Ranking New Hire SEC coaches

[HumpDawgy]

1. Dan Mullen 9-3 (6.1M) , UF 2017 record 4-7
2. Joe Moorhead 8-4 (2.6M) , MSU 2017 record 9-4
3. Jimbo Fisher 8-4 (7.5M) , A&M 2017 record 7-6
4. Jeremy Pruitt 5-7 (3.9M) , UT 2017 record 4-8
5. Matt Luke 5-7 (3.0M) , OM 2017 record 6-6
6. Chad Morris 2-10 (3.5M) , AR 2017 record 4-8


Looks like we made a pretty decent hire. Great value for the dollars spent.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

although Moorhead beat Fisher. I might would rank him ahead of Moorhead. They finished better in conference and had the most improvement from last season. we finished below probably where we should have been and only matching last year's record in regular season. If you are talking best value, that is the correct order.

 

[deadheaddawg]

Yeah. I wouldn't put Moorhead above Jimbo

Mullen
Jimbo
Moorhead
Pruitt
Luke
Morris

 

[AlCoDog]

They paid him 5 million more than we paid Joe. We beat them. We win.

 

[msstate7]

They paid him 5 million more than we paid Joe. We beat them. We win.

aTm has the #2 recruiting class in 2019 and a good soph qb. Their outlook is better. Does this ranking include future outlook?

 

[Hypnodawg]

Strange way to look at it. A&M hired a guy that improved their wins by 1 game. We hired a guy that lowered wins by 2 games. I think Jimbo or Mullen win 10 with this team. Is it worth 2.45 million per win.

 

[Clarence Boddicker]

Strange way to look at it. A&M hired a guy that improved their wins by 1 game. We hired a guy that lowered wins by 2 games. I think Jimbo or Mullen win 10 with this team. Is it worth 2.45 million per win.

Are you simply making up stats? Expectations are not real, you cannot judge by them.

If you want to say Jimbo improved aTm by 1 win, you have to say JoMo simply broke even. I assume you are talking about last year. But, if you are talking expectations, you won't find any reputable source that projected us to win 10 games, so you are wrong there too.

 

[Clarence Boddicker]

aTm has the #2 recruiting class in 2019 and a good soph qb. Their outlook is better. Does this ranking include future outlook?

We are recruiting above our level as well. I would say that aTm's short term outlook is probably better, because we are going to see the gaps in Mullen's recruiting in 2019 and (mainly) 2020. Long term, who really knows, because it's not like Sumlin didn't recruit well too (according to rankings).

Ultimately it'll depend on if he finds some meat to go along with all that 7 on 7 talent they have in Texas. And here I thought Texas was supposed to be a 'tough' state??

 

[AlCoDog]

What were their previous 3 years recruiting ranking versus ours? I have no idea. I’m just guessing that based on recruiting rankings, Jimbo did less with more.

 

[WutheringDawg]

Are you going on record with a prediction that we lose to Iowa, or are you intentionally misrepresented win totals to make an argument?

Edit: not misrepresenting, lying.

 

[johnson86-1]

1. Dan Mullen 9-3 (6.1M) , UF 2017 record 4-7
2. Joe Moorhead 8-4 (2.6M) , MSU 2017 record 9-4
3. Jimbo Fisher 8-4 (7.5M) , A&M 2017 record 7-6
4. Jeremy Pruitt 5-7 (3.9M) , UT 2017 record 4-8
5. Matt Luke 5-7 (3.0M) , OM 2017 record 6-6
6. Chad Morris 2-10 (3.5M) , AR 2017 record 4-8


Looks like we made a pretty decent hire. Great value for the dollars spent.

I think that's probably right, but it may be too early to tell. I think we could have had a good number of coaches come in and get us to 8-4 for roughly the same price, and probably gotten us to 9-3 depending on how much worse you think our defense is with the likely Schoop replacements.

I am encouraged by the fact that we destroyed bad defenses. Hopefully, the problem against good defenses is really just Nick's prior experience really not preparing him for this offense combined with this offense not playing to his strengths and our receivers not helping.

Hard to say because of how bad we look against good defenses, but I think our potential ceiling is higher compared to if we had gotten somebody to come in and continued running basically the same offense and just shown a slight regression on offense on our way to 9-3 or even 10-2.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

aTm has the #2 recruiting class in 2019 and a good soph qb. Their outlook is better. Does this ranking include future outlook?

Here's a team that had great recruiting class rankings for five past years:
2017 - #6
2016 - #3
2015 - #3
2014 - #4
2013 - #11

How did that team fare this year? 5-7. That team? Florida State. The coach during those great recruiting years? Jimbo Fisher.

The guy left Florida State as a dumpster fire. I know people want to talk about how he was not the problem, but if I were a betting man I would bet Jimbo Fisher leaves aTm as a dumpster fire before his ten years are up.

