Bars kicking people out during the Tornado Warning???

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

I’m amazed at the lengths people go to make sure to always blame the students.

And on SPD, it is said I feel tense and worried about everything I’m doing when they are around compared to feeling safe. And I’m a white guy. Bad relationship with students for years.

There is no excusing the actions of this business or the officers that helped them. There is no way you can blame patrons. An F5 hitting my home town and changed my views of tornadoes forever.

They should make the folks that did this help clean up in Hamilton, MS this morning so they can see just how bad it could have been.

I see nothing has changed with Starkville PD since I moved 12 years ago.

 

[paindonthurt_]

This has more to do with a few specific workers/employees than it does with any bar/owner. I say that liking most of the employees and not really caring for one of the owners.

Kids running a bar at a crucial time made a bad decision. These aren’t GMs of chains that have procedures and are trained for all sorts of scenarios.

With that said the owner is responsible and should use this to train staff and prepare for future instances.

 

[bulldogbaja]

I would bet money that the rumors of police pushing people out are wrong. You should probably shut up unless if you know otherwise.
The video above shows someone in a shirt that says "security," which does NOT equal police.

 

[Go Budaw]

No she said “there’s a cellar here”, because there is one there that the Bin uses for storage.

The cellar has a damn ladder for entry / exit if I’m not mistaken. They let all the drunks down there and just one takes a spill going down a ladder, that’s a much bigger lawsuit. Just something to consider. I was also told by a good source that they made last call 30 minutes before the weather came through and people still stayed. At some point, people are responsible for their own safety.

 

[paindonthurt_]

If they made last call 30 mins before that video that changes things, they shoukd have ran them out at that point with an announcement abt tornado watch/warning.

Plenty of possible responses that could come out and change my perception.

Wait and see approach is rarely wrong.

 

[deadheaddawg]

The timing would be the issue. If a funnel cloud is bearing down then yes hunker down. But if I owned a bar and a tornado warning was issued where there might be time to seek other shelter, then I’d want to be with my family. Perhaps those guys wanted to clear it out so they could go home. Just because some dumb drunk wants another brew ain’t gonna cut it when my family is concerned.

lol. Is this post real?

 

[deadheaddawg]

Students are starting to rally on social media, it'll be interesting to see if the Bin has built enough good will to survive this.

I hope not. The owner doesn't deserve for this business to survive. The owner should be working for someone else. They are not equipped to own a business.

The owner should have discussed tornado warning senerios with the staff. This is Mississippi. You are going to hear a tornado siren. There will eventually be a warning issued while you are open.

If you decide to own your own business that has customers enter your building you should be prepared.

Really hope this place shuts down for good

 

[paindonthurt_]

Replying to me?
If so, I probably agree, but what does that have to do with how you react to the situation?

 

[Len2003]

I hope not. The owner doesn't deserve for this business to survive. The owner should be working for someone else. They are not equipped to own a business.

The owner should have discussed tornado warning senerios with the staff. This is Mississippi. You are going to hear a tornado siren. There will eventually be a warning issued while you are open.

If you decide to own your own business that has customers enter your building you should be prepared.

Really hope this place shuts down for good

That's pretty harsh. This is someone's livelihood. Maybe they have kids to support. We don't know the whole story yet because we also need to hear from Bin 612. Either way, wanting someone to lose their livelihood is extreme.

 

[ronpolk]

I hope not. The owner doesn't deserve for this business to survive. The owner should be working for someone else. They are not equipped to own a business.

The owner should have discussed tornado warning senerios with the staff. This is Mississippi. You are going to hear a tornado siren. There will eventually be a warning issued while you are open.

If you decide to own your own business that has customers enter your building you should be prepared.

Really hope this place shuts down for good

Awful take. Employees made a mistake, no doubt. But people/businesses don’t deserve to be shut down over a mistake. It’s a learning opportunity and hopefully the owner takes advantage of it.

I’m tired of people grandstanding on social media (and I guess msg boards) acting like they’ve never made a bad decision.

