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Welp, snubbed by the Coaches Poll

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shotgunDawg

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bruiser said:
You mean the Sports Information Director Poll?
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Correct. It's an awful poll that creates an inaccurate perception. While most of the CFB world votes with 2019 level research, the coaches poll is stuck in 1975 logic
 
$altyDawg

$altyDawg

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I would go further and say that any polls before November are pretty much useless. The preseason polls have become a joke, and a bad joke at that.
 
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patdog

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We were 25th at the end of last season (unranked by AP) and lost 3 1st round draft picks, a 2nd round pick, and one of the best QBs we've ever had. As a neutral, I wouldn't rank us either.
 
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shotgunDawg

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patdog said:
We were 25th at the end of last season (unranked by AP) and lost 3 1st round draft picks, a 2nd round pick, and one of the best QBs we've ever had. As a neutral, I wouldn't rank us either.
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In 1975 logic, this is correct. The computer models heavily disagree with you though and they are way more knowledgeable than you
 
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patdog

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The computer models thought we were a hell of a lot better last year than our record was too. They're right about that. We underperformed. But until Moorhead can prove it on the field, I wouldn't rank us. I hope by the end of the season we can be a top 15 team, and I think that's realistic. But if he performs to the talent level this year like he did last year, we won't be ranked in December.
 
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JML105

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Who cares. We must win every game to be national champions. That is the goal, right?
 
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VegasDawg13

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shotgunDawg said:
In 1975 logic, this is correct. The computer models heavily disagree with you though and they are way more knowledgeable than you
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If pollsters are just going to regurgitate computer rankings, they cease to serve literally any purpose at all.
 
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msstate7

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shotgunDawg said:
In 1975 logic, this is correct. The computer models heavily disagree with you though and they are way more knowledgeable than you
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I'm unclear on how the computers rank returning talent. Does it essentially see we have 6-7 returning starters from the #1 defense and rate us highly bc of that or does it actually count losing a great starter more unfavorably than just a decent starter?
 
Dawg1976

Dawg1976

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Not much reason to be ranked. We lost several key players and finished 8-5 last year.
 
tbaydog

tbaydog

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If we are not in Top 10, I could less about anyone's rankings.
 
BlueRidgeMtns

BlueRidgeMtns

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Well, the computers used to have the NCAA Football video game ratings to rate returning players, but now they're flying blind.**
 
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MSUDC11

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I think you can make a case for us deserving to be ranked, but even the most optimistic State supporters would probably put us no higher than about 20th after our performances against good teams last year combined with what we lost to the NFL Draft and graduation. And frankly, just about everyone in the 20-30 range is mostly interchangeable. So being just outside the poll at 27 isn't really a snub, it matches up pretty closely with what general expectations are for this team.

We open with four games we'll be favored in, so we'll stay in the 20-30 range for the first month of the season unless we get upset early. Any real rise in the polls would only happen if we started 4-0 and then won at Auburn.
 
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VegasDawg13

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shotgunDawg said:
That's the thing. They don't serve any purpose.
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They serve no tangible purpose, sure. It's a collection of opinions which some find entertaining to peruse and debate. If they just restate computer rankings, they no longer even serve that measly purpose.
 
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VegasDawg13

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msstate7 said:
I'm unclear on how the computers rank returning talent. Does it essentially see we have 6-7 returning starters from the #1 defense and rate us highly bc of that or does it actually count losing a great starter more unfavorably than just a decent starter?
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I would imagine most attempts to put a numerical value on an individual defensive player would produce more noise than anything. They could definitely account for what round they were drafted, whether they were an AA or All-SEC, etc., though.
 
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Goat Holding Inc

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msstate7 said:
Right. We underachieved
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Wrong. That's not how it works.

You know what's really weird? Alabama and LSU, two teams we lost to, finished #1 and #5. Auburn, a team we beat, finished #6. Florida, a team we lost to, finished #9. Texas A&M finished 11, Kentucky 25.

Seems we did just about what we were supposed to given our schedule. This is what escapes you.

AGAIN, those rankings do not measure wins (against your schedule, which differs from conference to conference). I don't think you quite have an understanding of these statistics, which happens a lot on this board, especially to you. I am, however, prepared for you argue until all hours of the night.
 
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msstate7

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Goat Holding Inc said:
Wrong. That's not how it works.

You know what's really weird? Alabama and LSU, two teams we lost to, finished #1 and #5. Auburn, a team we beat, finished #6. Florida, a team we lost to, finished #9. Texas A&M finished 11, Kentucky 25.

Seems we did just about what we were supposed to given our schedule. This is what escapes you.

AGAIN, those rankings do not measure wins (against your schedule, which differs from conference to conference). I don't think you quite have an understanding of these statistics, which happens a lot on this board, especially to you. I am, however, prepared for you argue until all hours of the night.
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And Iowa?
 
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Goat Holding Inc

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msstate7 said:
Yep. My goal is a NY6 bowl every 3-4 years. I feel like we blew our shot last year. If we get 7 wins this year, I'm ok
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I could say Mullen blew a shot by losing to Ole Miss in 2017 (and Alabama). 2017 version of 8-4 was no better or worse than 2018 version.

Both were about where the metrics picked us to be. So in that vein, we are all being homers.
 
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msstate7

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Goat Holding Inc said:
I could say Mullen blew a shot by losing to Ole Miss in 2017 (and Alabama). 2017 version of 8-4 was no better or worse than 2018 version.

Both were about where the metrics picked us to be. So in that vein, we are all being homers.
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2017 OM loss shouldn't have happened. The fitz injury is a decent excuse, but an excuse nevertheless. Should've beaten them. The 2017 team went on without a coaching staff and their starting QB to beat Louisville in the bowl. We returned essentially the whole team and went down in wins. Schedule was harder, but we were a much better team
 
TaleofTwoDogs

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Preseason rankings do matter. At this early stage it's all about perception, recognition and respect not about future performance on the field. If we want to take that next step, we have to win over the SIDs on a consistent basis, vote for us because of the name on the jersey. This may be 1975 talk but it is realty in the CFB world.
 
Trojanbulldog19

Trojanbulldog19

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i'm fine with it as long at it is in like the top 30 or so. Preseason rankings are only really for perception. They are mostly for tv ratings to try to place two "ranked" teams together to get people to watch. Didn't we go from unranked in 2014 to number one in just like 4 Weeks. We were unranked when we played LSU and was number one by the time we played Kentucky. So, with our schedule, if you just win, you will be ranked. I will say that if it wouldn't have been for preseason rankings of our opponents we wouldn't have gotten that high ranking after beating LSU, Auburn, and TAMU. One could say that they were over rated at the time, but their ranking at the time helped us get ranked number 1. So the preseason rankings do matter in the since that if you beat a bunch of teams early in the season with high rankings it pushes you to the top faster which helps you get more prime time spots for tv thus more exposure for recruits and fans. So the rankings do help in a lot of ways but mostly for perception and tv. What really matters is being ranked in the top 4 the last week of the regular season.
 
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