Schrader will be the starter next season

[ChinaDogSunflower]

Buckle up boys and gals, we're in for a good old-fashioned rebuild. True Freshman qb and all. I can see it now. Moorhead will go with his hand picked guy and go with the growing pains.

If he had confidence in Key to run his offense, he wouldn't risk injuring the guy by having him take handoffs and run slot routes in the bowl game.

Having said that, Garrett should smash some passing records while here.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Shrader needs a lot of work. No way he starts.

 

[DAWG61]

Wrong

 

[Requiem For A Dawg]

I keep seeing this on various State message boards and do not get it. No one has seen enough of Shrader to make that judgement. Projecting a quarterback from the small HS league that he played in to the SEC is asinine. Projecting a quarterback in general is a crapshoot. Shea Patterson was the #1 QB in the nation coming out of HS, and he has been very average.

Very few true freshman quarterbacks can handle the SEC physically and mentally.

 

[Seinfeld]

I’d love to argue against this, but I’m still trying to wrap my head around the fact that both KT and Mayden saw essentially zero action after week 1.

Moorhead may be forced into starting KT next year due to other things not panning out, but no one’s gonna convince me that he wants either one of our current QBs as his starter

 

[Jacknut1]

I just don't get this narrative that Thompson or Mayden can't get it done. Is there a quote from Joe I missed or is it just wishful thinking?

 

[Willow Grove Dawg]

Schrader is definitely Moorhead's guy, but don't forget that KT was a lot higher rated recruit than Schrader (#176 national vs. #248) national. KT has really not been given a chance to perform on the field yet in his career.

 

[GhostOfJackie]

Schrader is definitely Moorhead's guy, but don't forget that KT was a lot higher rated recruit than Schrader (#176 national vs. #248) national. KT has really not been given a chance to perform on the field yet in his career.

He played the entirety of 2 straight games for us. One being a bowl game.

Or was Nick just suspended for the first half of the Kansas State game?

 

[FreeDawg]

Putting all these expectations on Shrader is too much but the flip-side is that JoMo doesn’t want to start KT. If he did he doesn’t go all-in for Kelly Bryant.

 

[Drebin]

Buckle up boys and gals, we're in for a good old-fashioned rebuild. True Freshman qb and all. I can see it now. Moorhead will go with his hand picked guy and go with the growing pains.

If he had confidence in Key to run his offense, he wouldn't risk injuring the guy by having him take handoffs and run slot routes in the bowl game.

Having said that, Garrett should smash some passing records while here.

Schrader won't be the starter next year. Not unless something bad happens to someone ahead of him.

 

[Seinfeld]

It’s what we all witnissed on the field. Countless comments surrounding Nick’s inability to read a defense or run the RPO, yet even while Nick was throwing for 60 yds and 4 picks against LSU, at no point did Joe even hint towards going in another direction. All this while knowing that this would be his last season

It’s anyone’s guess at this point as to how things will turn out heading into next year, but it doesn’t take much reading of the tea leaves to see that Joe clearly isn’t confident in KT

 

[msu_wx]

Not dismissing your point, but....

I keep seeing this on various State message boards and do not get it. No one has seen enough of Shrader to make that judgement. Projecting a quarterback from the small HS league that he played in to the SEC is asinine. Projecting a quarterback in general is a crapshoot. Shea Patterson was the #1 QB in the nation coming out of HS, and he has been very average.

Very few true freshman quarterbacks can handle the SEC physically and mentally.

Charlotte Catholic does not play in a small conference. They play in the second highest classification in NC against all public schools, and that school is huge.

But the facts about a freshman SEC QB are quite valid.

 

[Clarence Boddicker]

There is an answer to all this - JUSTIN M'FING FIELDS, JoMo's very own version of Cam Newton

But in reality, just flip Mingo and Ealy and we'll be good.

 

[patdog]

Some things never change. The backup QB or the QB we just signed is going to be the savior. He may be a 3-year starter, smash all records, and be the #1 pick in the draft as a JR. Or he may be a career backup who can't ever crack the starting lineup and transfers or gets processed. You just don't know. I don't know either, and truthfully, even Joe Moorhead doesn't know for sure.

 

[Requiem For A Dawg]

He goes to Charlotte Christian not Charlotte Catholic. They play in an independent school league, not affiliated with their public schools. Shrader’s playoffs had 1 round then the championship.

 

[Requiem For A Dawg]

There is an answer to all this - JUSTIN M'FING FIELDS, JoMo's very own version of Cam Newton

But in reality, just flip Mingo and Ealy and we'll be good.