 

[DeltaChicagoDog]

“ hope not. The owner doesn't deserve for this business to survive. The owner should be working for someone else. They are not equipped to own a business.

The owner should have discussed tornado warning senerios with the staff. This is Mississippi. You are going to hear a tornado siren. There will eventually be a warning issued while you are open.

If you decide to own your own business that has customers enter your building you should be prepared.

Really hope this place shuts down for good”

I hope I’d have offered shelter and wish Bin Whatever would have, too. But the “shut em down” attitude is ridiculous. Rather than seeing an opportunity to learn and make sure this sort of thing doesn’t happen again on his/her watch, some people would rather run ‘em off and make way for another inexperienced (if this is in fact the case) owner to come along and make the same mistake again. Rinse and repeat. If the owner is a seasoned proprietor, well, that’s on that person. Most likely, someone’s adult college age kid was managing last night and crapped the bed due to inexperience/concern about keeping their job and just lost a sense of context.

 

[paindonthurt_]

I think the point is people make personal choices.

The bar deserves some blame for their handling of it but the Individuals aren’t without blame.

 

[deadheaddawg]

That's pretty harsh. This is someone's livelihood. Maybe they have kids to support. We don't know the whole story yet because we also need to hear from Bin 612. Either way, wanting someone to lose their livelihood is extreme.

Not harsh at all. The owner can support their family by working for someone else. No only should a plan have been in place from the day this business opened, but the owner should have been on the phone that day reminding them.

People make mistakes, and sometimes those mistakes reveal things. This was a really bad mistake thar revealed a potentially very dangerous thing about this owner.

Not everyone is equipped mentally to run a business. There are lots of others ways to establish a livelihood. This person needs to find one

 

[DeltaChicagoDog]

Keep groovin, brother. Good thing no one ever got hurt or made a mistake at a Dead show. Their touring operation would’ve been shut down before you can say American Beauty.**

 

[BogeyGolfer.sixpack]

A meteorology student reported to WTVA that the Cotton District bars kicked everyone out during the tornado warning. Didn’t anyone else’s hear about this?

The way the people working in the bar were screaming and using profanity towards their customers tells me all I need to know about The BIN.

 

[Go Budaw]

I’m gonna offer a bit of logistical context to those who may not be familiar with the Bin. First off, it’s probably one of (if not the most) popular bar for most students who aren’t into the club scene offered by Rick’s, etc. Secondly, there probably no bigger night of the year to go there than the Friday / Saturday nights of SBW. Maybe Bulldog Bash, but that would be it. Anyway, point is that it was very likely packed, and very difficult to manage for crowd control. Finally, it’s really the only patio bar in Starkville, where you just about always have way more people there than can fit in the physical building. So, it’s not necessarily like there was an option to just shove everyone back in there. It would have been impossible.

Also, I think many people are missing the fact that the damn Starkville Police Department was telling people to leave, so what are the employees supposed to do? Tell the SPD to 17 off and make all the patrons do the complete opposite? They were just following SPD’’s lead.. Was it the right decision? I don’t know....but probably not. But it’s real difficult to put the entire blame on the business and say it needs to shut down because of one incident.

 

[triton28]

I love their salmon sliders. I think I’ll go tomorrow.

 

[dawgdr]

“Probably not”. Seriously Clark!! Idiotic decision. Thank God my son wasn’t there. But pisses me off for everyone who had a son or daughter there. And would assume any of officers there were working off duty. So imagine they were doing what they were told to do. Not justifying their actions by any means. They should have stood up for the patrons.

 

[GTAdawg]

It doesn’t, because I didn’t reply to you. Simmer

 

[Go Budaw]

“Probably not”. Seriously Clark!! Idiotic decision. Thank God my son wasn’t there. But pisses me off for everyone who had a son or daughter there. And would assume any of officers there were working off duty . So imagine they were doing what they were told to do. Not justifying their actions by any means. They should have stood up for the patrons.

