Lamar Peters - 0 points

[57stratdawg]

That can’t happen

 

[Sickdawg]

He’s lost all his confidence taking it to the hoop, always passes it no matter how open he is down there. I remember his freshman year he was making Kyrie Irving-esq finishes down there against Kentucky. Don’t know what’s happened

 

[bruiser.sixpack]

Apparently he and Holman chum around together.***

 

[coach66]

He isn’t finishing, he’s got too much horizontal and

Not enough vertical. Should be picking up fouls but you don’t when you don’t go vertical. Also, when you play horizontal you miss a lot of easy layups because you have no touch.

 

[DAWGS1.sixpack]

Point guards don’t have to score a lot of points but he only took like 4 shots tonight and didn’t drive inside at all really but they are really tall and long so maybe it was by design.
He just needs to play shut down D, assist, not turn it over and that’s enough usually when Q is hitting shots and we can get inside with Perry.
Holman needs a run like Dontae Jones come March and we’ll be ok.

 

[PubDawg]

We won because he didn’t take fade-away threes and miss... and giving UGA the rebound. Wish I had stats on our players in men’s ball following their shots and rebounding vs the women’s team. I don’t think it’s close.

 

[Lawdawg.sixpack]

I wish he could learn Carter’s floater in the lane. Because he can get there whenever he wants.

 

[mstateglfr]

We won because he didn’t take fade-away threes and miss... and giving UGA the rebound. Wish I had stats on our players in men’s ball following their shots and rebounding vs the women’s team. I don’t think it’s close.

There is a reason why men's basketball doesnt have outside shooters following their shots very often.
Same reason why its pretty rare in the NBA.

It happens sometimes, sure, but not often and for good reason.

Women's game is a different style. I remember being able to follow my shot too...in it high.

 

[coach66]

No doubt that would be a great addition to his game.

nm

 

[17thebears]

We won because he didn’t take fade-away threes and miss... and giving UGA the rebound. Wish I had stats on our players in men’s ball following their shots and rebounding vs the women’s team. I don’t think it’s close.

You understand that if he shoots from the top of the key he isn't supposed to follow his shot, right?

 

[Faustdog]

He only shot the ball four times. Obviously you’d like to see him make a few of those, but I didn’t have a problem with his game.

We can win with Lamar as a facilitator, and he made some beautiful passes that others couldn’t finish.

 

[theeleven]

He only shot the ball four times. Obviously you’d like to see him make a few of those, but I didn’t have a problem with his game.

We can win with Lamar as a facilitator, and he made some beautiful passes that others couldn’t finish.

This. Peters loses out on about 2-3 assists per game due to inept post play by Ado. Although Ado had a decent game last night finishing, he's pretty slow in getting the ball up to basketball usually resulting in a turnover/jump ball scenario. Still, Peters continues to try and find him in the post. There was a couple of times late last night when Peters tried to make difficult passes down low to Ado, which is usually not a high percentage play. In crunch time situations, it'd be nice for Peters to show a little more awareness and look to get the ball elsewhere, however.

 

[maroonmania]

That can’t happen

Even though we are winning its hard to feel good about this team. Nick is probably done for the year for whatever his issue is and then you have Lamar and Aric that seem totally lost, as a JR and a SR no less. Q and Perry with some help from Tyson are basically carrying this team at the moment but I'm not sure how much longer they can do that without some additional help.

 

[KentuckyDawg13]

Almost all of his passes were not "beautiful", they were lackluster and just ill-advised. One of the floaters to Ado with 4 UGA players surrounding Ado was just plain stupid. It was obvious the entire game, Lamar was in his selfish mode but thankfully for the the team, he didn't take it over the edge like he has multiple times. So, there was some positive to his play.

 

[johnson86-1]

Almost all of his passes were not "beautiful", they were lackluster and just ill-advised. One of the floaters to Ado with 4 UGA players surrounding Ado was just plain stupid. It was obvious the entire game, Lamar was in his selfish mode but thankfully for the the team, he didn't take it over the edge like he has multiple times. So, there was some positive to his play.

I missed the game, but how did Lamar manage t be in selfish mode and only put up 4 shots?

 

[Mafiadawg]

I know people keep saying they don’t know whether or not Lamar will be back next year. I know one place he will not be and that is the NBA. Can we please stop with that silly talk?

 

[KentuckyDawg13]

You missed the game, go watch it and then think about a response.

 

[philduckworth]

If Howland would play our best 5 players for most of the game, we can be a very good team. But Howland is not willing to do that. Woodard brings much more to the table than Peters, but Woodard only gets 18 minutes last night.

 

[Faustdog]

I missed the game, but how did Lamar manage t be in selfish mode and only put up 4 shots?

He wasn’t selfish, and he actually only shot the ball three times.

Lamar is quickly approaching the Jamont Gordon level of stupid criticism by MSU fans.

 

[anon1787432961]

Big picture...

