Chloe Bibby ACL surgery is today.

[patdog]

Hope it goes well.

 

[Joe Schmedlap]

Is she going to Birmingham for the surgery?

 

[KentuckyDawg13]

Graft or cadaver replacement? I had the latter, seems surgeons are going back to the former lately.

 

[Drebin]

Graft or cadaver replacement? I had the latter, seems surgeons are going back to the former lately.

I had the latter as well. Kinda creepy, huh?

They've perfected the graft procedure over time, but I still don't see how it's the viable approach for elite athletes. Seems like it would be easier to injure. But I'm no doctor.

 

[T-TownDawgg]

I understand the graft heals faster and makes a stronger repair. Or at least that's the way I heard it

 

[Drebin]

I understand the graft heals faster and makes a stronger repair. Or at least that's the way I heard it

Yeah, I've heard that it heals faster and it seems like the more viable solution for a weekend warrior. It just doesn't seem right to me for elite athletes. But aGAIN, I'm no doctor, so what the hell do I know?

 

[T-TownDawgg]

I had the patellar tendon graft. The patella pain associated with kneeling on hard surfaces is for real, but seems to be the only drawback I've had.

Just lifted this from a quick search:

Allograft (Donor Tissue)
Allograft is most commonly used recreational athletes (as opposed to competitive athletes), or patients who are undergoing revision ACL surgery (when an ACL reconstruction fails). Studies have clearly shown that allograft (donor tissue from a cadaver) is not as strong as a patient's own tissue (autograft). For many patients, however, the strength of the reconstructed ACL using an allograft is sufficient for their demands. Therefore this may be an excellent option for patients not planning to participate in high-demand sports (e.g. soccer, basketball, etc.).

Advantages: Performing ACL surgery using allograft allows for decreased operative time, no need to remove other tissue to use for the graft, smaller incisions, and less post-operative pain. Furthermore, if the graft were to fail, revision surgery could be performed using either the patellar tendon or hamstring grafts.
Disadvantages: Historically, these grafts were of poor quality and carried a significant risk of disease transmission. More recently, techniques of allograft preparation have improved dramatically, and these concerns are less of an issue. However, the process of graft preparation (freeze-drying), kills the living cells and decreases the strength of the tissue. There is also the concern of disease transmission. While sterilization and graft preparation minimizes this risk, it does not eliminate it entirely.

 

[Shamoan]

so sansa is basically a white walker now?

 

[Drebin]

I had the patellar tendon graft. The patella pain associated with kneeling on hard surfaces is for real, but seems to be the only drawback I've had.

Just lifted this from a quick search:

Allograft (Donor Tissue)
Allograft is most commonly used recreational athletes (as opposed to competitive athletes), or patients who are undergoing revision ACL surgery (when an ACL reconstruction fails). Studies have clearly shown that allograft (donor tissue from a cadaver) is not as strong as a patient's own tissue (autograft). For many patients, however, the strength of the reconstructed ACL using an allograft is sufficient for their demands. Therefore this may be an excellent option for patients not planning to participate in high-demand sports (e.g. soccer, basketball, etc.).

Advantages: Performing ACL surgery using allograft allows for decreased operative time, no need to remove other tissue to use for the graft, smaller incisions, and less post-operative pain. Furthermore, if the graft were to fail, revision surgery could be performed using either the patellar tendon or hamstring grafts.
Disadvantages: Historically, these grafts were of poor quality and carried a significant risk of disease transmission. More recently, techniques of allograft preparation have improved dramatically, and these concerns are less of an issue. However, the process of graft preparation (freeze-drying), kills the living cells and decreases the strength of the tissue. There is also the concern of disease transmission. While sterilization and graft preparation minimizes this risk, it does not eliminate it entirely.

Thanks for the info.

I've had a half dozen knee surgeries in my life so all of this is near and dear to my heart.

 

[T-TownDawgg]

Half dozen? Holy ****. Just the one is plenty enough torture for me.

Also, physical therapists are Atheists. They gotta be.

 

[Drebin]

Half dozen? Holy ****. Just the one is plenty enough torture for me.

Also, physical therapists are Atheists. They gotta be.

Yes. Two in the right, four in the left. Right one was an ACL tear and a meniscus. Left was full reconstruction, meniscus, microfracture, and total replacement.

And yes, physical therapists suck.

I had shoulder reconstruction last year and the rehab for that was far worse than anything I ever had to do with the knee.

 

[KentuckyDawg13]

Thanks for the info. Had my left ACL/MCL/meniscus repaired in 2012. Been racing road/mtbikes again since 2014, no major issues. For an old fart to come back from it, it should be cake for 21 yr olds.

 

[G-Dawg]

Yes. Two in the right, four in the left. Right one was an ACL tear and a meniscus. Left was full reconstruction, meniscus, microfracture, and total replacement.

And yes, physical therapists suck.

I had shoulder reconstruction last year and the rehab for that was far worse than anything I ever had to do with the knee.

How freaking long did you play in the NFL?? Holy crap. Sorry for your pain, dude. That hurt me reading it.

 

[Drebin]

How freaking long did you play in the NFL?? Holy crap. Sorry for your pain, dude. That hurt me reading it.

The surgeries weren't terrible. The replacement was the most traumatic surgery, obviously. Of the knees, the microfracture was the toughest recovery because I couldn't put weight on it for 12 weeks afterwards. The meniscus surgeries were cake...outpatient, in and out, and quick recovery.

I have osteoarthritis, so that's my problem.

 

[bruiser.sixpack]

The surgeries weren't terrible. The replacement was the most traumatic surgery, obviously. Of the knees, the microfracture was the toughest recovery because I couldn't put weight on it for 12 weeks afterwards. The meniscus surgeries were cake...outpatient, in and out, and quick recovery.

I have osteoarthritis, so that's my problem.

I have this as well. 3 scopes on the right knee for meniscus tear. The 1st one didn’t fix it, and the second one left floating cartilage, so the 3rd one cleaned it up. All in the same year. Then was the senior Dr. Barrett. Now I see the young Dr. Barrett.

 

[Nama Carl]

The surgeries weren't terrible. The replacement was the most traumatic surgery, obviously. Of the knees, the microfracture was the toughest recovery because I couldn't put weight on it for 12 weeks afterwards. The meniscus surgeries were cake...outpatient, in and out, and quick recovery.

I have osteoarthritis, so that's my problem.

Sounds like you need to do yoga

 

[Bulldogg31]

They are actually doing a procedure now called a Z-Lig, which uses a ligament from a pig, which has been altered so the human body won’t reject it. Seems like I read about it a couple of years ago.

 

[KentuckyDawg13]

Interesting. Have not heard of the Z-Lig. Wonder if it is kosher? ;-)