GoT

[Son_of_34]

Why did the NK have to kill bran? Just send the wights in. He must be a Sith...

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[FreeDawg]

Some of y’all picking apart that episode is hilarious. That was one of the best filmed battle scenes in the history of television or film. Outstanding episode. If you didn’t enjoy that, you are a truly insufferable human being.

 

[tcdog70]

Some of y’all picking apart that episode is hilarious. That was one of the best filmed battle scenes in the history of television or film. Outstanding episode. If you didn’t enjoy that, you are a truly insufferable human being.

Ha-you are so correct. great episode--how does anyone find fault?? Same folks that whine and nit pick the Bulldogs.

 

[LTblows]

I had extremely high expectations for two things yesterday: Endgame and the Winterfell battle. With Endgame, it was completely satisfying. Winterfell was really good, but it wasn’t a top 5 episode for me. Top 10 probably, but it took so long to build up to, it wasn’t as much a payoff as I was hoping for.

 

[BlueRidgeMtns]

It was seasons upon seasons of building up this moment...

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and other than the dragon battle, the NK only fought Theon for 0.5 seconds. I was 100% pleased with the episode and was gripping my couch cushions the whole time, but I hope there's a little more to the NK and winter. I guess everyone was expecting some epic showdown between Jon and the NK, so maybe Arya taking him down lickety splits was more shocking. I don't know, i'm still hyped and rambling at work.

 

[HamSammich]

See I’m the exact opposite. I walked out of Endgame disappointed. Should have been two movies. The first 2 1/2 hours drug on and then the last 30 minutes crammed WAYYY too much into that time.

GoT blew me away last night. I couldn’t sleep for 1 1/2 hours after it went off.

 

[FreeDawg]

Hey, top-10 episode in this series is still better than 99% of tv. That said, I think it’s in my top-3 without giving that too much thought (Battle of Bastards & Red Wedding). I think most people going in expected NK to kill a lot of Dany’s coalition and they squeak out and then have to turn south to fight Cersi shorthanded. That doesn’t make it suck. It’s a tv show. That’s like going to a new James Bond movie and complaining about Bond getting in deep trouble and somehow getting out of it and saving the day. The way they got there with years of breadcrumbs on Ari were great. Melisandre’s return was epic and I called that earlier in the week. Didn’t mean that part sucked. I just thought everything was brilliant down to shooting a foggy battle. That added so much pov depth

 

[Uncle Ruckus]

I thought it was a great episode and really enjoyed it, but I have some questions about it

Why do you send the entire Dothraki into the abyss, knowing exactly what is going to happen? Was it to see just how quick they would die to gauge how many wights there were? They killed off an entire race of people just like that

Is Ghost dead?

Why was Bran warging the entire time? Was he sending out a beacon saying "I'm right here"

Bran isn't telling us something. There is more to it.

The Dothraki scene bothered me the most. They were made out to be such a big part of the army and people shivered thinking about Dany bringing them over one day. Then in the snap of a finger they send the entire hoard on a suicide mission. I have to keep reminding myself that they are fictional, but I feel really bad for them.

 

[mcdawg22]

The stupidity of their tactics kinda ruined it for me. I got bored watching the mass vs mass fighting (same thing happened to me during the Battle of the Bastards). I liked it when they spent more than a second actually following a character(s). Still undecided on the Arya punks the NK. I think I might have like it better if she had ninja'd out of the heart tree straight onto the NK's head.

Well yeah. I mean the dead people that don’t need food or water and don’t age could have literally sieged them as long as they wanted. Plus they affected the weather too so food was going to run out quickly. I really think the show runners missed an opportunity for an epic 2 episode, 3 hour siege that takes place over a couple of weeks. Watching people slowly starve to death and die of dysentery would have been way more satisfying than the manic battles, dragon dogfighting, twists, and the solidifying of the baddest ***** to ever walk in Westeros.********************

 

[FreeDawg]

Dothraki getting annihilated set the table for how terrifying the army of the dead was. As all those swords went out you went, holy hell this is crazy.

Ghost was in the next episode teaser

Bran already said when he goes under the NK can see him so that was the plan the whole time. Lure him to Bran where they could kill him.

