What are we willing to pay Shoop?

Aug 22, 2012
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The Rebels are on the DC hunt and are allegedly offering Alabama's LB coach about two million a year. Oklahoma is in talks with him as well supposedly offering similar money. This would be Golding's first P5 coordinator job.

Just makes me wonder what MSU is willing to pay to Shoop, who (although his Tenn tenure wasn't good) has had great seasons before. This year, working with some talented players, had the #1 defense in the country in many statistical categories. He's a proven guy who knows the MSU system, staff, and athletes.

So what is Shoop worth to Moorhead and Cohen?
 

Go Budaw

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Aug 22, 2012
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We should be willing to pay what he asks, up to and including whatever the highest paid DC in the country is currently bringing in. Paying only $2.7 million to Moorhead allows for that.
 

Lettucexxxx

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Sharks just trying to get Nakobe Dean

Everyone is trying to get Dean.

P G would be a great hire for ole miss. He’s from southern La, played at Delta State and has MANY MANY ties to the Deep South as well as Texas. I’ve known Pete since his time at DSU and he’s one of the most coveted up and comers in the Defensive ranks. I’d hate to see him in Oxford....but he has a lot of ties up there.

On a side note, not sure I’ve shared this but he was absolutely tenacious on the field. He’s about 5’10” played safety/corner....knock ur dick in the dirt. Go get em Pete!
 

615 Guy

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He took one of the most talented defensive rosters in the country and did what should be expected with a group like that. Our defense was very good but did his coaching and scheme elevate the defense so much more than any other competent coordinator could have? If he can put up the same numbers with what is returning next year then lets back up the brinks truck, until then we should not pay him "whatever he asks".
 

We Men

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I've been wanting to ask. When Mullen left, didn't his contract call for paying us some money if he left early?
 

aTotal360

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I have no problem with giving him a good bonus, but I wouldn't redo his contract till next season. We'll know exactly what kind of coach he is after next year. This year was almost like cheating.
 

Leeshouldveflanked

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I have no problem with giving him a good bonus, but I wouldn't redo his contract till next season. We'll know exactly what kind of coach he is after next year. This year was almost like cheating.
The only problem with that is that there are programs that will pay him this year.
 

thatsbaseball

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I agree. He did a great job no question but I still wonder if everyone realizes just how talented we were. That being said I still hope we keep him if there is any way possible.
 

paindonthurt_

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And he doesn’t have to be number 1 in the country next year. Keep us consistently in the top 15 in the major categories and be top 5 when the talent is there.

I agree on the bonus. Make it a fat one.

Tell him next year his contract gets renegotiated based on peformance.
 

Go Budaw

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He took one of the most talented defensive rosters in the country and did what should be expected with a group like that. Our defense was very good but did his coaching and scheme elevate the defense so much more than any other competent coordinator could have? If he can put up the same numbers with what is returning next year then lets back up the brinks truck, until then we should not pay him "whatever he asks".

A guy that was allegedly a Top 5-10 DC nationally made this exact same unit look extremely mediocre last year. 30+ given up in half our SEC games and 23 PPG overall in conference play (almost 10 ppg more than this year). This whole narrative about Shoop doing what he was supposed to do and not being anything special needs to die hard.
 
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tbaydog

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I've been wanting to ask. When Mullen left, didn't his contract call for paying us some money if he left early?

Been asking the same questions for months. Apparently we did not receive 1 dime. It has not been addressed anywhere.
 

lanceharbor7

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Yes, This all day.

He took one of the most talented defensive rosters in the country and did what should be expected with a group like that. Our defense was very good but did his coaching and scheme elevate the defense so much more than any other competent coordinator could have? If he can put up the same numbers with what is returning next year then lets back up the brinks truck, until then we should not pay him "whatever he asks".
 

Go Budaw

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Aug 22, 2012
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And they would outbid us anyway.

Why would they outbid us? If “they” wanna pay $2.5 million, then make them.

We can pay that amount and still be paying the Top 2 coaches on our staff almost $1 million LESS than we were paying Mullen and Grantham 2 years ago when we had less money in the budget. It’s silly to even suggest that we should lowball Shoop in any way imaginable. There is no reason to do that....this isn’t 1996 anymore with our athletic budget.
 
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jethreauxdawg

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There is only one solution to stop losing good coaches

Pay the man his money. Yes, these salaries may seem outrageous, but either we pay them or watch them move every December. It’s like a plant manager who bitches about broken equipment and too much down time, but scoffs at paying the going rate for good mechanics.
 

mount lefroy

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And he doesn’t have to be number 1 in the country next year. Keep us consistently in the top 15 in the major categories and be top 5 when the talent is there.

I agree on the bonus. Make it a fat one.

Tell him next year his contract gets renegotiated based on peformance.

If our defense played just well enough to allow the offense to outscore the rest of the conference and get us to Atlanta that would work.

Of course had we done that this year we’d right now be going into our 724th overtime in Tuscaloosa tied 0-0
 

patdog

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That same defense gave up 306 yards and 21 points per game last year under a respected coordinator. He came in and improved it by 40 yards and 9 points per game. That's impressive and deserves a hefty raise.
 

Go Budaw

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What did Shoop get paid this season?

He made about $1.15 million his last season at UT. I have not seen his current salary posted anywhere, but I did read some unsourced content that his buyout from UT dictated that they had to cover whatever the difference was in his new salary and that $1.15 million number each year until his old contract expires. So take that for what its worth. Either way, it can be safely assumed that we are paying considerably less out of pocket than $1.15 million. My guess would probably be $600k - $700k.
 

Joe Schmedlap

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Hmm. I guess I need to review what other SEC DC's make. I would think Shoop would be valued at more than 1.15 million per year. My WAG is something closer to 1.4, maybe even 1.5


QUOTE=Go Budaw;1566297]He made about $1.15 million his last season at UT. I have not seen his current salary posted anywhere, but I did read some unsourced content that his buyout from UT dictated that they had to cover whatever the difference was in his new salary and that $1.15 million number each year until his old contract expires. So take that for what its worth. Either way, it can be safely assumed that we are paying considerably less out of pocket than $1.15 million. My guess would probably be $600k - $700k.[/QUOTE]
 

Crazy Cotton

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I hope a lot. It seemed like we gave up almost no big plays this year, and that was the difference between a good defense last year except when we were third and Granthaming, and this years elite defense. Everybody seemed to be in the correct position almost always, save a few screens, and our backfield was an asset, not the liability we are so accustomed to seeing. For a first year coach to come in and do that, and I know there's a lot of talent there, but that was impressive.
 

was21

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Oklahoma is looking for a DC...need to go ahead and lock him in ASAP
 
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