Generations

[CochiseCowbell]

In lieu of making the Fall Ball thread too lengthy I chose to start this one. Johnson, this may answer your question about Goat:

Currently, five generations make up our society. Each of those five generations has an active role in the marketplace. Depending on the specific workplace, the workforce includes four to five generations. Here are the birth years for each generation:

• Gen Z, iGen, or Centennials: Born 1996 – TBD
• Millennials or Gen Y: Born 1977 – 1995
• Generation X: Born 1965 – 1976
• Baby Boomers: Born 1946 – 1964
• Traditionalists or Silent Generation: Born 1945 and before

I'm willing to bet most people would disagree with where they supposedly fit or are labeled. I recently saw this and thought nope, Millennials are not 40 years old.

I'm not trashing that generation at all, just pointing out that the labels seem way off to what most people think. I prefer the Gap Generation or Oregon Trail Generation for myself as an '82 child. We grew up with a childhood both before and after the internet.

Discuss amongst yourselves. "I'm all veclempft."

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Strauss and Howe. I've read their books. The start date for Millennials have to be around the start of Reagan's presidency. Being a Gen Xer myself, it looks like my generation group will be outnumbered 3 to 1 by millenials in the workplace in a little over five years.

 

[TheStateUofMS]

In lieu of making the Fall Ball thread too lengthy I chose to start this one. Johnson, this may answer your question about Goat:

Currently, five generations make up our society. Each of those five generations has an active role in the marketplace. Depending on the specific workplace, the workforce includes four to five generations. Here are the birth years for each generation:

• Gen Z, iGen, or Centennials: Born 1996 – TBD
• Millennials or Gen Y: Born 1977 – 1995
• Generation X: Born 1965 – 1976
• Baby Boomers: Born 1946 – 1964
• Traditionalists or Silent Generation: Born 1945 and before

I'm willing to bet most people would disagree with where they supposedly fit or are labeled. I recently saw this and thought nope, Millennials are not 40 years old.

I'm not trashing that generation at all, just pointing out that the labels seem way off to what most people think. I prefer the Gap Generation or Oregon Trail Generation for myself as an '82 child. We grew up with a childhood both before and after the internet.

Discuss amongst yourselves. "I'm all veclempft."

The Millennial generation is too broad. The internet changes everything. I was born in 1989, so I remember, very vividly, a the pre-internet era and then as it slowly rolled out. I remember being about 10 years old and my friend up the street got something called DSL and things really started changing after that.

Perhaps Millennials should have started in 1977 and gone to 1990ish.

 

[wpmusm]

Strauss-Howe’s cycles are a little different than the cycles in the OP. Pew Research’s generations to me are more accurate. OP looks to be from Pew.

According to Strauss-Howe, the baby boomer generation started in 1943. I don’t agree with that at all. The whole point of the baby boom generation is that soldiers came home from WW2 and started fornicating like crazy.

Strauss-Howe also says that the millennial generation goes to 2004, which I think is wrong. IMO, the millennial generation goes to 1995 or 1996. My litmus test on this would be if you remember 9/11. If you do, you’re a millennial. If you don’t, you’re gen Z.

FWIW, here are Strauss-Howe’s generations in comparison to what is in the OP:

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[Maroon Eagle]

Good point re: OP.

Strauss-Howe starts with 1943 for Baby Boomers because they emphasize the crises that occur when the generations become adults.

Baby Boom's crisis would be Vietnam and Millennial's would be The War Against Terror to give a couple examples.

 

[Cousin Jeffrey]

According to wikipedia, the source of "the best possible information"...
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation#List_of_generations

 

[BlueRidgeMtns]

I was born in '86... it seems to me when people ***** about millennials they are mostly bitching about the people currently in their mid to early 20s.

Either way, the generational hate is dumb as 17. I swear, if I see one more "Millennials killed (insert whatever product/service)" article I'm going to lose it.

 

[johnson86-1]

In lieu of making the Fall Ball thread too lengthy I chose to start this one. Johnson, this may answer your question about Goat:

Currently, five generations make up our society. Each of those five generations has an active role in the marketplace. Depending on the specific workplace, the workforce includes four to five generations. Here are the birth years for each generation:

• Gen Z, iGen, or Centennials: Born 1996 – TBD
• Millennials or Gen Y: Born 1977 – 1995
• Generation X: Born 1965 – 1976
• Baby Boomers: Born 1946 – 1964
• Traditionalists or Silent Generation: Born 1945 and before

I'm willing to bet most people would disagree with where they supposedly fit or are labeled. I recently saw this and thought nope, Millennials are not 40 years old.

