LOCKED - OT: Driving on the highway

[BoomBoom.sixpack]

Nothing is less complicated than "slower traffic keep right."

The slower traffic is on the right: the trucks. He's going faster than them, so he gets to pass on the left. Is "wait your damn turn" simpler?

 

[DAWG61]

There's apparently no room for him to put on his blinker and move to the right, but there IS enough room for some one to pass him on the right. So, that means at bare MINIMUM there's a three car length gap to his right.

Sure it's a three car length the guy behind me is deciding to pass on the right in but it's a three car length in between two semis thus technically not enough space to be passing to and from outta. Sure you can actually pass a car in that amount of space but you aren't supposed to legally.

 

[engie]

There's apparently no room for him to put on his blinker and move to the right, but there IS enough room for some one to pass him on the right. So, that means at bare MINIMUM there's a three car length gap to his right.

Before you even consider the ~12feet per second he’s making up on the car to the right front at 8 mph speed difference. Which in the timeframe needed to complete the maneuver adds another 4-5 car lengths. It’s a 10 car length deal to be done safely. Easily.

In other words - a ton of 17ing space to get the hell out of someone’s way.

 

[o_Hot Rock]

You simply don't see it..

Thank you, it's really not that complicated. I figured I would find the same mentality on this board that I was finding on the road two nights ago and I am right.

It's not a hate thing, its a fact thing. You wrong and too stubborn to admit it.

Get over and let faster traffic pass even if you have to get over 50 times and have to wait to get back in the fast lane. That is the law.

Eventually, you may just learn your narcissistic behavior is wrong but I doubt it.

 

[Drebin]

Before you even consider the ~12feet per second he’s making up on the car to the right front at 8 mph speed difference. Which in the timeframe needed to complete the maneuver adds another 4-5 car lengths. It’s a 10 car length deal to be done safely. Easily.

In other words - a ton of 17ing space to get the hell out of someone’s way.

Engie explains the time and space continuum. **

 

[DAWG61]

It's not a hate thing, its a fact thing. You wrong and too stubborn to admit it.

Get over and let faster traffic pass even if you have to get over 50 times and have to wait to get back in the fast lane. That is the law.

Eventually, you may just learn your narcissistic behavior is wrong but I doubt it.

Except that it isn't the law for me traveling at 78mph actively passing slower vehicles on the right to move over for the guy behind me traveling 85 mph

 

[Hugh's Burner Phone]

I bet this guy could take care of things.

 

[patdog]

Wouldn't matter. It's not about how fast you drive. It's about blending in with traffic. You don't do that, and that's not tolerated in Germany.

 

[BoomBoom.sixpack]

There's apparently no room for him to put on his blinker and move to the right, but there IS enough room for some one to pass him on the right. So, that means at bare MINIMUM there's a three car length gap to his right.

Because the standard is not to get right as soon as possible, slow down to the slower speed of the traffic on the right, and then get back in the left lane when the road owners have cleared out. If you have room to get over, let the terrible driver speed past, then get back left all without having to slow down or risk getting trapped there while a stream of traffic goes by, then you do. If you don't, you don't. If one of the parties has to wait, it's the one that was there last. Common f'ing sense, which I know goes out the window for the subset of drivers that are so terrible at it that they think driving 90 in their rugrat van to save 1 minute is worth it.

Part of this equation is that at least half of the aholes riding my bumper in the left lane, when I do get room to go right they go 1mph faster than me tops, or take several minutes to get up to a faster speed than me in their 4 banger POS.. Ooh, so sorry to slow you down by that 1mph.

Amazing how many people think all drivers should defer to the fastest, that everyone else should inconvenience themselves as much as possible so that the speed demons don't have to wait a few seconds.

 

[Drebin]

The slower traffic is on the right: the trucks. He's going faster than them, so he gets to pass on the left. Is "wait your damn turn" simpler?

No genius, the slower traffic is you in the left lane, holding up others. Those in the right lane are actually obeying the law and keeping right.

