So how is LSU not on probation?

[Bucky Dog]

We have our tutor thing and self report and get sanctions, yet I’m sitting here thinking how LSU has the CEO of a hospital indicted for embezzling $500K to pay players. And then the Will Wade basketball thing is ridiculous. How is he not fired and their program not in trouble??

maybe the NCAA is looking into LSU but for some reason I’m thinking not. The NCAA is a joke!

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

We have our tutor thing and self report and get sanctions, yet I’m sitting here thinking how LSU has the CEO of a hospital indicted for embezzling $500K to pay players. And then the Will Wade basketball thing is ridiculous.

They are LSU and we are not.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

It’s amazing how quickly that story died.

 

[Willow Grove Dawg]

They will receive severe sanctions for basketball - it is just a matter of when. They will probably skate up with giving up a handful of scholarships in football.

 

[jethreauxdawg]

Similar to UNC

The NCAA can just say they don’t have a rule about school presidents embezzling money. That’s not their domain, and unless someone brings in video evidence from 3 different angles, and a signed receipt, there is no proof any money ever went to athletes.

 

[Drebin]

I don't know that it's an NCAA thing as much as it's just our own overzealous compliance department. I'm not saying the players shouldn't be held accountable, but three years probation with scholarship reductions, visit limits, and fines are extremely excessive for something that wasn't institutional in nature. The kicker is that the NCAA accepted the punishment, but we were the ones that recommended it, mostly.

I think most programs would figure out a way to handle this internally instead of burning themselves at the stake.

 

[maroonmania]

We have our tutor thing and self report and get sanctions, yet I’m sitting here thinking how LSU has the CEO of a hospital indicted for embezzling $500K to pay players. And then the Will Wade basketball thing is ridiculous. How is he not fired and their program not in trouble??

maybe the NCAA is looking into LSU but for some reason I’m thinking not. The NCAA is a joke!

Apparently one college student cheating for another student is a much more serious offense than an adult booster paying players large sums of money.

 

[fishwater99]

I don't know that it's an NCAA thing as much as it's just our own overzealous compliance department. I'm not saying the players shouldn't be held accountable, but three years probation with scholarship reductions, visit limits, and fines are extremely excessive for something that wasn't institutional in nature. The kicker is that the NCAA accepted the punishment, but we were the ones that recommended it, mostly.

I think most programs would figure out a way to handle this internally instead of burning themselves at the stake.

^^This

 

[DancingRabbit]

I don't know that it's an NCAA thing as much as it's just our own overzealous compliance department. I'm not saying the players shouldn't be held accountable, but three years probation with scholarship reductions, visit limits, and fines are extremely excessive for something that wasn't institutional in nature. The kicker is that the NCAA accepted the punishment, but we were the ones that recommended it, mostly.

I think most programs would figure out a way to handle this internally instead of burning themselves at the stake.

To have tried to cover this up would have been stupid. Fortunately the folks in charge aren't stupid.

 

[Drebin]

To have tried to cover this up would have been stupid. Fortunately the folks in charge aren't stupid.

Nobody is advocating or suggesting covering anything up.

This is an academic issue to be handled by the school and not a systematic or institutional issue within the athletic department. This isn't like the Missouri situation. It was one tutor acting on her own.

I'd suggest that this very thing happens often, everywhere. You don't see every institution getting hammered with three years probation when it gets discovered.

 

[TheStateUofMS]

I think LSU is under investigation, so we know that process takes forever.

With our situation, we uncovered it and promptly investigated and submitted a resolution to the NCAA under the new "negotiated settlement" process. This eliminates a full fledged investigation and a cloud over your program if the NCAA accepts what we offered, which they did. So, it's over and done with. Case closed.

Now, you could argue that we offered too much. We probably did. I'm not sure if the NCAA can counter offer penalties or tell us to go back to the drawing board, but the bottom line is we decided to rip the band-aid off, and knowing who Bracky is, he likely offered too much. I think we the probationary period is what's excessive. The scholly reductions and visit limits weren't that big of a deal.

 

[DancingRabbit]

Nobody is advocating or suggesting covering anything up.

This is an academic issue to be handled by the school and not a systematic or institutional issue within the athletic department. This isn't like the Missouri situation. It was one tutor acting on her own.