I'm not trashing that generation at all, just pointing out that the labels seem way off to what most people think. I prefer the Gap Generation or Oregon Trail Generation for myself as an '82 child. We grew up with a childhood both before and after the internet.

Discuss amongst yourselves. "I'm all veclempft."

That's not too far off of what I would have guessed if I had thought about it. I would have thought the oldest millennials were ones that were leaving high school and entering "adulthood" in 2000. I think most people in their head have converted Millennials into basically "early thirties or younger in extended adolescence". I have certainly jumped completely on board with bashing the youngest generation in the workforce, but I think for every young worker that shows a little bit of professionalism and making steps towards adulthood I think of as older than they are.

 

[KingCharlesSpaniel]

The Millennial generation is too broad. The internet changes everything. I was born in 1989, so I remember, very vividly, a the pre-internet era and then as it slowly rolled out. I remember being about 10 years old and my friend up the street got something called DSL and things really started changing after that.

Perhaps Millennials should have started in 1977 and gone to 1990ish.

The Internet as YOU remember it whippersnapper! Some of us had been using email and reading usenet (and ftping files around) for 9 years before you were born
Then that newfangled graphical web browser mosaic came along in 1993 and ruined everything!

 

[wpmusm]

I think a lot of people confuse millennials and gen Z.

In early 2018, you had the whole thing about dumbasses eating Tide pods. A lot of boomers and gen Xers were like “those dang millennials and their tide pods.” But most of the people eating laundry detergent were gen Z, not millennials. If you google “tide pods millennials” lots of results do come up.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

As someone born in 89, the Internet came along just in time for puberty. No more masturbating from imagination like in the dark ages. The glory days had arrived.

 

[TheStateUofMS]

You didn't print off a few pictures from the web and store them under the mattress???? You were really missing out man. Those still shots were hawt.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

You didn't print off a few pictures from the web and store them under the mattress???? You were really missing out man. Those still shots were hawt.

I had a couple nudie mags, but they were rendered useless by brazzers pretty quickly.

Big Naturals was a site I frequented often.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

I'm going to go with large scale cultural events that are the first such shared memories that define the generations. Vietnam doesn't qualify since the experience for someone going off to fight is a lot different from a protestor or someone disqualified from going.

You probably have to be seven or eight to really appreciate a major event. You could have been three when 9/11 happened but you won't remember it. So I'll go with a few to loosely define the generations.

Greatest generation: Pearl Harbor (America under attack and going all out to fight back)
Pre to early Baby Boom: Brown decision (your society is going to change)
Mid to late Baby Boom: Kennedy assassination and moon landing (tragedy and technological triumph)
Generation X: Challenger and Chernobyl (let's get cynical about technology and everything else)
Millennials: 9/11 (Pearl Harbor broadcast on live TV, a brief period of the illusion of unity, and then political arguments get ramped up)
Gen Z: Trump (Obama's election is more historical, but Trump's unexpected win had more cultural shock)

 

[Jeffreauxdawg]

Pew research is possibly the best source when it comes to to public opinion research, demographic data, and social research in the US. Mrs Socks is a marketing exec for a big company and says they use pew as the definitive guide on this stuff... But she admits there is a weird group from 75ish to 85ish which is often referred to as the Oregon Trail generation..

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The use of 1977 as a millennial beginning is silly, but it's not Gen X either.. my brother was born in 72' and was completely different. I think the 76-82 group should be separated out..

As a 41 year old born in 1978 I am a Goonie. I was both a latchkey kid and used internet chatrooms as a kid. I remember putting my phone receiver on the modem to dial up, I watched Return of the Jedi and Gremlins in the theater, **** we had an AMC Gremlin that was the same age as me, my trophies were earned, travel ball was for the all Star team picked at the end of the season when it was clear who the best players in the league were, I had Dukes of Hazard bed sheets and a pair of Roos with a zipper pouch, I did jumping jacks in class with Arnold Schwarzenegger on TV leading the charge, I ducked under the desk for bomb drills cause 17 the Soviets, millenials were old enough to understand 9/11, but we were old enough to jump on a plane to go whip some *** the next day, Tear Down This Wall Mr Gorbachev, Pitfall>Mario Brothers, and I watched this happen live..