I think we got better value and that Joe Moorhead will end up with more wins as MSU head coach than Jimbo Fisher does at aTm head coach.

 

[Dawg1979]

Here's a team that had great recruiting class rankings for five past years:
2017 - #6
2016 - #3
2015 - #3
2014 - #4
2013 - #11

How did that team fare this year? 5-7. That team? Florida State. The coach during those great recruiting years? Jimbo Fisher.

The guy left Florida State as a dumpster fire. I know people want to talk about how he was not the problem, but if I were a betting man I would bet Jimbo Fisher leaves aTm as a dumpster fire before his ten years are up.

I think we got better value and that Joe Moorhead will end up with more wins as MSU head coach than Jimbo Fisher does at aTm head coach.

i know its what everyone says, that Jimbo left them a dumpster fire. but did he really? he left them with 4 straight years of top 6 recruiting classes. he left them with a lot, Taggert is terrible. that is the dumpster fire. he left for money and to win the SEC. a dumpster fire would have been 3 straight top 30 classes and outtie 5000, IMO

 

[Clarence Boddicker]

i know its what everyone says, that Jimbo left them a dumpster fire. but did he really? he left them with 4 straight years of top 6 recruiting classes. he left them with a lot, Taggert is terrible. that is the dumpster fire. he left for money and to win the SEC. a dumpster fire would have been 3 straight top 30 classes and outtie 5000, IMO

Jimbo went 6-6 and was hapless in 2017 too. So I guess he’s terrible

It’s either that or his recruiting was overrated, or both

 

[olblue.sixpack]

i know its what everyone says, that Jimbo left them a dumpster fire. but did he really? he left them with 4 straight years of top 6 recruiting classes. he left them with a lot, Taggert is terrible. that is the dumpster fire. he left for money and to win the SEC. a dumpster fire would have been 3 straight top 30 classes and outtie 5000, IMO

Taggart is awful. It is laughable that he has a job at a Top 10 program.

Hard to hit a moving target.

 

[Dawgtini]

Jimbo won one more game than Taggert with all that talent. Smh

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

Florida State went 7-6 last year, 6-6 in the regular season. That program was trending down and was one win short of matching their regular season total from last year. If Fisher left after an 8 or 9 win season that would be one thing, but he left with them on the brink of awfulness. They had to schedule a late season makeup game with ULM to make a bowl.

 

[patdog]

Watched the Egg Bowl with a FSU supporter. He was initially happy with the hire because a Bowling Green supporter he knows said good things about him there. But he's pretty frustrated with the questionable coaching decisions, the team making the same mistakes in November they were making in September, and the culture of the program under Taggart. He's not quite off the Taggart train completely yet, but he's close. And this was before the beatdown UF put on them. We both agreed that Jimbo deserves some of the blame too for leaving the cupboard less well stocked than FSU should ever be.

I agree with you. I was scratching my head with Oregon hired him, and especially after FSU hired him. I don't think he'll last long there.

 

[ckDOG]

When is TAMU's outlook not great?

aTm has the #2 recruiting class in 2019 and a good soph qb. Their outlook is better. Does this ranking include future outlook?

The Texas A&M sleeping giant story is a tale as old as time. They always recruit well, but their impending high performance is just as predictable as tomorrow. It's comes, but never arrives.

 

[TheStateUofMS]

Strange way to look at it. A&M hired a guy that improved their wins by 1 game. We hired a guy that lowered wins by 2 games. I think Jimbo or Mullen win 10 with this team. Is it worth 2.45 million per win.

You think Fitz would thrive in more of a pro style or something? I don't think so.

 

[TheStateUofMS]

We are recruiting above our level as well. I would say that aTm's short term outlook is probably better, because we are going to see the gaps in Mullen's recruiting in 2019 and (mainly) 2020. Long term, who really knows, because it's not like Sumlin didn't recruit well too (according to rankings).

Ultimately it'll depend on if he finds some meat to go along with all that 7 on 7 talent they have in Texas. And here I thought Texas was supposed to be a 'tough' state??

What talent gap are we going to face in 2019? I think our overall talent profile has been trending up.

 

[HumpDawgy]

aTm has the #2 recruiting class in 2019 and a good soph qb. Their outlook is better. Does this ranking include future outlook?

I don't have a crystal ball so I wasn't factoring future outlook, just ranking how they did in their first season with the team. I added their team's 2017 record to show what level team they inherited (except Luke who coached all of the 2017 team as interim). I ranked Joe over Jimbo because he beat him head to head and finished with same record. Also, Jimbo is one of the highest paid coaches, he didn't inherit a dumpster fire, and only improved his team by one win. Not great value for what A&M paid him. Again, I am only ranking first year results for the new hire coaches.