Off duty? WTF? It was Saturday night of Super Bulldog Weekend. I can assure you that probably no less than 30% of the entire SPD was patrolling the Cotton District. You wanna blame somebody, blame the cops for mishandling the situation. They are the ones with final say on where the patrons have to go, and the only ones with the authority to handle both the patrons and the employees of the bars to make sure the correct decision is made for all involved.

 

[G-Dawg]

Give some props to businesses that did the opposite. Bulldog Burger made sure everyone stayed in and offered everyone to come get in the back and bathrooms.

Years ago I was the GM of Bulldog Deli when we had a tornado warning. It was a week night so not alot of patrons, but 7-8. We announced what was going on, told them we were about to lock the doors and get everyone to sheltered positions (bathrooms/kitchen), if they didn't want to stay, we wouldn't make them. Don't think anyone left. Everyone hunkered down until it was over.

 

[bulldogbaja]

The Starkville PD did not tell anyone to leave the bar. That's fake news.

 

[WrapItDog]

STATEMENT BY BIN 612 CHEF AND OWNER TY THAMES:
We take the concerns of our customers, employees and our Starkville community very seriously. We would like to address the safety concerns brought up in regards to the emergency event last night in the Cotton District. First and foremost, we are very thankful that no one in the Cotton District or anywhere else in Starkville was injured last night due to the severe weather.
Bin 612, along with most other establishments in the Cotton District, is comprised of exterior wall to wall glass windows. The overwhelming majority of the seating for the restaurant is on the outdoor patio with the interior space having an indoor occupancy capacity of 99 people. There is no adequate indoor shelter space for what was in excess of 250 people. All indoor spaces in the restaurant face the exterior wall to wall glass windows. There is an underground storage cellar that was utilized and able to provide shelter for approximately 15 people.
Due to these safety concerns, security personnel at five Cotton District area restaurants, including Bin 612, made the decision together to close at the same time before the potential tornado was to touch down in the immediate area in an effort to give patrons time to leave and find a safe space, including the underground parking structure directly across the street.
We certainly do not condone the language or aggressive behavior of any of the security company’s personnel or our staff. We know that the intent of the security personnel and our staff was to prevent serious injuries from occurring inside of glass enclosed rooms. The intent was for people to leave with time to get to a safe space, including the underground parking garage directly across the street.
Any security company we work with in the future will need to not only be able to clearly execute the evacuation plan to the underground parking garage in the event of a possible tornado but also to do so in a calm and compassionate manner.

 

[paindonthurt_]

It won’t. And it shouldn’t.

 

[GTAdawg]

Ty seems like a nice guy the couple times I’ve been around him in his restaurants. I’m sure he’ll have his people better prepared for the next such occasion.

 

[Go Budaw]

The Starkville PD did not tell anyone to leave the bar. That's fake news.

Well perhaps you should tell that to the dozens of folks on social media who were there and are saying the complete opposite.

 

[paindonthurt_]

They’ll still want his head. Doesn’t matter. Their minds have been made.

 

[Bulldogg31]

It’s sad to see the “cancel” culture that so many people seem to feed on these days. Any person or business who makes a mistake or has a differing opinion these days risks being the target of the online lynch mobs.

The people in the Bin handled this poorly and it could have had a tragic ending, but fortunately it can now serve as a learning and improvement opportunity. If you really want people to leave a bar just turn the music off and the lights on. They’ll clear out soon enough. The lights should have all been turned on anyway to help people find their way to safety. However, even though it was handled terribly it doesn’t mean a person should be “cancelled” and lose their business.

If everyone who messed up got canceled we’d all be out of business. It’s a 100% guarantee that we all will mess up at some point, let’s hope it’s not in the scope of the e-mob.

On a related note it was great to see Tiger win the Masters today.