 

[BoomBoom.sixpack]

No genius, the slower traffic is you in the left lane, holding up others. Those in the right lane are actually obeying the law and keeping right.

But he's also faster traffic than the trucks, giving him the right to use the left lane. If there's an Amish buggy going 5mph on the right, he's supposed to get right and get trapped there for who knows how long just so you don't have to wait a few seconds?

 

[Drebin]

But he's also faster traffic than the trucks, giving him the right to use the left lane. If there's an Amish buggy going 5mph on the right, he's supposed to get right and get trapped there for who knows how long just so you don't have to wait a few seconds?

You're just arguing to argue. He doesn't have the "right to use the left lane." He has the right to pass traffic ahead of him using the left lane. THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE LEFT LANE. You pass, and then you get back over.

 

[DAWG61]

Wouldn't matter. It's not about how fast you drive. It's about blending in with traffic. You don't do that, and that's not tolerated in Germany.

patdog when I am in Germany and driving on the autobahn I will be going over 100mph. That's the whole attraction to using that damn road. I'm not gonna go outta my way to rent a car to go on the fastest road in the world just to drive 78mph.

 

[BoomBoom.sixpack]

You're just arguing to argue. He doesn't have the "right to use the left lane." He has the right to pass traffic ahead of him using the left lane. THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE LEFT LANE. You pass, and then you get back over.

Pretty sure that's what I've been saying this whole time. The opposing argument is that he doesn't get to use the left lane if at any point it will require a later arrival to slow down.

He passes, then gets over. Meanwhile, anyone behind him waits their turn.

Also, you didn't answer my question.

 

[DAWG61]

You're just arguing to argue. He doesn't have the "right to use the left lane." He has the right to pass traffic ahead of him using the left lane. THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE LEFT LANE. You pass, and then you get back over.

Except I haven't finished passing traffic. Like I said it was a whole bunch of trucks on the right.

 

[Drebin]

Pretty sure that's what I've been saying this whole time. The opposing argument is that he doesn't get to use the left lane if at any point it will require a later arrival to slow down.

He passes, then gets over. Meanwhile, anyone behind him waits their turn.

Also, you didn't answer my question.

Maybe you should go back and read the thread. The disqualifier is his acknowledgement of being passed on the right. If that ever happens, you're in the wrong and need to get over. It's not a debatable point. There is no acceptable response to that. Get out of the left lane.

His statement about not being able to get back over into the right line is horseshit. What he's saying is that it's okay to run in the left lane as long as he wants to, knowing he may be coming up on slower traffic on the right. The answer to that is no, it's not okay. If he can get over into the right lane with faster traffic behind him, he must get over, even if it means he has to slow down once he gets there. The alternative is to speed your *** up and drive as fast as everyone else in the left lane, but even then, you need to get over when it's safe to do so.

 

[Drebin]

Except I haven't finished passing traffic. Like I said it was a whole bunch of trucks on the right.

So if there's 100 feet between trucks, you are okay to stay in the left until you pass all of them?

That would be incorrect. If someone can pass you on the right, then you need to get your *** out of the left lane.

 

[DAWG61]

Maybe you should go back and read the thread. The disqualifier is his acknowledgement of being passed on the right. If that ever happens, you're in the wrong and need to get over. It's not a debatable point. There is no acceptable response to that. Get out of the left lane.

His statement about not being able to get back over into the right line is horseshit. What he's saying is that it's okay to run in the left lane as long as he wants to, knowing he may be coming up on slower traffic on the right. The answer to that is no, it's not okay. If he can get over into the right lane with faster traffic behind him, he must get over, even if it means he has to slow down once he gets there. The alternative is to speed your *** up and drive as fast as everyone else in the left lane, but even then, you need to get over when it's safe to do so.

There's a speed limit for a reason. My entire point is that you at 85mph don't have more right to the left lane than me at 78mph when the speed limit is 70mph. If you do than there's zero point for speed limits.

