Mangum is fast, but

[Hump4Hoops]

he isn't near as fast as he thinks he is. Thrown out at the plate again.

 

[She Mate Me]

I think he's been overly aggressive on the bases this year considering we have a lot of good hitters with power behind him. Hate not getting Allen to the plate with Mangum on 3rd.

 

[MSUDC11]

You take the bad with the good with Jake, because the good stuff is historically good. He’s got thrown out at home twice tonight but he has 8 hits and counting in the last 28 hours so he can just about get away with murder in my eyes right now.

 

[WrapItDog]

I would rather let him run balls to walls than tell him to slow down. He will make more of those risky attempts than outs.

 

[Willow Grove Dawg]

Mangum is always crazy aggressive whether it is swinging the bat, running the bases, chasing balls in the outfield, or making throws from the outfield. He has an extreme case of the red-***. He is just our freaking guy. He is that guy that you love if he is on your team & hate if he is on the other team.

 

[Xenomorph]

We should probably sit his *** down. **

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

He can play on my team, anytime.

He presses the situation....with authority.

Much more good than bad.

 

[maroonmania]

I think he's been overly aggressive on the bases this year considering we have a lot of good hitters with power behind him. Hate not getting Allen to the plate with Mangum on 3rd.

Jake is Jake. One of the best hitters we've ever had and one of the worst baserunners we've ever had. Still runs the bases as a SR the same reckless way he did as a FR and apparently its not going to ever change.

 

[engie]

I would rather let him run balls to walls than tell him to slow down. He will make more of those risky attempts than outs.

Exactly. No one notices all the extra bases he actually takes that are often friggin ridiculous and doesn't even draw a throw. They just notice the times that a perfect throw, often two perfect throws with a perfect relay, gets him.

 

[engie]

Jake is Jake. One of the best hitters we've ever had and one of the worst baserunners we've ever had. Still runs the bases as a SR the same reckless way he did as a FR and apparently its not going to ever change.

Uh, no.

 

[She Mate Me]

Ok, I get it. Not a time for even minor criticism.

 

[Walter White.sixpack]

We should probably sit his *** down. **

 

[G-Dawg]

Exactly. No one notices all the extra bases he actually takes that are often friggin ridiculous and doesn't even draw a throw. They just notice the times that a perfect throw, often two perfect throws with a perfect relay, gets him.

you mean like the ball that squirted under the Florida 2B glove that he ended up on 2nd base? Tonight, Jake was counting on the 1st baseman not even thinking about him.

 

[patdog]

Also, there's only about a 40% chance he scores from 3rd with 2 outs, so I'll take my chances on him trying to score over my chances of even Ted Williams in his prime driving him in.

 

[Cap'n Geech]

I have no problem with baserunners making the defense make a play at home with 2 outs.

 

[She Mate Me]

I have no problem with baserunners making the defense make a play at home with 2 outs.

Just to be clear, it wasn't a close play. He was thrown out easily.

 

[jackbaddawg]

We going to miss Jake when he's gone . He'll be a great major league player . He'll learn alot once he makes a big team roster .

 

[Todd4State]

Just to be clear, it wasn't a close play. He was thrown out easily.

No one is ever going to be perfect running the bases. Doesn't mean that player is necessarily a bad baserunner. You can also be overly conservative and cost yourself runs as well.

 

[She Mate Me]

No one is ever going to be perfect running the bases. Doesn't mean that player is necessarily a bad baserunner. You can also be overly conservative and cost yourself runs as well.

Didn't say he's a bad baserunner. I think he's an outstanding baserunner, but he has run himself into a lot of outs already this year. Just my opinion that he's been a bit too aggressive with the hitters behind him. Opinions, as always, will differ.

 

[campshelbydog842003]

Lemonis is much more aggressive on the base paths than any coach we have ever had. Jake is one of our better base runners and whoever called him a bad one is just wrong. He has scored us way more runs that we may not otherwise have gotten with a more conservative approach and it is not even close. He is also extremely fast and a great base stealer.

 

[DAWG61]

You can be both a good baserunner and make occasional bad decisions on the base paths. Mangum is a top 10 maybe top 5 all-time MSU positional (non-pitcher) player. He's scored a 17 ton of runs. He's also gotten himself thrown out on the base paths with poor decisions more times than any other player that's played here. The same mindset he has which lead to occasional bad decisions on the base paths is the same mindset that makes him an elite player. Shaquille O'neal probably has the most dunks in NBA history and the most charges as well.