Fields isn’t coming here. Mingo might. Ealy isn’t going to college anywhere.

 

[Clarence Boddicker]

Ealy isn’t going to college anywhere.

Why do a select few keep saying this like we don't already know, I mean duh

 

[RiverCityDawg]

I’d love to argue against this, but I’m still trying to wrap my head around the fact that both KT and Mayden saw essentially zero action after week 1.

Moorhead may be forced into starting KT next year due to other things not panning out, but no one’s gonna convince me that he wants either one of our current QBs as his starter

I don't think Joe is very confident in KT as the guy next year either, but only because Of how hard he pursued Bryant.

I don't think KT or Mayden's playing time this year has anything at all to do with it. When exactly would have been a good time to get them snaps? Fitz needed as many reps as possible in the KSU and ULL games to get ready for SEC play. We were pretty much fighting to win games for the next 5 weeks so the starter and best guy has to play. Against La Tech you again needed to get reps for Fitz, but still backups played the whole fourth quarter. Same story against Arkansas. I'm just not sure what you were expecting, most backup quarterbacks don't play very much regardless of what the coach thinks of them.

 

[msu_wx]

You are correct. That’s what I get for posting before coffee.

However, Charlotte Christian did beat Charlotte Catholic this season FWIW.

 

[RiverCityDawg]

Schrader is definitely Moorhead's guy, but don't forget that KT was a lot higher rated recruit than Schrader (#176 national vs. #248) national. KT has really not been given a chance to perform on the field yet in his career.

You have to forget the QB rankings. This is about ability to run a RPO offense because by god clearly that's what Joe is going to run. Trevor Lawrence was the top quarterback recruit in the country, but he would not be the best in the country at running a triple option Navy/Army/GT style offense. This is a little less extreme, but sams concept. You might counter with "well a great coach tailors his offense to his personnel." Yeah, I agree, but maybe we don't have a great coach and that point is irrelevant because he's who we have.

 

[SirBarksalot]

Charlotte Catholic does not play in a small conference. They play in the second highest classification in NC against all public schools, and that school is huge.

But the facts about a freshman SEC QB are quite valid.

He played for Christian, not Catholic. That said, they do produce some good athletes (Steph Curry for one). Their hoops team is currently 2nd in the Sweet 16 which includes the big Charlotte Metro public schools.

ed:just saw it was you Matt. Of course you knew this.

 

[Clarence Boddicker]

Schrader is definitely Moorhead's guy, but don't forget that KT was a lot higher rated recruit than Schrader (#176 national vs. #248) national. KT has really not been given a chance to perform on the field yet in his career.

Shrader is the #14 QB (248 overall) and Thompson was the #12 QB (176 overall) in 2017. Not much difference to me in rating. Both 4 stars. Certainly not "a lot higher rated".

 

[8dog]

Im starting to think SAT score is the most valuable stat for this offense

 

[NWADawg]

Some things never change. The backup QB or the QB we just signed is going to be the savior.

I don't think he is the savior but it believe JoMo sees the future (his coaching future) in Schrader. If JoMo does believe this, if it's even close competition, the future may get the job. If I were a coach and truly believed that a player was my ticket to really establish my name I would want him involved as early as possible without having a train wreck.

If the competition isn't close and one of the current QBs is a clear leader, then they will start.

 

[shotgunDawg]

You have to forget the QB rankings. This is about ability to run a RPO offense because by god clearly that's what Joe is going to run. Trevor Lawrence was the top quarterback recruit in the country, but he would not be the best in the country at running a triple option Navy/Army/GT style offense. This is a little less extreme, but sams concept. You might counter with "well a great coach tailors his offense to his personnel." Yeah, I agree, but maybe we don't have a great coach and that point is irrelevant because he's who we have.

Great post.

We also have to consider that Schrader was rehabbing his labrum this Summer & wasn't near 100% at the showcase 7 on 7 camps. If he had been, my guess is that Schrader would've been more highly recruited than KT. The fact that they are close in the rankings when Schrader basically didn't participate on the Summer circuit should show you what people thought about Schrader before his injury

 

[paindonthurt_]

Very few true freshman in general, not just QBs, can handle the sec physically and mentally. Percentage is very low for starting true freshman.

 

[Clarence Boddicker]

You might counter with "well a great coach tailors his offense to his personnel." Yeah, I agree, but maybe we don't have a great coach and that point is irrelevant because he's who we have.

I wonder if this is a wives' tale or if it's reality. A lot of coaches only know a system. Danny G wasn't very good at tailoring the offense either. It only looked good in 2009 because we were comparing it to Croominator.