 

[GTAT]

This thread has some serious sheep-think going on. Not sure when it become lawful to SPEED, but I digress.

DAWG61 is wrong in that he's staying in the left lane, attempting to be "Barney Fife" and simply being selfish, as another poster said.

But if he's truly going 78, then people passing him are going too fast. We all know the drill, the cops give you 10 mph over the limit, you can get as close as you want to the limit without hitting it, but once you do, blue lights. We all know that. So if you are passing him at 78, and not the rare person going 79, then you are speeding and breaking the law.

Both are in the wrong, but honestly, DAWG61 is less wrong. He's definitely kind of an *******, though, but we knew that already.

 

[BoomBoom.sixpack]

Maybe you should go back and read the thread. The disqualifier is his acknowledgement of being passed on the right. If that ever happens, you're in the wrong and need to get over. It's not a debatable point. There is no acceptable response to that. Get out of the left lane.

His statement about not being able to get back over into the right line is horseshit. What he's saying is that it's okay to run in the left lane as long as he wants to, knowing he may be coming up on slower traffic on the right. The answer to that is no, it's not okay. If he can get over into the right lane with faster traffic behind him, he must get over, even if it means he has to slow down once he gets there. The alternative is to speed your *** up and drive as fast as everyone else in the left lane, but even then, you need to get over when it's safe to do so.

I'm not the one that needs to re-read the thread, as this has been covered. Anyone who has driven the interstate should understand that, while passing, a gap may appear that you could merge into, but would likely trap you there in slower traffic. You've never been stuck on the right and have every gap on the left get grabbed by the car behind you, over and over? If the front driver in the left lane feels they'll get trapped in that gap, they are well within the bounds of common courtesy to just keep passing until a more opportune moment to get right avails itself. You aren't owed ****, special snowflake. They don't have to trap themselves for your convenience. Wait your turn like an adult.

I've had aholes pass on the right SHOULDER. just because someone can pass doesn't mean ****.

 

[engie]

I'm not the one that needs to re-read the thread, as this has been covered. Anyone who has driven the interstate should understand that, while passing, a gap may appear that you could merge into, but would likely trap you there in slower traffic. You've never been stuck on the right and have every gap on the left get grabbed by the car behind you, over and over? If the front driver in the left lane feels they'll get trapped in that gap, they are well within the bounds of common courtesy to just keep passing until a more opportune moment to get right avails itself. You aren't owed ****, special snowflake. They don't have to trap themselves for your convenience. Wait your turn like an adult.

I've had aholes pass on the right SHOULDER. just because someone can pass doesn't mean ****.

Thisl is so much ********, I just had to quote to assure it’s preserved. Everyone else is snowflakes for being considerate of everyone else, but you and 61 are not, because you don’t give a 17 about anyone around you. That about the gist of it?

If you “get stuck in the right lane” as you describe, it’s an eternally better reason to get your *** over there in the first place. Obviously you were holding up a 17ton of traffic.

 

[BoomBoom.sixpack]

Thisl is so much ********, I just had to quote to assure it’s preserved. Everyone else is snowflakes for being considerate of everyone else, but you and 61 are not, because you don’t give a 17 about anyone around you. That about the gist of it?

If you “get stuck in the right lane” as you describe, it’s an eternally better reason to get your *** over there in the first place. Obviously you were holding up a 17ton of traffic.

I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you. Staying permanently in the left lane would be "not giving a 17 about anyone around you". No one is defending that. Demanding I get right at the first gap, even when it will trap me at lower speeds for a good amount of time when I could have just spent 10 more seconds passing on the left, is being an ahole who doesn't give a 17 about anyone around you. Use some common sense. If there's a long line of traffic on the right and a long line of traffic behind you on the left, try to find a gap to merge into AS A COURTESY. If you can pass a few vehicles and then merge right without having to slow down, do so, and the guy behind him should patiently wait a few seconds for that AS A COURTESY.