Probably is more to it and we’ll find out more about that later. I doubt Bran is just done.

 

[Faustdog]

I don’t think anyone was predicting what happened last night. Every prediction on every podcast or YouTube video last few weeks predicted that the night king would not die there.

Some people had him bypassing Winterfell completely and going straight to Kings Landing. And everything I heard had the army of the living retreating after a catastrophic defeat.

I thought it was an excellent show. I think you’re going to find a split here between the people who read the books and are really into sci-fi/fantasy, and the people who just want a great television show.

The television show has been far more about the struggle for power between the different houses (the game of thrones.) I’m glad the night he king is out of the way so that they can focus on that.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

Dothraki getting annihilated set the table for how terrifying the army of the dead was. As all those swords went out you went, holy hell this is crazy.

Ghost was in the next episode teaser

Bran already said when he goes under the NK can see him so that was the plan the whole time. Lure him to Bran where they could kill him.

Probably is more to it and we’ll find out more about that later. I doubt Bran is just done.

Yep, people are acting like it was all over with after the battle with the dead. Y'all seem to forget that this exact same thing happened a lnog time ago. They only completed one story arc with many more to go in essentially three more very, very, long episodes.

Yeah, they can't write like GRRM can but they know where they are supposed to go and you have to figure they would try to do something different than the book will end up doing.

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That scene when the NK started raising the just killed dead was awesome.

They created major motion picture level battle scenes for a TV SHOW and people are complaining because Arya killed the NK instead of Jon? She was the only one trained well enough to pass his entourage and get near him with only one of his Lts. feellng a slight whish of air passing by. Anyone else would have failed try to get past those soldiers and kill the guy who took on dragon fire and just brushed it off.

 

[Shamoan]

with the focus turning back to the lannisters v targaryen, its going to be interesting to see what jaime does and where his loyalties lie. thats going to be good tv seeing how that plays out now that the threat to survival is over

 

[Go Budaw]

Some of y’all picking apart that episode is hilarious. That was one of the best filmed battle scenes in the history of television or film. Outstanding episode. If you didn’t enjoy that, you are a truly insufferable human being.

I don’t get how people rate the episode on who did / didn’t die, tactical maneuvers, or other plot points.

The whole judgment should be on how well they built the tension and keep suspense on the outcome, as well as the cinematography for the action scenes. All of that was flawless. As for the story itself, the viewer is consuming it and will continue to do so for the next 3 episodes. Who dies and lives and sits on the iron throne at the end is already decided. Live with it. The build up and crescendo to those story twists is what has to make the show successful.

 

[muhstate]

Some of y’all picking apart that episode is hilarious. That was one of the best filmed battle scenes in the history of television or film. Outstanding episode. If you didn’t enjoy that, you are a truly insufferable human being.

The battle scenes were amazing. The cinematography and sound design, tremendous. The storyline and episode conclusion… EHHHHHHHHHHH.

 

[FreeDawg]

The storyline is incredible. It’s been cultivated over numerous seasons. In the early years folks complained about Arya’s Faceless Man story but it all culminated in killing NK. Name any other show you liked so I have context for your storyline beef. What am I comparing it to?

 

[MSUDC11]

Some of y’all picking apart that episode is hilarious. That was one of the best filmed battle scenes in the history of television or film. Outstanding episode. If you didn’t enjoy that, you are a truly insufferable human being.

The production values were tremendous, I just thought some of the storytelling was a little strange. Thought it was big and intense but the NK and WW story ending so abruptly after years of hype yet little backstory is a bit of a head scratcher, and we didn’t get nearly as many named casualties as most were expecting from a battle this big.

Alll that said, still thought it was good, and they still have three episodes to stick the landing and send the series off strong.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

What about little finger though. Does he count in that kill count with the eyes?

 

[Seinfeld]

I’m with you here, Budaw. Too many awesome moments to count...