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

If KT is the guy, why were so many PLAYERS tweeting Kelly Bryant trying to get him to come to MSU?

 

[thf24]

Putting all these expectations on Shrader is too much but the flip-side is that JoMo doesn’t want to start KT. If he did he doesn’t go all-in for Kelly Bryant.

All indications are that he wouldn't promise Bryant the starting job, though. That's not all-in in my opinion and not a full-on indictment of KT.

 

[patdog]

Uh, because Bryant is a proven major conference starter with experience who's won a conference title and played in the playoffs. He would have started over Fitz if he were on our roster this year.

 

[Cap'n Geech]

If we start a true freshman at QB in the SEC, the reasonable goal will be 6 wins.

 

[tbaydog]

Schrader is definitely Moorhead's guy, but don't forget that KT was a lot higher rated recruit than Schrader (#176 national vs. #248) national. KT has really not been given a chance to perform on the field yet in his career.

Key played in Ole Miss game last year, 15 bowl extra practices, bowl game. Another fall season and extra 15 bowl practices this year. He has regressed.............

 

[Clarence Boddicker]

He would have started over Fitz if he were on our roster this year.

cough cough ******** cough

 

[Joe Schmedlap]

No true freshman QB is coming in to Starkville and leading State to a successful SEC season in 2019. Keytaon won a bowl game over a team in Louisville last year that was better than the Iowa team Fitzgerald just lost to. Key will have another spring with JoMo. Key will be the guy. I'm sure Schrader will play some as will Mayden. If KT cannot master the JoMo system this spring, well by gosh maybe JoMo should make a few changes to his system. He cannot afford to have a craptastic offense next year without losing a significant proportion of the fan base.

 

[Seinfeld]

Some point during Nick’s 59 yd/ 4 Int performance against LSU would have been one opportunity. We were constantly hearing all season that Fitz could not effectively run Joe’s RPO, and he was absolutely drowning in Baton Rouge. I’m not saying that the keys needed to be handed to KT, but Nick badly needed a lifeline that night, and Joe didn’t even go to KT then.

That told me all I needed to know, and as you said, the push for Bryant only made it clearer

 

[Clarence Boddicker]

Keytaon won a bowl game over a team in Louisville last year that was better than the Iowa team Fitzgerald just lost to.

This sentence is 100% unadulterated ********.

 

[Dawg1976]

If he wins the job straight up....I'm fine with it. Just let them battle it out. No message board poster knows what's going to happen.

 

[SirBarksalot]

So what did KT running routes in the bowl game tell you?

 

[seb304]

It told me Joe might be crazy

Some point during Nick’s 59 yd/ 4 Int performance against LSU would have been one opportunity. We were constantly hearing all season that Fitz could not effectively run Joe’s RPO, and he was absolutely drowning in Baton Rouge. I’m not saying that the keys needed to be handed to KT, but Nick badly needed a lifeline that night, and Joe didn’t even go to KT then.

That told me all I needed to know, and as you said, the push for Bryant only made it clearer

A coach should put it on a walk-on before letting that disaster continue. Was probably #1 on Joe's worst coaching decisions of the year, and he made lots of bad decisions.

 

[RiverCityDawg]

No true freshman QB is coming in to Starkville and leading State to a successful SEC season in 2019. Keytaon won a bowl game over a team in Louisville last year that was better than the Iowa team Fitzgerald just lost to. Key will have another spring with JoMo. Key will be the guy. I'm sure Schrader will play some as will Mayden. If KT cannot master the JoMo system this spring, well by gosh maybe JoMo should make a few changes to his system. He cannot afford to have a craptastic offense next year without losing a significant proportion of the fan base.

First of all UL last year was in no way better than Iowa this year. But the main point is that is completely irrelevant because we are no longer running the Mullen offense KT ran against UL. If we were, 100% of the people here would be confident that KT would be the guy.

And it doesn't matter what you think JoMo should maybe do with his offense, we saw this year he can't or won't adjust it in a way that allows us to be successful. He was hired to run HIS offense. Whether he should or can adjust is irrelevnt. For us to be successful he has to be able to run HIS deal. Just like JoMo asking Fitz to run something he couldn't do wasn't fair, asking JoMo to run something he can't do is also stupid. We risked the short term (and it didn't work) to gamble on elevates success in the long term and the only way it works is to hope we can get back to what Joe actually knows how to do.

For the record, I have concerns about starting Shrader as a true freshman too. I'm just hoping we can find another grad transfer that is a fit otherwise all our 2019 eggs are in the basket of developing QBs recruited to run a different offense.