Manny Diaz new Temple HC

[Charlie Varney]

Buy or sell that hire....

 

[KeyserSoze1999]

So Temple goes from one Mississippi State Defensive Coordinator as Head Coach to another Mississippi State Defensive Coordinator as Head Coach.

Lateral move?

So in 2-3 years will Shoop become the next Temple Head Coach?

 

[goindhoo]

Yes, after grantham

 

[SouthOfI10]

Richt gonna have Manny cruting in his backyard now

 

[Willow Grove Dawg]

Don't forget Sirmon

 

[patdog]

Buy. I think he's a good coach and will be a P5 head coach in a few years. I wouldn't mind having him back as our head coach if/when the timing is right.

 

[skydawg1]

Maybe...but would you rather play in Florida or Philly?

 

[Shamoan]

Sirmon will bounce back after a decade of bagging groceries

 

[HumpDawgy]

Manny just wanted to go back home........oh wait.

 

[was21]

It worked for Collins....stepping stone job

 

[Mafiadawg]

We never need to have a defensive HC.

 

[was21]

No ballet in Starkvegas

 

[Dawg1976]

Not me. He wouldn't be here 2 years if he had any success at all.

 

[msstate7]

Buy. I think he's a good coach and will be a P5 head coach in a few years. I wouldn't mind having him back as our head coach if/when the timing is right.

I think Collins will be the better HC.

 

[shotgunDawg]

Buy. I think he's a good coach and will be a P5 head coach in a few years. I wouldn't mind having him back as our head coach if/when the timing is right.

MSU needs an offensive head coach.

We've had like 8 DCs in 8 years and still put together a top 50 defense in most all of those years except Sirmons.

The talent pool that Mississippi and the JUCOs consistently produce is conducive to producing good defenses while producing a good offense with the local talent takes more creativity.

 

[Jeffreauxdawg]

We never need to have a defensive HC.

I can't think of a single decent example of a defensive guy winning as a head coach... Oh wait.

 

[msstate7]

I can't think of a single decent example of a defensive guy winning as a head coach... Oh wait.

We did alright with Jackie.

I think it's dumb to eliminate a coaching candidate bc of the side of the ball they coach on.

 

[ababyatemydingo]

We did alright with Jackie.

I think it's dumb to eliminate a coaching candidate bc of the side of the ball they coach on.

JoeLee'sSocks was being sarcastic. Saban is a defensive coach.

 

[Jeffreauxdawg]

We did alright with Jackie.

I think it's dumb to eliminate a coaching candidate bc of the side of the ball they coach on.

I agree. I would guess 50% of the great coaches over the next 100 years are defensive guys... I think we have way to many people that think we can only get ****** offensive coordinators. For every Sparky Woods and Woody McCorvey, there is a Kendal Briles and Kliff Kingsbury out there.

I would love nothing more than for Cohen to put Kirby Smart under the Christmas tree on a Jimbo type deal... (Sorry JoMo... No hard feelings.)

 

[maroonmania]

So Temple goes from one Mississippi State Defensive Coordinator as Head Coach to another Mississippi State Defensive Coordinator as Head Coach.

Lateral move?

So in 2-3 years will Shoop become the next Temple Head Coach?

I personally think Geoff Collins is more HC material than Manny Diaz. Doesn't mean Diaz won't do a good job its just that I think Collins has more of what you outwardly look for in a HC from a PR and personality perspective than Diaz.

 

[512taylor]

Don't forget Sirmon

I'm trying to.

 

[Clarence Boddicker]

MSU needs an offensive head coach.

We've had like 8 DCs in 8 years and still put together a top 50 defense in most all of those years except Sirmons.

The talent pool that Mississippi and the JUCOs consistently produce is conducive to producing good defenses while producing a good offense with the local talent takes more creativity.

Couldn't you do the same by just hiring a creative offensive coordinator?