I'd suggest that this very thing happens often, everywhere. You don't see every institution getting hammered with three years probation when it gets discovered.

It was all athletes. You have to self-report it. It doesn't have to be systematic or institutional to be a violation that requires reporting.

If you don't report it, now you have institutional cheating.

 

[Drebin]

It was all athletes. You have to self-report it. It doesn't have to be systematic or institutional to be a violation that requires reporting.

If you don't report it, now you have institutional cheating.

aGAIN, you are getting hung up on a cover up. I'm not advocating that. We can act swiftly and decisively, put better controls in place, report it, and demonstrate institutional control without sacrificing ourselves to the NCAA gods over the actions of one tutor.

 

[tired]

It was all athletes. You have to self-report it. It doesn't have to be systematic or institutional to be a violation that requires reporting.

If you don't report it, now you have institutional cheating.

Report it, yea, but our compliance recommended way too much. I think someone is just drawing a check at this point.

 

[Go Budaw]

It was all athletes. You have to self-report it. It doesn't have to be systematic or institutional to be a violation that requires reporting.

If you don't report it, now you have institutional cheating.

Just because it was all athletes doesn’t mean that it was a requirement to get the benefit / service. I’m sure if a random Joe Blow student walked up from the KA house and offered the same money the athletes were paying for the same test taking service, they would receive it. And who knows, maybe they did. This was a person that was not a full time university employee that was out doing something on their own to make some money. Not a systemic problem or inducement for recruiting, or any form of benefit that affects amateurism.

 

[Seinfeld]

Or at a minimum, don’t throw out a lengthy list of self-imposed sanctions on a silver platter in hopes that the NCAA won’t hammer you. Aside from situations involving repeat offenders, when has the NCAA been hard on anyone lately?

I’m sure this will annoy some folks for me to say this, but if this whole deal truly was about a one-off rogue tutor, I don’t see any way that MSU comes forward with those penalties. Even if it was, it’s laughable to think our various staffs had zero idea as to what was transpiring. Here are some kids whose eligibility impacts tens of millions of dollars throughout the college football economy, but we’ll assign them a tutor with no further surveillance and just hope that everything works out. I’m sure that’s what happens

I say all that to say that folk are welcome to believe what they hear and read, but the reality is that this could’ve gotten very, very ugly. My belief is that we did what we did to get the NCAA out of our hair as fast as humanly possible

 

[bulldogbaja]

In GENERAL, the NCAA cares much more about what happens once they are enrolled than what happened before.
I think that the NCAA suspects that, if it ever came down to it and they were challenged in court, they would be told that they had no jurisdiction over high school athletes and that their definition of "amateur" is arbitrary and not enforceable. That's why they never seem to "hammer" these schools about recruiting stuff.

 

[maroonmania]

To have tried to cover this up would have been stupid. Fortunately the folks in charge aren't stupid.

Maybe so, but I would be willing to bet that at 9 out of 10 schools this type situation would have been taken care of internally within the school and never reported to the NCAA. And by taken care of I mean somebody in the school that got wind of this would just go to the tutor and tell them to cut it out NOW and don't ever do it again. What we just got probation for, I would be willing to wager money has happened at many, many schools all across the country but you certainly aren't hearing about schools going on probation for it.

 

[gwadSIG]

aGAIN, you are getting hung up on a cover up. I'm not advocating that. We can act swiftly and decisively, put better controls in place, report it, and demonstrate institutional control without sacrificing ourselves to the NCAA gods over the actions of one tutor.

Could it be possible that we sacrificed a portion to save the whole? Sometimes it's better to offer up something rather than to have them dig deeper and find much more. Could we use some more legal influence in compliance? Probably so.

 

[KentuckyDawg13]

L$U

 

[Drebin]

Could it be possible that we sacrificed a portion to save the whole? Sometimes it's better to offer up something rather than to have them dig deeper and find much more. Could we use some more legal influence in compliance? Probably so.

I'm sure that's what we were trying to do. But we have a habit of doing that. We did the same thing with the Will Redmond deal. No other program in the SEC does it this way and at some point we have to do a better job. I'm all about accountability and if we screw up, it's on us. But this **** is excessive.