The initial gazes into the dark abyss
The lighting of the swords
The extinguishing of the swords
The dragon fights
The raising of the dead
The short chick’s battle with the giant
Theon’s last stand and redemption
Arya’s scene in the library

I think the only piece folks saw coming from miles away was the crypt scene, but hey... it was a good thought. Also, I was a little disappointed at the lack of story around Jaime and Tyrion, but I have a feeling that they’re about to get thrown into the forefront of these final episodes

 

[Lawdawg.sixpack]

I need a new 4k tv or something. rewatch party at DS's house.

 

[TrapGame.sixpack]

I’m with you here, Budaw. Too many awesome moments to count...

The initial gazes into the dark abyss
The lighting of the swords
The extinguishing of the swords
The dragon fights
The raising of the dead
The short chick’s battle with the giant
Theon’s last stand and redemption
Arya’s scene in the library

I think the only piece folks saw coming from miles away was the crypt scene, but hey... it was a good thought. Also, I was a little disappointed at the lack of story around Jaime and Tyrion, but I have a feeling that they’re about to get thrown into the forefront of these final episodes

Yep, Bronn is on his way to Winterfell.

 

[muhstate]

The storyline is incredible. It’s been cultivated over numerous seasons. In the early years folks complained about Arya’s Faceless Man story but it all culminated in killing NK. Name any other show you liked so I have context for your storyline beef. What am I comparing it to?

I think you''re misunderstanding what I am saying, I think GoT is easily one of the best shows, if not the best ever on TV. There really isn't anything you can compare it to that is on TV or has aired. The scale alone makes it stand alone from any other series. The problem I have with the writing is that they ran out of source material and they promoted many of the early season writers into producer positions and it shows. Subverting expectations does not make up for bad storytelling, a la Rian Johnson in TLJ.

This has repeatedly happened with HBO shows in the last decade, shows like The Wire, TrueBlood, Entourage, Big Love, The Sopranos, etc. where the show makes it's name from solid writing and storytelling and once it gains a level of popularity, these writers move on to different roles/shows and the shows usually have mediocre or bad final seasons because no one knows how to end it and the original writers aren't there. When that happens, plot points/storylines get abandoned, complex characters don't have direction, dialog is clunky and standard TV tropes start showing up. A few examples of that is Tyrion is recent seasons, Stannis storyline, Euron entire existence in the show, not killing off characters like Brienne after her arch is complete, main characters just being total badasses for no reason, and so on.

 

[Bulldog Bruce]

I thought is was kinda slow.
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[RotorHead]

I think I saw somebody on this thread saying "No one can/will kill the NK." I should've picked it up earlier with as many times as Arya said "a girl is no one" while she was learning how to be faceless. Its glaringly obvious that she was going to kill the NK

 

[Ranchdawg]

I agree with everything 615 said. That episode was such a letdown for me. Jon doesn’t even get to fight the NK? How the heck does Arya get past the circle of white walkers to kill the NK. Just such lazy writing. At least show how she was getting past them or let Jon have a fight with him and he escapes. Charging on the army while you have a castle to hide behind is so stupid.

I agree with you. Meanwhile, Jon is cornered by a dying dragon and wights everywhere while Arya comes flying out of the mist! Sacrificing the Dothraki army at the beginning made no sense to me. It made Jon Snow look like a loser as a commander. Why would anyone send 2,000 or so horse back riders into a mob of over 100,000 walking dead???? All you are doing is adding to their numbers.

 

[Tin Cup Cowboy]

Good question. Had to go looking for other theories on this. The biggest is what I mention above, but others point out a list of people she's already killed including him. So maybe this one I mentioned means nothing and as the others suggest Melisandre only meant she'd become a great assassin.

 

[BELdog]

I thought it was the best show of the series. People are complaining that the night king and his army were defeated too quickly after all the build up, but they completely wiped out an entire race of people and ransacked everyone and every thing between the wall and Winterfell. We got two episodes of *** kicking in an 80+ minute episode. We saw House Mormont completely wiped off the map. Dany’s best friend is dead. Dragons kicked each other’s asses in the sky. And, Arya did Arya things.

I don’t think there was anything lazy or rushed about it. I think people are mad because they’ve spent eight seasons deciding whom THEY think should kill the night king and save humanity from the dead and the story didn’t match what they wanted.