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[Goat Holding Inc]

Bottom line: Old, bitter, jaded people suck. Just because you have life experience doesn't make you an authority if 1 - you've never done anything worth a crap, and 2 - you don't use your experience to help people.

So many old crusties nowadays don't care about anyone but themselves and their own retirement. They still act like they are 17. Doesn't matter what generation. You know why the silent generation didn't do that by and large? Because they survived a world war and the rest of their lives were spent trying to make the world a better place.

I mean, why be an old *******? You were obviously able to live a long life, which is not guaranteed. You'll be checking out in a few years and all the young people have to deal with what you leave behind. Help them out. I see a ton of potential in the young people today.

Just my viewpoint.

 

[Seinfeld]

As his table leaves me out of the Millenial group, I fully endorse him as the resident expert on this matter

 

[mstateglfr]

As a 38 year old, I have always disagreed that I am a millennial. I thought I was part of GenY...only to eventually find out that label turned into 'millennial'.


GenX ends in '77.
Oregon Trail Gen is '78-'84.
Millennial Gen is '85-'95.
GenZ is '96-'12

There. That's how it should be. If marketers and sociologists want to bundle massive groups together, this is how.

Saying someone in 1980 and someone in 1994 should be marketed together is 17ing dumb. Technology completely changed generation discussions and trends.

A short Oregon Trail Generation can be viewed as an in between transitional generation. A lost generation. Whatever you want to view it as- it's different from GenX and different from Millennial, even though it isn't long in years.

 

[ScoobaDawg]

.. But she admits there is a weird group from 75ish to 85ish which is often referred to as the Oregon Trail generation..

Yep... that's me and i ignore anyone who just blindly lumps me in with the Millennial group.

https://socialmediaweek.org/blog/2015/04/oregon-trail-generation/

I agree with all the points to a point with that link that define my "group" except I never used AOL, instead using BBS systems that gave you access to the real internet instead of AOL's corner of the world. I used juno as my first e-mail system. The AOL and Prodigy disks were good because you could reformat them and reuse them. Cd's were just fun to blow up in the microwave or do other assorted things with.
Next, Napster was for the masses and slow.. so I stuck with usenet and IRC. What can I say.. I've always gone against the mainstream.

 

[GloryDawg]

There are more Millennials then Baby-Boomers. We need to get their asses to work to save Social Security.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

There are more Millennials then Baby-Boomers. We need to get their asses to work to save Social Security.

Well, the ones that work need to get paid more (not talking about fast food). Wages havent exactly kept up with inflation. The past 30 years.

 

[TheStateUofMS]

Strauss-Howe’s cycles are a little different than the cycles in the OP. Pew Research’s generations to me are more accurate. OP looks to be from Pew.

According to Strauss-Howe, the baby boomer generation started in 1943. I don’t agree with that at all. The whole point of the baby boom generation is that soldiers came home from WW2 and started fornicating like crazy.

Strauss-Howe also says that the millennial generation goes to 2004, which I think is wrong. IMO, the millennial generation goes to 1995 or 1996. My litmus test on this would be if you remember 9/11. If you do, you’re a millennial. If you don’t, you’re gen Z.

FWIW, here are Strauss-Howe’s generations in comparison to what is in the OP:

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This is actually the one that gets more mainstream attention if I'm not mistaken. That's why I was so surprised the OP had Millenials ending in 1995.

 

[dudehead]

This generation talk matters not; us boomers have destroyed the future of all Americans. Read it and weep:

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ccce16-eef8-11e6-b4ff-ac2cf509efe5_story.html

 

[GloryDawg]

Well, the ones that work need to get paid more (not talking about fast food). Wages havent exactly kept up with inflation. The past 30 years.

When I graduated in 1992 I got a job with McCarty Farms making 22,500 a year as a line supervisor. When I relies that wasn't enough money, know what I did? I f ******* changed jobs.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

All the complaining about Millennials is unfounded.

Participation trophies : Our parents were handing them out to us. Was that our decision? If you gave them to us because we whined about about it as kids, you're worse than we are. If not, then shut up because this is on you.
Irresponsibly racking up student loan debt : Who the 17 do you think is setting the prices for schools? And making the rules about loans? It ain't the borrowers. So when our tuition shoots through the roof to pay some worthless Boomer and Gen X administrators' salaries, don't look at us.
Lazy and unemployed : Yeah, the millennial unemployment rate is high, but who is making the hiring decisions? Those millenials aren't going to hire themselves. Or maybe they could go start a business? Oh yeah, with what money? The bank won't loan them any more because of student loan debt. Unless they want to go back to school in which case, by all means, we'll pile it on.