The only problem here is you ******** think you are owed an open lane on the left. You aren't. If it's open, use it however you like. But it's there for anyone who needs to pass. If someone is using it before you, wait your turn *******.

 

[Hump4Hoops]

You continue to miss the entire point.

Your exact speed does *not* matter in this equation whatsoever. Also, I'd like to see this magical unbreakable convoy of trucks hogging the right lane for miles and miles. I have a hunch that you're completely full of ****.

Simply put, you're wrong. And a dick. You're a wrong dick.

 

[Go Budaw]

So if there's 100 feet between trucks, you are okay to stay in the left until you pass all of them?

That would be incorrect. If someone can pass you on the right, then you need to get your *** out of the left lane.

Maybe semantics, but this is technically incorrect. Pretty much every highway safety manual ever written calls out 1 car length (about 15 feet) of following distance for every 10mph of travel. At 70mph, that means putting about 100 feet between you and the car in front of you. There is no way to safely merge into the right lane if the gap is only 100 feet total. Driver merging back right would put either himself or the vehicle behind him in a position where they were not practicing the required safe folllowing distance. Also, this is for passenger vehicles. Guideline for big rigs is a much longer distance due to longer required stopping distance.

Does this mean it is always practical to follow this rule in congested traffic? Of course not, but that brings it into a gray area, which is where most heated disagreements between motorists and accidents happen in traffic. Simply put, there are often scenarios where individual drivers have to choose the lesser of multiple evils. In the case of congested right lane vs. speeding traffic in the left lane behind a driver that is passing the slower right side vehicles, the driver has to weigh multiple options: should they move over and slow down, should they speed up to relieve the left lane congestion, or should they maintain their current rate of speed while passing until it is safe to move right? The correct decision there is going to change on a case by case basis based on everything....the types, number, and speeds of surrounding vehicles, road / weather conditions, time of day, etc.

The point is that it’s simply incorrect to say that it is ALWAYS the correct move to practice any particular vehicle maneuver, including merging right immediately after passing in the left lane. If you go by the letter of the law, it’s illegal to speed, illegal to hang out in the left lane, and illegal to follow too closely. None of those things is more illegal than the other. If you are the trailing vehicle behind a slow LH driver, you can add right lane passing to the list. One can only hope that the OP made the best decision based on his individual situation each time he was given the opportunity. But its not as black and white as many folks in this thread are making it seem.

 

[LawDawg97]

Thank God Tomorrow's Friday where we

can get back to threads started by IMPP instead of DAWG61.

Why you thought bringing this argument here would change anyone's mind is beyond me. Next time just scream at the window like a conventional nut job.

 

[HotMop]

I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you. Staying permanently in the left lane would be "not giving a 17 about anyone around you". No one is defending that. Demanding I get right at the first gap, even when it will trap me at lower speeds for a good amount of time when I could have just spent 10 more seconds passing on the left, is being an ahole who doesn't give a 17 about anyone around you. Use some common sense. If there's a long line of traffic on the right and a long line of traffic behind you on the left, try to find a gap to merge into AS A COURTESY. If you can pass a few vehicles and then merge right without having to slow down, do so, and the guy behind him should patiently wait a few seconds for that AS A COURTESY.

The only problem here is you ******** think you are owed an open lane on the left. You aren't. If it's open, use it however you like. But it's there for anyone who needs to pass. If someone is using it before you, wait your turn *******.

You've basically just pointed out that you drive like an *******.

 

[DAWG61]

Also, I'd like to see this magical unbreakable convoy of trucks hogging the right lane for miles and miles. I have a hunch that you're completely full of ****.

Drive on I75 North headed towards Knoxville at 7:30pm before the MSU/UT game next time if you don't believe me. It was a whole bunch of ******** speeding to get to their seats I am guessing. I was in my seat 20 minutes before tip.

 

[dawgstudent]

LOCK IT UP.