If you aren’t Methodist this probably won’t be of interest to you. With the recent passage of “The Traditional Plan” by the special called General Conference in St Louis, I was wondering what the Methodists on the board make of it. Will it be enforced? Is your church on the edge of leaving the conference? Alot has happened in the last two weeks and I’m curious as to what the reaction has been around the state?
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I’m not a Methodist myself. But I don’t see how this doesn’t end up splitting the United Methodist Church. I don’t see how any agreement or compromise can be reached on the issue. This isn’t a mere issue or point of contention like, “how much drinking is ok?” or “what public policy in the country should be.” It’s a fundamental sacrament of the church that is front and center of the church ALL the time. Homosexual marriage can either be endorsed and allowed by the church or it can be not endorsed and forbidden. It’s either a grave sin to allow it, or it’s a grave sin to disallow it. There really can be no middle ground here for those on opposite sides.
Good post. The UMC knew that there would be a split regardless. I believe that the conservative side makes up about 70% and the liberal side around 30% (give or take). The decision that was voted on seems to lend itself to the liberal side splitting. It has never been about what the discipline says but more so about whether they will enforce the discipline. My belief is that if you don’t agree with the discipline as written you probably should split, but it has indeed been a mess.
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Life long Methodist, member of a huge congregation.
Got no idea what you’re talking about, but I’m assuming there’s something about the gays.
and I thought this was gone about years ago,
Disclaimer: ain’t been to church in a while.
Got no idea what you’re talking about, but I’m assuming there’s something about the gays.
and I thought this was gone about years ago,
Disclaimer: ain’t been to church in a while.
I joined the UMC when I married my wife, leaving the Southern Baptist Convention behind. It is astonishing how freaking liberal most of the ministers are in the UMC. Obama and Hillary both racked up on votes garnered behind the pulpits at UMC churches. The music doesn’t even “feel” like hymns. It’s just a random collection of bad harmonies and even more random lyrics. No UMC I have ever been to plays the old time religion music that is familiar to most other Protestant religions. The Doxology is about the only thing that doesn’t make me cringe.
They act like a bunch of closet Catholics with all the robes and Accolytes and alter boys and regimen in their service. True story. My brother-in-law, who is a leach that refuses to get a job, uses his “position” as head usher in the Methodist church as an excuse for not having enough time to look for a job.
They act like a bunch of closet Catholics with all the robes and Accolytes and alter boys and regimen in their service. True story. My brother-in-law, who is a leach that refuses to get a job, uses his “position” as head usher in the Methodist church as an excuse for not having enough time to look for a job.
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door/***... take it up with your wife.
your comments on the hymns is laughable btw. “No UMC I have ever been too plays old time religion music familiar to most other Protestant ‘religions’ ”.... you mean old southern baptist...not most other Protestant.
Go dunk yourself,
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****,,,I just noticed you started this topic. Will not chime in any longer. Sorry.
not related, but I used to have the Steely Dan box set of CDs in your avatar, so I know you’re a righteous dude.
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The doxology doesn’t make you cringe but the rest does? The hymns are all the same as baptist hymns. That’s interesting. The doxology is likely the only song that you won’t hear at a baptist church.
Oh we’ve had our discussions. In the Methodist church you can’t get married until you are counseled by the minister of the church/churches you are a membera of. We go for ours and this nut job proceeds to kick back in his office chair at the church and crunch m&ms one after another from a large Christmas cane type container while “educating” us on all the appropriate sexual positions, including sodomy, as long as it was between mutually consenting partners. It was literally the 17’ing creepiest I have ever felt in my life.
Not Methodist. PCUSA here, but we went through this a few years ago. The General Assembly decided to let each congregation decide (similar, I think, to the UMC unity plan). I think that was just kicking the can down the road. Eventually, I think it’s going to put pastors & Sessions (the ruling body for each church that has staggered 3-year terms...a later Session can overturn a previous Session’s decision) in a tough spot at the congregational level because there’s not a denomination-wide ruling on the matter to fall back on. In my opinion, it’s better that the UMC made a decision.
[FTR I do not go to a UM church, but have many Methodist friends, many who fall on both sides of this issue.]
Wasn't it the Traditional Plan the same "plan" that has been in place for a long while and reflects what's been written already in the Methodist Discipline? The way I've understood it, it did not create any new moral or doctrinal standards, right?
So if it was upheld, then there really isn't a change then, right? Yet there are so many upset about how the UMC has changed and hurt them. I suppose there was a lot of "loose enforcement" and "no enforcement" of the Discipline forever. But now with the old plan reaffirmed it really pissed some folks off.
No matter how the vote went, some folks are going to end up leaving. The "One Church Plan" is basically like a "State's Rights" government allowing each church (state) to make up their own minds about ordaining/marrying LGBTQ people. But if some did and some didn't that doesn't sound very "united" anyhow. Whether you believe it's okay to be/marry/ordain gays or not, find a place that believes like you do and be happy there.
Wasn't it the Traditional Plan the same "plan" that has been in place for a long while and reflects what's been written already in the Methodist Discipline? The way I've understood it, it did not create any new moral or doctrinal standards, right?
So if it was upheld, then there really isn't a change then, right? Yet there are so many upset about how the UMC has changed and hurt them. I suppose there was a lot of "loose enforcement" and "no enforcement" of the Discipline forever. But now with the old plan reaffirmed it really pissed some folks off.
No matter how the vote went, some folks are going to end up leaving. The "One Church Plan" is basically like a "State's Rights" government allowing each church (state) to make up their own minds about ordaining/marrying LGBTQ people. But if some did and some didn't that doesn't sound very "united" anyhow. Whether you believe it's okay to be/marry/ordain gays or not, find a place that believes like you do and be happy there.
No they aren’t. I’ve never even heard of most of the hymns we sing at St Mark’s. And my wife’s home church was the huge Picayune UMC church. And they sing the same ones St Mark’s does. About the only time the songs are familiar is Christmas hymns. What I would give to hear “He Arose” at Easter instead of (insert Methodist version of some weird Easter song)
It added teeth. So basically, there’s now a two strike you’re out policy. If any bishop or minister is found to be operating outside of the discipline, the first time they are suspended for a year without pay. The second time their credentials are stripped. But there are still questions as to whether it will be enforced. Which has been the problem in the past.
Yep...it’s disappeared into the CD ethos... but I guess it’s all available on the ‘cloud’. I’m actually gonna go to bed now with my headphones listening to SD.
Peace Be With All of You.
Give it time, someone will tell another that they are going to hell because they don't follow the right doctrine/brand/dogma/branch/etc.
That's what happened to me. I used to go to several churches just so I could worship and after a really nice bible study on a Wednesday night at one different "style" that I had been attending because my best friend went there, I was informed if where I was headed. I left and never went back.
I did join the Methodist church for a while a couple of years later and they were pretty good. Nice folks and devout. A very small church that joined with the Baptist church down the road to host the holiday services of Christmas and Easter. They would trade back and forth and just celebrate together. Nice folks.
If organized religion would just figure out what they have in common instead of the differences it might be something cool for everyone.
But you know them Catholics ain't gonna stand fer that.**
Presbyterian here (Currently bouncing between PCUSA and EPC congregations). I hope that the right decision was made. I’m not convinced PCUSA made the right decision when the issue came up there a few years ago. Hopefully, the UMC (and all churches) are guided down the proper path. We don’t need any more division than we already have in the church, but the line does have to be drawn somewhere.
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