Lamar only had 2 turnovers
I show that he shot the ball only 3 times
Back when I played I didn't care if I had zero points. Feed whoever is hot that night. I got hot about once every 300 games.

 

[ArcherSPS]

I honestly question how much of the game you actually watched to come to the conclusion that he was in “selfish mode”.

 

[philduckworth]

Big picture...

Lamar only had 2 turnovers
I show that he shot the ball only 3 times
Back when I played I didn't care if I had zero points. Feed whoever is hot that night. I got hot about once every 300 games.

Bigger picture, conference games only stats, Lamar is last on our team in almost every advanced statistic: last in Player efficiency rating, last in win shares per 40 minutes, last in win share total-this is an estimate of wins contributed due to his offense and defense yet he is 2nd on the team in minutes played and 2nd on the team in usage percentage.

He is also last on the team in true FG percentage and effective FG percentage. Yet he is first on 3 point attempt rate. Damn.

With Nick out, this is our best lineup: Carter, Q, Woodard, Perry, and Ado. When Lamar gets hot, let him go. But we don't have to play him 30 minutes a game. Howland is a very slow learner though.

 

[StarkVegas Steve]

The thing that's concerning to me is that it doesn't look like Lamar is even trying to drive anymore. Earlier in conference play he was constantly looking to get to the hole. But I'll say this, he was mature enough to know it wasn't his night. Earlier in his career he'd have tried to force it and ended up missing 7 or 8 shots and shooting us out of the game.

 

[msstate7]

Big picture...

Lamar only had 2 turnovers
I show that he shot the ball only 3 times
Back when I played I didn't care if I had zero points. Feed whoever is hot that night. I got hot about once every 300 games.

He also only had 2 assists. 1:1 assist to TO ratio is not good

 

[anon1787432961]

My view. I've seen him take over a game when needed. And he can at any time.

Didn't have to last night. But I'll bet on him doing it soon just like he did against Wofford.

Probably the least selfish player on our team and there's no surprise we just won 3 road games.

 

[philduckworth]

My view. I've seen him take over a game when needed. And he can at any time.

Didn't have to last night. But I'll bet on him doing it soon just like he did against Wofford.

Probably the least selfish player on our team and there's no surprise we just won 3 road games.

Lamar was incredible against Clemson and McNeese State. He was very good against Alabama in Starkville and Wofford. He was also very efficient vs Cincinnati. The rest of the season has been very up and down to put it nicely.

 

[KentuckyDawg13]

i.e. selfish

 

[anon1787432961]

Lamar was incredible against Clemson and McNeese State. He was very good against Alabama in Starkville and Wofford. He was also very efficient vs Cincinnati. The rest of the season has been very up and down to put it nicely.

Agreed. And Q has upped his consistency lately. And Lamar has let Q shoot and lead.

And I would too if I were him. He's playing within the game and playing through a slump. Something he's needed to work on.

But I'll bet anyone he'll drop 25 when we need him to and break more ankles.

When he's hot he's unlike any other player I've ever seen at State. Or in the SEC for that matter.

 

[Faustdog]

I'm one of the biggest Tyson Carter fans around, but if you want him running point and handling the ball for extended periods against pressure defense, you've got more confidence in his ball handling ability than I do.

 

[mstateglfr]

If Howland would play our best 5 players for most of the game, we can be a very good team. But Howland is not willing to do that. Woodard brings much more to the table than Peters, but Woodard only gets 18 minutes last night.

Who are the best 5 and would you at least acknowledge that having bench players is vital to success?

Some posts about basletball...my gosh its shocking to read them. Funny, since i think this each year when reading the board.

The team would be brutally bad with just 5 playing. They don't have the stamina to be effective for 200min split up by 5.
Woodard isnt a ball handler so wanting to sub him for Peters is...curious.

 

[mstateglfr]

He also only had 2 assists. 1:1 assist to TO ratio is not good

A PG's a/to ratio is heavily dependant on outside factors.
They can make all the right passes, but if the shooters miss...well that isnt on the PG.

A PG can bring the ball up against the press, set up the offense, penetrate off the screen, and the kick it out only for another player to drive the basket and its no longer an assist due to the driving player dribbling a few times and cutting around a defender in the paint.
In the end, if a basket is scored, that's what is important. But Peters doesnt get an assist, even though he was responsible for getting the ball safely down the court and creating the space for the basket to be scored.


But yeah, let's base opinion off a simple a/to ratio.

 

[philduckworth]

I'm one of the biggest Tyson Carter fans around, but if you want him running point and handling the ball for extended periods against pressure defense, you've got more confidence in his ball handling ability than I do.

There was no pressure defense last night. UGA sat back in a zone. Yes, I would rather the ball be in Tyson's hands than Lamar's. In conference games, Lamar has a 20.3 turnover percentage (estimate of turnovers per 100 plays). Only Ado is worse. Tyson is 2nd best on the team at 11.6. Perry is 11.4.

 

[philduckworth]

Who are the best 5 and would you at least acknowledge that having bench players is vital to success?