 

[Ranchdawg]

It was a great episode but the things I mentioned were weak

I thought it was the best show of the series. People are complaining that the night king and his army were defeated too quickly after all the build up, but they completely wiped out an entire race of people and ransacked everyone and every thing between the wall and Winterfell. We got two episodes of *** kicking in an 80+ minute episode. We saw House Mormont completely wiped off the map. Dany’s best friend is dead. Dragons kicked each other’s asses in the sky. And, Arya did Arya things.

I don’t think there was anything lazy or rushed about it. I think people are mad because they’ve spent eight seasons deciding whom THEY think should kill the night king and save humanity from the dead and the story didn’t match what they wanted.

I expected Arya to be the one that killed the NK especially after the Red Witch told her she was the one reason the Lord had spared those around her. After showing Snow fighting to get to Bran for 10 minutes I was disappointed that they didn't show Arya at least 1 minute traveling to the confrontation. I understand that it would have been a spoiler but they could have switched back and forth between her and Snow to make it look like one was going to succeed before the other. Then Jon could have been present when Arya killed the NK and I would have enjoyed it more. After all, they made it a big deal for anyone to move 10 feet up until then with all the fighting which was great.

 

[Crucifictorious]

Exactly! People act like that was the first battle with the NK and his army..."they defeated them in one battle" Damn, that was like battle number 5 or 6 at least since the show started. Not to mention that Mance's army must have fought them a few times, but you had the battle at the Fist of the first men, you had Hardhomme, you had the battle at the frozen lake, you had the skirmish at Last Hearth and then the Battle of Winterfell. NK was 5-0 up until Saturday but he finally had to play against the 1990s Chicago Bulls and MJ (Arya) hit the game winner.

 

[Lawdawg.sixpack]

NK blew a 3-1 lead.

 

[Crucifictorious]

I called the battle at the lake a win because he got the dragon. Hardhomme was most definitely a win.

 

[hoopscoach21]

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That scene when the NK started raising the just killed dead was awesome.

They created major motion picture level battle scenes for a TV SHOW and people are complaining because Arya killed the NK instead of Jon? She was the only one trained well enough to pass his entourage and get near him with only one of his Lts. feellng a slight whish of air passing by. Anyone else would have failed try to get past those soldiers and kill the guy who took on dragon fire and just brushed it off.

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I've seen a theory on twitter for how Arya was able to get that close to the NK without being suspected. It was that Lts. who's hair moved then turns it's head and blinks. Someone said the dead don't blink. Could that have been Arya? Did she "kill" that dead Lt. and steal his face in order to get close? I think it's an interesting theory for sure.

 

[engie]

Spoiler

That scene when the NK started raising the just killed dead was awesome.

They created major motion picture level battle scenes for a TV SHOW and people are complaining because Arya killed the NK instead of Jon? She was the only one trained well enough to pass his entourage and get near him with only one of his Lts. feellng a slight whish of air passing by. Anyone else would have failed try to get past those soldiers and kill the guy who took on dragon fire and just brushed it off.

I've seen a theory on twitter for how Arya was able to get that close to the NK without being suspected. It was that Lts. who's hair moved then turns it's head and blinks. Someone said the dead don't blink. Could that have been Arya? Did she "kill" that dead Lt. and steal his face in order to get close? I think it's an interesting theory for sure.[/QUOTE]

What WW have you seen killed that didn’t explode immediately?

She came by quickly and “out of nowhere”. Feel pretty safe to say she won’t get to kill Cersei as well.

Anyone “disappointed” by this battle haven’t adjusted their expectations from the book and them to the show since they went off book. All 3 eps this season have been excellent by show standards, even if they don’t live up to the book standards.

It was awesome tv. It does ring kind of hollow since what I thought the theme of the show was the futility of fighting for a throne while hollowing out your strength to fight the real enemy.

I expect the victory to be extremely short lived...

 

[FQDawg]

Enjoyed reading this "assessment" of both armies' tactical deployment:

https://slate.com/culture/2019/04/battle-winterfell-military-analysis-tactics.html

 

[Upyurs]

She came by quickly and “out of nowhere”.