 

[paindonthurt_]

I’ve got no problem with going to the ncaa but I do have an issue on why we were so harsh on ourself.
Go with what we said and 1 year probation and it’s pretty damn solid.

 

[The Fatboy]

3 years probation and 4 schollies over two years and no bowl ban is not the excessive.

 

[Bucky Dog]

So let’s get back to LSU. How is this not systemic cheating? There are audio recordings of Wade and players saying they received money from the Lake CEO to go to LSU! Is this not open and shut cases on both???

do they take the OM approach and fight and make allegations and deny for 3 years and get a wrist slap?
Why is this not headlines on ESPN or otherwise. Like someone said, it’s crazy how this just blended in somewhere and isn’t talked about now.

 

[deanbar]

mizzou is ticked

mizzou is pissed that they got hammered worse than we did.....

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/m...lties-for-tigers-were-excessive-inconsistent/

 

[Go Budaw]

I'm sure that's what we were trying to do. But we have a habit of doing that. We did the same thing with the Will Redmond deal. No other program in the SEC does it this way and at some point we have to do a better job. I'm all about accountability and if we screw up, it's on us. But this **** is excessive.

Agreed. The worst part is in recruiting we are now have to walk the tightrope with no margin for error for the next 8 years (3 years probation + 5 year repeat offender window) after we JUST got off the 5 year window from the Redmond deal. When you add it altogether, by the time 2027 rolls around it will end up being something like 12 out of 14 years where will have been either on probation or inside the repeat offender window from tutor gate and Redmond. It definitely has an effect on recruiting.

 

[gwadSIG]

I'm sure that's what we were trying to do. But we have a habit of doing that. We did the same thing with the Will Redmond deal. No other program in the SEC does it this way and at some point we have to do a better job. I'm all about accountability and if we screw up, it's on us. But this **** is excessive.

Agree to an extent, but with DeVinner on the hook to sing to the NCAA, I guess we had to do what we had to do. It does seem like we punish the athletes themselves a little more than other institutions which probably hurts in recruiting.

 

[Drebin]

Agree to an extent, but with DeVinner on the hook to sing to the NCAA, I guess we had to do what we had to do. It does seem like we punish the athletes themselves a little more than other institutions which probably hurts in recruiting.

Devinner wasn't exactly credible. We could have fallen on the sword without cutting our own heads off and effectively killing Redmond's career.

 

[PreacherDog]

I don't know that it's an NCAA thing as much as it's just our own overzealous compliance department. I'm not saying the players shouldn't be held accountable, but three years probation with scholarship reductions, visit limits, and fines are extremely excessive for something that wasn't institutional in nature. The kicker is that the NCAA accepted the punishment, but we were the ones that recommended it, mostly.

I think most programs would figure out a way to handle this internally instead of burning themselves at the stake.

What our guys did would get them kicked out of many schools. I'm surprised they weren't actually.
As for compliance, I'm ok with punishment even though it is harsh because what hurt was for Ole Miss was the cloud of the investigation. They made it worse by appealing and losing which kept it in the news. Recruits held that against them.

 

[Nunya.sixpack]

Efficient way to launder money...through a charity ....kinda like somebody's diddy that ran several churches around alabama that needed repairs.

 

[Grove Sh*tter]

I heard we recommended 4 game suspensions and nothing about scholarships. The NCAA came back and said 8 games plus the other stuff. We thought about appealing, but we thought it better to just bite it and put it to bed.

In any event, I think (and it's been already articulated well on this board) that all participants should be expelled for academic fraud. That's the norm outside of athletics. That's what happened to the tutor. The money in "amateur athletics" has gotten out of control, and it makes people in leadership of learning institutions do things that are unconscionable.

They may as well pay the athletes with a salary cap. This would theoretically level the field for talent acquisition and whack up some of the revenue to the folks who actually bring in the crowds. This would undoubtedly be tough to navigate properly as well, but it's a thought.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

It's the same reason you'll get a $150 fine for driving 45 in a 35 and admitting to the cops you were speeding, but the local a-hole politician gets nothing for 70 on that same stretch of road when he gets pulled over and miraculously after the fact they realize the cop 17ed up the breathalyzer.