I don't really disagree with you but there are lots of ways to skin a cat. One way to look at it is that we should maximize our strength, which is obviously defense, more specifically DL and LB, and then build around that, which means we need a physical, punishing attack on offense. That's one reason I liked Mullen's offense. That and it catered to the talent MS produces. Run-based spread or whatever. I guess we will see if JoMo can do the same, it's all based on QB anyway.

As long as the head coach knows this basic fact, I don't think it matters whether he's an offensive or defensive guy. Like others said, Jackie was a defensive guy but ultimately became a recruiter/special teams guy.

 

[Mafiadawg]

I can't think of a single decent example of a defensive guy winning as a head coach... Oh wait.

We are not bama nor will we ever have their type of talent. We need an innovator on offense as a HC. Luckily Cohen agrees with me. I’ve heard him say as much. With the way coordinators come and go you need stability more so on the offensive side of the ball.

 

[johnson86-1]

Couldn't you do the same by just hiring a creative offensive coordinator?

I don't really disagree with you but there are lots of ways to skin a cat. One way to look at it is that we should maximize our strength, which is obviously defense, more specifically DL and LB, and then build around that, which means we need a physical, punishing attack on offense. That's one reason I liked Mullen's offense. That and it catered to the talent MS produces. Run-based spread or whatever. I guess we will see if JoMo can do the same, it's all based on QB anyway.

As long as the head coach knows this basic fact, I don't think it matters whether he's an offensive or defensive guy. Like others said, Jackie was a defensive guy but ultimately became a recruiter/special teams guy.

The point is we are going to have turnover at the coordinator positions, and since we know we can handle transition on defense, it'd be better to have continuity on offense that comes with having an offensive minded head coach. hard to argue with that after seeing what a **** show we were on offense trying to transition to a new one.

Granted, you can have a defensive coach pick an offensive scheme and hire OC's that are familiar with that scheme, so it's not like we should never have a defensive head coach. But if we have a choice between an offensive head coach or defensive head coach, and the defensive coach doesn't look like a good bit better of a candidate, I think we should take the offensive one.

 

[Maroonthirteen]

Diaz always remind me of this Seinfeld scene.

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[Clarence Boddicker]

The point is we are going to have turnover at the coordinator positions, and since we know we can handle transition on defense, it'd be better to have continuity on offense that comes with having an offensive minded head coach. hard to argue with that after seeing what a **** show we were on offense trying to transition to a new one.

I get the point. And this offensive **** show you mention? Well that happened while working the plan you describe (offensive head coach to offensive head coach).

Not to mention that we really can't handle transition well on defense. 2009 sucked, 2010 was good, 2011 and 2012 sucked, 2013/2014/2015 was good, 2016 sucked, 2017/2018 was good. We were totally at the mercy of our coordinator.

Granted, you can have a defensive coach pick an offensive scheme and hire OC's that are familiar with that scheme, so it's not like we should never have a defensive head coach. But if we have a choice between an offensive head coach or defensive head coach, and the defensive coach doesn't look like a good bit better of a candidate, I think we should take the offensive one.

I won't disagree with this. Ultimately it comes down to the best recruiter who has the best vision for the program. That's why Cohen interviewed Venables and Pruitt too.

The real reason why I like JoMo is that he seems to be a great recruiter and can create a successful program (Fordham), NOT because he's an offensive whiz.

 

[Jeffreauxdawg]

We are not bama nor will we ever have their type of talent. We need an innovator on offense as a HC. Luckily Cohen agrees with me. I’ve heard him say as much. With the way coordinators come and go you need stability more so on the offensive side of the ball.

Fair point. But I think the best coach is the one that can identify and attract the most talent (both players and assistant coaches) And get the best out of said talent. If that happens to be a defensive guy, I don't want to rule it out.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

Collins has more of the make up of guy who will make a good HC. He does a lot of things outside of calling plays that make him a good overall coach. As far as Diaz being successful and coming back here, I wouldn't hire him back. I was surprised we hired him for his second stint. I knew the day we hired him it was only temporary. I remember someone asking him at one of those dawg tour events about it, and his answer was just political type of answer. You could tell he was lying through his teeth.