I feel so stupid and didnt even pick up on that. The one Lt. sensed something which had to have been Arya.

 

[msstatelp1]

https://v.redd.it/xc9h63kermv21/DASH_720?source=fallback




have to click it. can't get it to show up for some reason.

 

[Ranchdawg]

Funniest thing I have seen on here!

https://v.redd.it/xc9h63kermv21/DASH_720?source=fallback




have to click it. can't get it to show up for some reason.

Just awesome!

 

[archdog]

That was the greatest episode of anything I've ever seen.

No way. the Hardhome episode and The Watchers on the Wall episode both were better.
Basic issues with the episode
1. So....White Walkers opened the series, became the impossible big bad that couldn't be defeated, except the Night King gets smoked in his first ever battle. No fight sequence with his white walker generals. Nothing. We have a series of White Walker generals and people fighting for the north with Valarian steel weapons. It could have been an epic fight scene where Jon gets his moment with the night king. Gets beat, and then Arya jumps out of the tree and stabs him in the neck like at the Tower of Joy (Ned and Arthur Dayne).

2. They sacrifices all of the Dothraki. They lined them up with steel weapons that could not kill any of the wights nor the white walkers. Some reason, they have a 17n castle, but everyone lines up outside?. No one knew the Red Priestess Mel was showing up when the game plan was compiled and discussed. So basically, the Dothraki were left to die for zero possible strategic purpose.

3. At the very first sign of adversity, Dany abandons the entire game plan and hops on her dragon prior to the NK entering the frey.

4. When the trench couldn't light, why didn't Jon just have his dragon do it. He is sitting on the wall at the God's Wood.

5. Wights have been established as basically being covered in lighter fluid. Yet one at a time they jump on the fire and build body/bridges. Yeah, that is nothing like the other 7 seasons.

6. How the hell did the right 9 main characters survive?

7. Lyanna Mormont's death was stupid. Better if she would have just died when the giant smacked her 45 feet through the air into a stone wall.

8. Why did Arya throw dragon glass daggers?

9. Every scene was too dark for TV. Best because the fight scene was so bad. The director knew what he was doing.

10. Jon snow once again, doing something stupid and getting bailed out.

The final scene should have been Jorah, Briene, Jamie, Jon Snow, and Tormond fighting through the White walker generals. Arya sneaks around the fighting to sneak up on the Night King right after Greyjoy sacrifices himself to save Bran. Greyjoy distracts the NK just long enough for Arya to save Jon's life by killing the NK. Stab to the neck with dragon glass and then the stomach with V Steel.

Bran isn't Bran Stark anymore, his mind was taken over by the 3ER (Bloodraven) when he warged Hodor in the past and present.

Now all the stories for 7 seasons are ********. The NK is the big bad, no way to defeat him, well maybe just one half *** trained assassin and a dagger to end it. Boom.

 

[archdog]

I've seen a theory on twitter for how Arya was able to get that close to the NK without being suspected. It was that Lts. who's hair moved then turns it's head and blinks. Someone said the dead don't blink. Could that have been Arya? Did she "kill" that dead Lt. and steal his face in order to get close? I think it's an interesting theory for sure.

What WW have you seen killed that didn’t explode immediately?

She came by quickly and “out of nowhere”. Feel pretty safe to say she won’t get to kill Cersei as well.

Anyone “disappointed” by this battle haven’t adjusted their expectations from the book and them to the show since they went off book. All 3 eps this season have been excellent by show standards, even if they don’t live up to the book standards.

It was awesome tv. It does ring kind of hollow since what I thought the theme of the show was the futility of fighting for a throne while hollowing out your strength to fight the real enemy.

I expect the victory to be extremely short lived...[/QUOTE]

No the 3 episodes have been good, not exceptional. Exceptional would be Battle of the Bastards, Red Wedding, Balor, Watcher on the Walls, and Blackwater.

 

[archdog]

It took FIVE MONTHS to shoot. There was nothing lazy about it.

Should have brought a few better writers that actually like the story and spent an extra hour or two working on the plot. Could have save time really.
It was 55 nights, not 5 months.