Some posts about basletball...my gosh its shocking to read them. Funny, since i think this each year when reading the board.

The team would be brutally bad with just 5 playing. They don't have the stamina to be effective for 200min split up by 5.
Woodard isnt a ball handler so wanting to sub him for Peters is...curious.

Of course bench is important. Wooden only played 6 guys. Duke usually only plays 6-7 guys. We played 7 guys in our Final 4 run. Villanova played 6-7 guys last year. Lamar could be a weapon off the bench and provide a spark. And if he's hot, you let him roll. But our best 5 right now is Carter, Q, Woodard, Perry and Ado. I would love to see those guys play 25-30 minutes together per game. Last night, they barely played together if at all.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

There is a reason why men's basketball doesnt have outside shooters following their shots very often.
Same reason why its pretty rare in the NBA.

It happens sometimes, sure, but not often and for good reason.

Women's game is a different style. I remember being able to follow my shot too...in it high.

I had to follow my shot in high school because I used to miss a lot.

 

[CadaverDawg]

There was no pressure defense last night. UGA sat back in a zone. Yes, I would rather the ball be in Tyson's hands than Lamar's. In conference games, Lamar has a 20.3 turnover percentage (estimate of turnovers per 100 plays). Only Ado is worse. Tyson is 2nd best on the team at 11.6. Perry is 11.4.

He is Lamar Ervin...all flash, all hype, no results. Only once every 8 games or so do we get Lamar Peters. Every other night we get a more highly recruited Gary Ervin. If fatigue wasn't an issue I'd be fine if he and the corpse of Aric Holman never saw the court again. But we need the depth. I'm sure that will not be a popular opinion, and I value Lamar 10 times more than Holman...Holman isn't even trying out there anymore.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

Agreed. And Q has upped his consistency lately. And Lamar has let Q shoot and lead.

And I would too if I were him. He's playing within the game and playing through a slump. Something he's needed to work on.

But I'll bet anyone he'll drop 25 when we need him to and break more ankles.

When he's hot he's unlike any other player I've ever seen at State. Or in the SEC for that matter.

Exactly what the guys covering basketball games have alluded to. We have a good team but when Lamar is hot, we really are hard to beat. Nearly every analyst has said this when talking about our team.

Peters drives me nuts and reminds me a lot of Gordon. Gordon was really something special when he was a senior and if Lamar can hang around another year, he might be even better. He needs to add some patience to his game.

 

[Tall Dawg]

If Howland would play our best 5 players for most of the game, we can be a very good team. But Howland is not willing to do that. Woodard brings much more to the table than Peters, but Woodard only gets 18 minutes last night.

Glad to see Woodard got 18 minutes last night. Hail of a lot better than the 80-90 “seconds” he only got in 2nd half of LSU game! And, he has played a lot more since the LSU game.
IF he would have gotten 7-8 minutes in 2nd half of LSU we would have won, No doubt.

 

[philduckworth]

Glad to see Woodard got 18 minutes last night. Hail of a lot better than the 80-90 “seconds” he only got in 2nd half of LSU game! And, he has played a lot more since the LSU game.
IF he would have gotten 7-8 minutes in 2nd half of LSU we would have won, No doubt.

He played 25 vs Bama and 24 vs Arkansas so his minutes were inexplicably/criminally down last night. I hoped a side effect of Nick being out would be that Woodard would get more minutes. It's really just been Tyson getting the extra minutes up to this point.

 

[msstate7]

A PG's a/to ratio is heavily dependant on outside factors.
They can make all the right passes, but if the shooters miss...well that isnt on the PG.

A PG can bring the ball up against the press, set up the offense, penetrate off the screen, and the kick it out only for another player to drive the basket and its no longer an assist due to the driving player dribbling a few times and cutting around a defender in the paint.
In the end, if a basket is scored, that's what is important. But Peters doesnt get an assist, even though he was responsible for getting the ball safely down the court and creating the space for the basket to be scored.


But yeah, let's base opinion off a simple a/to ratio.

Did you watch the game? The only guard we had that attacked the zone was Q. Peters did nothing last night

 

[whosyourdawgy]

He’s obviously lost confidence in his shot, especially trying to finish at the rim. Is the left wrist hurting him more than we are made aware of? Regardless of all you dogging his **** here, if we are to make a run in the NCAA, we need him confident, breaking ankles, and burying open 3’s. It wasn’t too many games ago he was deadly from long range. Especially off the catch and shoot 3’s. I do agree that him penetrating and dishing to Ado is a wasted possession more often than not. Good Lord it’s hard to watch that 6’11 man with the basketball in his hands. Catch that mofo, turn and jump straight up, and dunk the mofo! What does a 6’11 man need to catch it and pump fake forty times before attempting a shot? How many balls has he had slapped out of his hands doing that? The end of the Ole Miss game is prime example. Sorry for getting off of Lamar. We need him to get healthy, his mind right, or whatever is going on especially if Nick is going to be out. I still say he will be the straw that stirs our drink if we are to make a run.