 

[GloryDawg]

All the complaining about Millennials is unfounded.

Participation trophies : Our parents were handing them out to us. Was that our decision? If you gave them to us because we whined about about it as kids, you're worse than we are. If not, then shut up because this is on you.
Irresponsibly racking up student loan debt : Who the 17 do you think is setting the prices for schools? And making the rules about loans? It ain't the borrowers. So when our tuition shoots through the roof to pay some worthless Boomer and Gen X administrators' salaries, don't look at us.
Lazy and unemployed : Yeah, the millennial unemployment rate is high, but who is making the hiring decisions? Those millenials aren't going to hire themselves. Or maybe they could go start a business? Oh yeah, with what money? The bank won't loan them any more because of student loan debt. Unless they want to go back to school in which case, by all means, we'll pile it on.

I don't make fun of Millenials. I give that generation credit. They fought two wars at the same time. Those were Millenials going to Iraq and Afghanistan. Maybe the last of the Baby Boomer and many Gen X but Majority was Millenials.

 

[Goat Holding Inc]

All the complaining about Millennials is unfounded.

Participation trophies : Our parents were handing them out to us. Was that our decision? If you gave them to us because we whined about about it as kids, you're worse than we are. If not, then shut up because this is on you.
Irresponsibly racking up student loan debt : Who the 17 do you think is setting the prices for schools? And making the rules about loans? It ain't the borrowers. So when our tuition shoots through the roof to pay some worthless Boomer and Gen X administrators' salaries, don't look at us.
Lazy and unemployed : Yeah, the millennial unemployment rate is high, but who is making the hiring decisions? Those millenials aren't going to hire themselves. Or maybe they could go start a business? Oh yeah, with what money? The bank won't loan them any more because of student loan debt. Unless they want to go back to school in which case, by all means, we'll pile it on.

Agree with both you and Glorydawg.

However, I stop agreeing when the conversation veers outside of the boomers looking down on the millenials. At the end of the day, no matter what the parents did, it's still up to any individual person to make his/her way in the world.

But boomers have ZERO room to talk....about anybody.

 

[FQDawg]

When I graduated in 1992 I got a job with McCarty Farms making 22,500 a year as a line supervisor. When I relies that wasn't enough money, know what I did? I f ******* changed jobs.

Thanks for the input into how the economy worked for you almost 30 years ago, Gramps. That's certainly relevant to how the economy has worked for vast swaths of people in the last 5-10 years. Were Cokes a nickel back then, too?

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

When I graduated in 1992 I got a job with McCarty Farms making 22,500 a year as a line supervisor. When I relies that wasn't enough money, know what I did? I f ******* changed jobs.

I’m sure you understand how not everybody making 22,500 can up and change jobs on a whim...as there isn’t enough high paying jobs. Or maybe you don’t understand that, I don’t know.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

Agree with both you and Glorydawg.

However, I stop agreeing when the conversation veers outside of the boomers looking down on the millenials. At the end of the day, no matter what the parents did, it's still up to any individual person to make his/her way in the world.

But boomers have ZERO room to talk....about anybody.

I agree that individuals are responsible for making their way in the world, but when the system, the rules, and the deck are stacked against them, don't fault people for wanting to fight back and change the rules. When the youth see that they have gone into crippling debt to enrich the older generations, can't get a worthwhile job to pay off that debt, and when they do have a good chunk of their paycheck sucked up to pay for retirement benefits for the older generations they enriched, is it really hard to see why they're acting the way they are.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a bleeding heart and I'm not a socialist. But I understand.

 

[olblue.sixpack]

All the complaining about Millennials is unfounded.

Participation trophies : Our parents were handing them out to us. Was that our decision? If you gave them to us because we whined about about it as kids, you're worse than we are. If not, then shut up because this is on you.
Irresponsibly racking up student loan debt : Who the 17 do you think is setting the prices for schools? And making the rules about loans? It ain't the borrowers. So when our tuition shoots through the roof to pay some worthless Boomer and Gen X administrators' salaries, don't look at us.
Lazy and unemployed : Yeah, the millennial unemployment rate is high, but who is making the hiring decisions? Those millenials aren't going to hire themselves. Or maybe they could go start a business? Oh yeah, with what money? The bank won't loan them any more because of student loan debt. Unless they want to go back to school in which case, by all means, we'll pile it on.