 

[bulldogcountry1]

Wise baserunning has almost become a lost art, and we have been bad for years. That said, we are much improved this year. We are consistently getting extra bases and putting pressure on the defense. I’ll take that any day over seeing a guy go halfway from second on a deep out to RF, only to scamper back to second. It’s easy to only pay attention to the one out and not notice the other ten times when guys get an extra base successfully.

 

[HumpDawgy]

I like aggressive Jake. He puts pressure on teams defense and forces errors. Go big or go home. Enjoy this guy while we still have him. This year was a bonus year for us anyway.

 

[maroonmania]

Uh, no.

Dude, have you watched Mangum run the bases for four years? Guess you would disagree that water is wet.

 

[$altyDawg]

He puts pressure on teams defense and forces errors.

I love this statement. Teams that apply constant pressure are the ones that win games...In EVERY sport...

 

[engie]

Dude, have you watched Mangum run the bases for four years? Yes you would disagree that water is wet.

No, I've never watched him play. By all means tell me more. You are will jamesing yourself on this without even realizing it. Literally the dumbest baseball take of the year so far on here.

 

[maroonmania]

No, I've never watched him play. By all means tell me more. You are will jamesing yourself on this without even realizing it. Literally the dumbest baseball take of the year so far on here.

We can disagree, but I see you can't just make your argument without bringing in a name that has zero to do with this. Apparently you are blind to the obvious without realizing it. I'm ok with being aggressive on the bases when its called for but Jake goes way beyond that a lot of times. Things like trying to take 2 bases on a ball that never leaves the infield for example. I've literally seen times where he has gotten thrown out by 10 feet trying to push the limit on stuff like you would see in little league because you know the defenders can't field or catch. I love Jake but his baserunning is reckless and often ends up in needless outs especially when playing quality competition.

 

[MeridianDog]

A couple of things.

Aggression in any sport is a good thing.

We needed runs yesterday to win that game. He was trying to give us runs.

There is a guy just off the field at 3rd base who wears maroon when we are bat (DUH). He is called the 3rd base coach (DUH). I bet you a nickel he gave Mangum the go ahead on both failed attempts. Most of the time the runner relies on the 3rd base coach to let him know whether to continue toward home or not. I doubt there have been many times when the 3rd base coach gave Mangum the hold up sign and saw him ignore it.

I love this team, and also wish we had 9 Mangums out there.

Thanks - my $0.02.

 

[HumpDawgy]

e. I've literally seen times where he has gotten thrown out by 10 feet trying to push the limit on stuff like you would see in little league because you know the defenders can't field or catch. I love Jake but his baserunning is reckless and often ends up in needless outs especially when playing quality competition.

If only we could win some games and Jake could play more controlled and never get on base.***

 

[engie]

We can disagree, but I see you can't just make your argument without bringing in a name that has zero to do with this. Apparently you are blind to the obvious without realizing it. I'm ok with being aggressive on the bases when its called for but Jake goes way beyond that a lot of times. Things like trying to take 2 bases on a ball that never leaves the infield for example. I've literally seen times where he has gotten thrown out by 10 feet trying to push the limit on stuff like you would see in little league because you know the defenders can't field or catch. I love Jake but his baserunning is reckless and often ends up in needless outs especially when playing quality competition.

I already explained my disagreement. You are wrong on this. All you ever see are the failures. Which tells everyone that actually knows what they are looking at that you either aren't watching the games closely -- or don't actually know the game very well. Jake is arguably the highest net positive base runner in the history of MSU, although admittedly there aren't advanced stats for college baseball to prove that. You call him the worst -- the opposite is much closer to being true. He does get thrown out on the bases a good bit. On that I agree. But he practically never gets stranded. And he's probably going to be very near the top in runs scored in SEC history despite not playing in a gopher ball era. His outs on the bases are rarely "dumb" outs. They are gambling situations and he gambles. Jake is literally moving from 2nd to 3rd on flyouts to left and not even drawing a competitive throw. Situations where 95% of the players at MSU that I can even remember would go halfway and return to second and you would consider them "good baserunners" ending up one base behind Jake, who then scores on a passed ball the other guy might or might not have moved to 3rd on. Sure, 1 or 2 times in those 10, a guy has a cannon, rounds under the ball well, has a great crow hop and release, puts the throw on the money, and Jake gets hosed. But his successes are so far ahead of his failures on the basepaths that it makes the whole viewpoint laughable.

As far as baseball in general goes, I don't feel like I need to explain myself at this point. The archives say it all.