and football and basketball for that matter). I’m sure there are thousands of others like me that would love to go more, but it’s just too much hassle.
Helluva plan.. but it'll be some expensive construction. You'll have to add the structural supports and there is some valuable real estate under you. On the 1st base side you're building over a room housing a $250K emergency generator. 3rd base is slightly easier but you're a considerable distance from the ground due to the elevation there.
