Dak turning down 30 million?

[GloryDawg]

It's a business and just like all business they are financial negotiations. I am sure Dak's agent knows what he is doing and I am sure it is his agent pulling the strings. You have to listen to your agent. That's why he gets his percentages. The agent will know when to back off. He wants to make money himself today and in the future with other clients. So he probably doing what is right for Dak to gain more clients in the future.

 

[Hump4Hoops]

Except that's exactly how it works nowadays.

 

[thatsbaseball]

I think we're all saying the same thing. " I hope Dak doesn't 17 this up".

 

[olblue.sixpack]

Your point about endorsements being better in Dallas is legit, but Dak still had/has to perform on the field to get those deals. Quincy Carter wasn't ever on TV selling me yogurt. So in that vein, at least 25% of the NFL would line up to pay Dak - what is Dallas's plan B at QB?

Well of course he has to perform to a certain level to be a thing. I thought that went without saying but you never know here anymore.

 

[dorndawg]

Well of course he has to perform to a certain level to be a thing. I thought that went without saying but you never know here anymore.

Seems worth mentioning, considering some seem to think the Cowboys are in some supreme position of strength in the negotiation.

 

[fishwater99]

Man, hope it doesn’t back fire on Dak. 30 mil a year seems extremely reasonable from both sides. If this is true, anyway.

He can't be that dumb to turn down 30 per year, maybe it's the number of years of the contract.

 

[Wizard.sixpack]

Why don't you keep Dak's name out of your mouth

he typed it so not in his mouth....

 

[Go Budaw]

Just because the eagles gave their QB bad contract doesn’t mean the cowboys automatically have to

It does if that’s what Dak wants, because it is 100% guaranteed that at least one of the other 31 teams in the league would pay that for guaranteed top half of the league QB performance from a 26-27 year old.

 

[Hump4Hoops]

Cowboys screwed up by waiting until the Eagles made their deal.

Drove the price right up. Should have seen it coming.

 

[hatfieldms]

So a guaranteed top half of the league QB should get top 5 QB money because that is what he wants? Ok

 

[Go Budaw]

So a guaranteed top half of the league QB should get top 5 QB money because that is what he wants? Ok

Not because its what he wants, because that is what SOMEBODY will pay him.

Dak is always welcome to take less than his market value to stay in Dallas, but the Wentz contract money is available if he wants it.

Also, your quote about “Top 5 money” needs a lot more context. If its just an extension, it won’t be Top 5 money period when you add his salary from this year into the total package. If they start the new deal right away, it still won’t be Top 5 money for long. Probably won’t even be Top 15 by the time he reaches the end of his deal.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

He either wants more guaranteed money, a longer deal, or for the deal to start right away. Again, this is an extension. If he gets 5 years / $30 million as an extension, that’s essentially only a 6-year / $20 million per year deal in average compensation for the next 6 years. Only if they rip up the last year of his rookie contract does he get to actually make anything close to comparable money to the other recent contracts signed by Wentz, Wilson, Cousins, etc. And again, even if you take the $30 million at face value, its still less than what Wentz got, who is a comparable player.

Nailed it. Leaked by Jerruh to build the bad press.

Hope still there for Dak to leave the most psychotic fan base on earth!!!

 

[RiverCityDawg]

Not because its what he wants, because that is what SOMEBODY will pay him.

Dak is always welcome to take less than his market value to stay in Dallas, but the Wentz contract money is available if he wants it.

Also, your quote about “Top 5 money” needs a lot more context. If its just an extension, it won’t be Top 5 money period when you add his salary from this year into the total package. If they start the new deal right away, it still won’t be Top 5 money for long. Probably won’t even be Top 15 by the time he reaches the end of his deal.

Great post. People beating the "top 5 money" drum do not understand how the starting QB market works.

 

[DancingRabbit]

Dak is currently the 79th highest paid NFL QB. Top 5 for a year is OK.