 

[Rayburn8]

STATEMENT BY BIN 612 CHEF AND OWNER TY THAMES:
We take the concerns of our customers, employees and our Starkville community very seriously. We would like to address the safety concerns brought up in regards to the emergency event last night in the Cotton District. First and foremost, we are very thankful that no one in the Cotton District or anywhere else in Starkville was injured last night due to the severe weather.
Bin 612, along with most other establishments in the Cotton District, is comprised of exterior wall to wall glass windows. The overwhelming majority of the seating for the restaurant is on the outdoor patio with the interior space having an indoor occupancy capacity of 99 people. There is no adequate indoor shelter space for what was in excess of 250 people. All indoor spaces in the restaurant face the exterior wall to wall glass windows. There is an underground storage cellar that was utilized and able to provide shelter for approximately 15 people.
Due to these safety concerns, security personnel at five Cotton District area restaurants, including Bin 612, made the decision together to close at the same time before the potential tornado was to touch down in the immediate area in an effort to give patrons time to leave and find a safe space, including the underground parking structure directly across the street.
We certainly do not condone the language or aggressive behavior of any of the security company’s personnel or our staff. We know that the intent of the security personnel and our staff was to prevent serious injuries from occurring inside of glass enclosed rooms. The intent was for people to leave with time to get to a safe space, including the underground parking garage directly across the street.
Any security company we work with in the future will need to not only be able to clearly execute the evacuation plan to the underground parking garage in the event of a possible tornado but also to do so in a calm and compassionate manner.

Why weren't they directing people to the parking garage if that was a safe place? Seems like an after the fact but this to try to shift blame, which is all this statement is. Trying to shift blame on anyone that is not them instead of actually just apologizing and taking responsibility for the manner in which things went down. Even the talking about the other bars in the district part, just no responsibility taken, all blame shifting. If the intent was for people to leave in time to get to a safe space why not close an hour before the storm hits instead of 10 minutes? This is just a PR statement trying to shift blame and a poor one at that. I could go on about the inconsistencies, but I feel like yall get it.

 

[graphicBYdesign]

The Starkville PD did not tell anyone to leave the bar. That's fake news.

This is correct. Way to many people confusing "security" with police.

 

[jackbaddawg]

They told customers to : GTFO.. I surely wouldn't ever go back .

 

[GhostOfJackie]

I mean, clearly the only sane response is to organize a boycott on social media and call for everyone to be fired. Additionally, we should all take up arms to make sure we run the owners out of business. That seems like a completely fair punishment for the accused.

Haha. People like that are the worst. I've seen multiple people calling for a boycott of the place. Do they really think they will shut down one of the most popular spots in Starkville (for students) just because the bar made a bad decision? If anything, this is a good thing that will cause bar owners all over the state to look at their policy for something like this. This event will actually and up making public establishments safer. I guarantee that Tyler will resolve the issue and it won't happen again.

 

[Shmuley]

After reading that, it's a little unclear. Is there an underground parking garage directly across the street? I felt like that could have been mentioned at least 612 more times for clarity.

 

[aTotal360]

Because they are panicked bar workers and not trained crisis management professionals.

 

[paindonthurt_]

Beauty of capitalism man.
Just don’t go back.
More room for me and my friends.

 

[Son_of_34]

After reading that, it's a little unclear. Is there an underground parking garage directly across the street? I felt like that could have been mentioned at least 612 more times for clarity.

If you want to call it a parking garage. Its basically 15 spaces underneath the building that houses gringos and the fountain bar along with those apartments on top of those. No where near underground, it’s street level and is not enclosed.

 

[8dog]

I would have gone with- “these were never our intentions and we apologize for the way this was handled. Your sadety is our number one concern. As such From 4-10 today draught beer is on us”

telling people you were right isnt gonna win this one

 

[512taylor]

I mean, clearly the only sane response is to organize a boycott on social media and call for everyone to be fired. Additionally, we should all take up arms to make sure we run the owners out of business. That seems like a completely fair punishment for the accused.

Maybe, I can then get my order served a little quicker.

Also, have you considered there are student, or non-students working there that need this income to survive?

 

[bulldogbaja]

telling people you were right isnt gonna win this one

Wise words 8dog. For some reason humans tend to lose perspective on the obvious things sometimes.

 

[bulldogbaja]

It's your personal responsibility to make sure what you are saying is accurate. Not my job to remind drunk people that security is not the same as police.