Boom goes the dynamite.

 

[Dawgzilla]

I suppose anyone who falls on the margins of the generational identities struggles to see themselves as part of one generation or the other, but I have always considered people close to my age to be the "Tweeners", falling between the Baby Boomers and Gen X. There have been books written about us, although I'm not interested enough to read them. I was born in 64, and really anyone born from about 60 to 64 cannot fully identify with the Boomers. We don't remember Kennedy, and we weren't old enough for Viet Nam. I barely remember the moon landing (I was 4), and I had no idea Woodstock was even a thing. My first political memory was Wallace getting shot.

But I'm no Gen Xer, either, damn slackers.

I thought the millenials were younger than that, but I quit keeping up. I guess its Gen Z that is worthless.

 

[Bcash2]

^^ doesn't understand what "wages haven't exactly kept up with inflation" means.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

^^ doesn't understand what "wages haven't exactly kept up with inflation" means.

Care to explain?

 

[mstateglfr]

Care to explain?

Bcash is replying to glorydog's comment about how he chose to just change jobs to make more money 3 decades ago.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

Bcash is replying to glorydog's comment about how he chose to just change jobs to make more money 3 decades ago.

Ah. I read on mobile style so I don’t see who the direct replies are to.

 

[mcdawg22]

I think generalizing people based one one trait, (the year they were born) is one of the dumbest mistakes we make as a species. We are the most complex organism walking this planet but we continue to try and use math to predict our behaviors. We can’t even predict the economy, how in the hell are we going to predict humans?

 

[Jeffreauxdawg]

...When the youth see that they have gone into crippling debt to enrich the older generations, can't get a worthwhile job to pay off that debt, and when they do have a good chunk of their paycheck sucked up to pay for retirement benefits for the older generations they enriched, is it really hard to see why they're acting the way they are.

This is why millenials get a bad wrap.. it's somebody else's fault.. Well let's hit each item.

Debt... We will assume you are talking about student loans, that is on you. Couldn't earn a scholarship out of high school? Go to a juco and bust your *** for 2 years and save a ton and get a transfer scholarship. Join the military... Active, reserves, or national guard all have great benefits post 9/11. ****, work your way through school... With that said I agree costs have gotten out of control, but it's still up to you to find a better way.

Can't get a worthwhile job... This is the entitlement. Everyone starts at a suck *** job out of college. Always have. A college degree does nothing but prove you have the aptitude to learn what you need to know at your job. Employers want experience. Since the dawn of time college grads have started in the mailroom, working retail, digging ditches, shoveling ****... Nobody else made such a big 17ing deal about it.... In millenials defense, this is a parenting problem as well... Parents didn't do a great job preparing them for hard work in many cases.

Paycheck getting sucked up to pay for older generations... Medicare and Social Security hasn't changed in 30 years, again we have all been through it.

Each generation has there issues. Boomers spend what they don't have. X'rs are slackers and generally do just enough to not get fired. Millenials whine. As a tweener, I guess that makes me a slacker and a whiner.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

I'm not saying that it's always someone else's fault. Just saying how each generation should try to make the world a better place for the next. I don't think the Boomers have done that. And I think a lot of the crap started with the tail end of the "Greatest Generation." After all, the decision to get into Vietnam wasn't the Boomers'. And they also created the wonderful student loan system.

And millennials don't have a monopoly on complaining. That is demonstrated about the sheer level of complaining about millennials complaining.

The only reason I'm whining about it is that I see the shitstorm ahead (I took out zero student loans and have held pretty good jobs). When you have a whole lot of young people of voting age with nothing to lose, it's scary.

 

[CochiseCowbell]

I'm glad we could have a pleasant discussion about this without any generations bitching about the the others.*

Generalizations are ******** & harmful on any level. See IMPP's latest safe for work post.

Yet, we do indeed have our differences. I was surprised what I was labeled by research. It's a macrocosm.

In a microcosm, I don't understand the hate Boomers get. My parents didn't screw up my life. I'm here of my own accord, decisions (good & bad), etc.

I'm a Xennial technically. I'm not referring to myself as anything that starts with an X, not even an X-MAN.