The cap is going up a lot over the next few years. Y'all don't be hatin' on Dak's money. It will be average in 2-3 years.


https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/quarterback/

 

[Misfit]

Exactly. If the Cowboys opening offer was $30 million, they are willing to pay more. If Dak told them he wants $36 million, he is willing to take less. Dak is a smart young man and a team player. He is not going to demand money that he thinks will hurt his team.

 

[Pnut]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...r-but-theres-more-to-than-meets-the-eye-here/

 

[Shamoan]

he needs to get top 5 pay now because in two years, it wont be top 5 anymore.

 

[Go Budaw]

Nailed it. Leaked by Jerruh to build the bad press.

Hope still there for Dak to leave the most psychotic fan base on earth!!!

Just reading between the lines, it seems pretty clear to me what is going on.

What Dak wants:
1) To average something like $30-$32 million per year in total compensation over the next 5-6 years (including 2019 season). Fair request, based on recent other contracts.
2) To have most of that money be guaranteed. Again, fair request.

What Dallas wants:
1) To NOT rip up the final year of Dak’s rookie contract. They are getting him at an absolute bargain basement price for one more year. If they jump straight from $2.3 million to $30 million against this year’s cap, it’s a huge bottom line hit that affects getting deals done with multiple other players this year. From a business side, this is fair on their end.
2) To give the PERCEPTION, based on dollars per year in the contract, that Dak is getting a good deal (not overpaid or underpaid), while saving as much money as possible. This is where the problem lies. $30 million per year for 5 years on an extension sounds fair at first glance, but really is only a $25 million per year over 6 years. That’s well below his market value. A 5 year / $35 million extension sounds completely outlandish given that Dak hasn’t exactly been super duper elite. But again, that’s only $29.5 million per year over 6 years with the $2.3 million in 2019 factored in. That’s just a smidge above Kirk Cousins money. Would anyone think Dak isn’t at least worth as much as Cousins?

Bottom line...Dallas is trying to have their cake and eat it too. They don’t want to start the new deal right away, but for PR purposes they also don’t want to give a record contract extension to a very good, but not yet elite QB (even though it’s not record money at all when you factor in his 2019 salary). Dak’s situation is probably one of the most unique in history, as there hasn’t been a guy drafted as late as he was that turned around and had as much success as he has had since Tom Brady. And that was way before the QB salary explosion. Dak is playing it the right way and telling the Jones’ to pay me now or pay me more later. He’s charging a premium for deferred compensation, as he should.

 

[CadaverDawg]

Brock Osweiler's agent would get him $40 mil per**

 

[Xenomorph]

Dak asking for $40M/year contract.

 

[Seinfeld]

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[olblue.sixpack]

Dak asking for $40M/year contract.

20%+ of the current cap.

 

[AlCoDog]

He should get an extra 10 million to have put up with that ridiculous fan base.

 

[dawgstudent]

Dak asking for $40M/year contract.

This is a PR problem for him. Worse thing that can happen is this getting played out in public.

 

[Dawg1976]

I love Dak but no way I would pay him that. $30mil with decent guaranteed money would be fair. Not sure what is fair in the guaranteed arena.

 

[msstate7]

Dak will probably end up having to play out contract this year if that's truly his number

 

[DancingRabbit]

That south end zone hotel is not gonna pay for itself.*

 

[olblue.sixpack]

That south end zone hotel is not gonna pay for itself.*

I recognize the asterisk but we all know this is going to trigger a "spending Dak's money" thread.

 

[DancingRabbit]

Sources say: FALSE

It's silly season

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[msstate7]

It's silly season

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I'm glad that's not true.

 

[Go Budaw]

The cap is going up a lot over the next few years. Y'all don't be hatin' on Dak's money. It will be average in 2-3 years.


https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/quarterback/

That’s just an incredible fact. On average, both the starter and the backup on EVERY SINGLE NFL TEAM is paid more than Dak.

 

[msstate7]

That’s just an incredible fact. On average, both the starter and the backup on EVERY SINGLE NFL TEAM is paid more than Dak.

Is anyone saying he shouldn't get a raise? I think the debate is if he should get top 5 QB money

 

[BoDawg.sixpack]

But should you? I don't think that argument works in reverse

How many women are being payed less than market value for their services when their husband is rich, or based on their prior earnings?

 

[Go Budaw]

Is anyone saying he shouldn't get a raise? I think the debate is if he should get top 5 QB money

No, nobody is saying that. I just called attention to how much value the Cowboys have been getting for going on 4 years now. And again, even if his extension is for $35 million per year, he STILL won’t be making Top 5 money on average if they don’t start it in 2019 (which seems all but impossible at this point). In 2020, Mahomes is gonna get damn near $40 million per year or more, Goff is going to get probably $35 million + per year long term, Wilson’s deal jumps up to where he will be averaging about $35-$36 million, and there may be a few other guys as well. The Top 5 money thing needs to die, because if Dak gets it at all it will only be for a nanosecond before he falls down the list with later contract extensions for other players. Nobody is saying he deserves Top 5 money over the long haul.

 

[morecowbell84]

Horrible move for an NFL game manager, Cowboys should trade him.

 

[RPOdawg]

The market says Dak is worth what he’s asking. Carson Wentz makes 32 M a year and dak is better than Wentz. Dak also hasn’t missed a game in 3 season, has had 14 4th quarter comebacks, and has all the intangibles/leadership skills you want in the face of your franchise. You never accept the first deal offered when negotiating...he has a good agent. He’ll get about 33-35 M per year when it’s all said and done and he’s worth it, based on the market.

 

[RPOdawg]

Dak...
2016: qbr = 78.8, rating = 104.9
2017: qbr = 69.5, rating = 86.6
2018: qbr = 58.6, rating = 96.9

Wentz...
2016: qbr = 49.4, rating = 79.3
2017: qbr = 77.2, rating = 101.9
2018: qbr = 64.9, rating = 102.2

That's their numbers. Again though, not sure what the eagles paying wentz has to do with the cowboys and dak.

Uhhh wut. It has everything to do with it. He’s not taking less money than Wentz...nor should he. He’s a better QB and has proven to be more durable.

 

[WrapItDog]

He’s not taking less money than Wentz....

The Cowboys could franchise tag Dak and he would have to play for aprox $26 million in 2020 and $31 million in 2021 or sit out. I don't think the Cowboys would do that but it is an option.

 

[GhostOfJackie]

I hardly think offering dak 30 million is insulting. I think that's a good deal for both parties

Except that it's not a good deal for Dak because it's not actually more like 25 a year over 6. Even if it was 30 over 6 it wouldn't be a good deal. Close but not acceptable.

 

[Go Budaw]

The Cowboys could franchise tag Dak and he would have to play for aprox $26 million in 2020 and $31 million in 2021 or sit out. I don't think the Cowboys would do that but it is an option.

Franchise tag salary = Average of Top 5 salaries at the position for that season.

In 2020, Mahomes will make $40 million+, Aaron Rodgers will make $32.6 million, Russell Wilson will make $31 million, Roethlisberger will be at $33.5 million, and Matt Ryan will make $33.5 million. That’s an average of $34.12 million. That’s what Dak will make in 2020 under the tag, not $26 million.

Even if you completely disregard the monster contract Mahomes is 100% guaranteed to get from the Chiefs next offseason, and replace it with the next largest known contract which is Kirk Cousins and his $31 million (it’s really hard to type that without laughing), you get an average of $32.3 million...again way over your $26 million number.

And that’s a classic example of why its almost always a terrible idea to put the franchise tag on a QB entering his prime....you pay a 17load of money and get practically no long term security. Dallas can do it at their own peril if they wish.