Mullen (good value, great turnaround), Moorhead (great value, good results), Jimbo (overpaid, good results), Pruitt (ok value, some improvement), Luke (ok value, diminishing results), and Morris (ave salary but awful results)

 

[Ranchdawg]

Proves A&M is spending the money

aTm has the #2 recruiting class in 2019 and a good soph qb. Their outlook is better. Does this ranking include future outlook?

To win a championship just like Alabama. Everyone knows the formula for a national championship.

 

[Clarence Boddicker]

What talent gap are we going to face in 2019? I think our overall talent profile has been trending up.

In 2016 and 2017 Danny Glover signed exactly 4 high school offensive linemen that made it to campus, after only getting 2 in 2015. JoMo tried to get a few in 2018 but still only got 2. That's 8 in 4 classes, when that number should be around 15. We are correcting it in 2019 but there is still a hole. I don't really pay much attention to the other positions as much (except QB) but I would assume he ignored other places as well, especially in 2017 when we went heavy JUCO. Offensive line is the heart of your football team, and it's concerning. Thankfully JoMo sees this and has a JUCO (hopefully more) coming in, along with about 5 high school guys.

Mullen thought he could do without OL his whole career, but there at the end he took it to a new level, near Jackie-type levels.

Overall though, I agree we are recruiting better players. I think we will be hell come 2021 and 2022 when the 2018 and 2019 classes are upperclassmen. But we've got some bumps ahead before we get there.

 

[bulldogbaja]

Mark my words: aTm will be Alabama in two years.

 

[johnson86-1]

In 2016 and 2017 Danny Glover signed exactly 4 high school offensive linemen that made it to campus, after only getting 2 in 2015. JoMo tried to get a few in 2018 but still only got 2. That's 8 in 4 classes, when that number should be around 15. We are correcting it in 2019 but there is still a hole. I don't really pay much attention to the other positions as much (except QB) but I would assume he ignored other places as well, especially in 2017 when we went heavy JUCO. Offensive line is the heart of your football team, and it's concerning. Thankfully JoMo sees this and has a JUCO (hopefully more) coming in, along with about 5 high school guys.

Mullen thought he could do without OL his whole career, but there at the end he took it to a new level, near Jackie-type levels.

Overall though, I agree we are recruiting better players. I think we will be hell come 2021 and 2022 when the 2018 and 2019 classes are upperclassmen. But we've got some bumps ahead before we get there.

We are OK on the OL, but we are extremely lucky to be ok, and still may not be able to handle an injury. What saved us was getting Eiland and Reese in one class. If they hadn't both been ready early, we'd have been screwed. Between the two of them, we have covered basically two starting OL positions for 4 years (or a little less since Eiland just filled in for Rankin as a RS Fr) with just two signees, which mitigated the ridiculous incompetence of only getting two HS OL to campus for three out of four years. That also gave us the flexibility to RS Phillips and Champion, which will help with depth next year (or maybe give us a starter if Reese moves inside).

 

[Clarence Boddicker]

We are OK on the OL, but we are extremely lucky to be ok, and still may not be able to handle an injury. What saved us was getting Eiland and Reese in one class. If they hadn't both been ready early, we'd have been screwed. Between the two of them, we have covered basically two starting OL positions for 4 years (or a little less since Eiland just filled in for Rankin as a RS Fr) with just two signees, which mitigated the ridiculous incompetence of only getting two HS OL to campus for three out of four years. That also gave us the flexibility to RS Phillips and Champion, which will help with depth next year (or maybe give us a starter if Reese moves inside).

I would say, after watching the Kentucky and Flarrda games, that perhaps they were not ready after all, esp #55, ole turnstile giving those "lookout" blocks.

Even still, we are okay NOW, but I'm looking more at 2020. And to win the SEC, we need to be much better than OK. Mullen thought his superior playcalling could get it done without an OL, lulzz.

 

[HumpDawgy]

Mark my words: aTm will be Alabama in two years.

Disagree. Bama will be Bama in two years. After Saban leaves, Bama will still be Bama, but with Dabo leading them. Georgia and Kirby will control the east. Jimbo might get the ags right below Bama, but I doubt they will ever be at that level. Same for Mullen and the Gatas. Mullen is not a big game coach, we know that.

 

[Clarence Boddicker]

Mark my words: aTm will be Alabama in two years.

Hahaha haven't we been hearing this forever? sleeping giant, etc

They are too weird to ever be a real contender. If they were ever going to do anything it would have been 2012 when they had Johnny and all that NFL talent all over the field that they didn't even realize they had (i.e. they fired their coach who assembled it). They prove that money can't buy everything.

Even if they did get lucky and line things up, they still have to count on Alabama, Auburn and LSU being down, who all have more program potential on average.

 

[bulldogbaja]

We said it a lot under the old coach. Now they have a real coach. I think that Fisher will get it done because he's not a flash in the pan... he's been considered a good coach for a long time. On top of that, A&M's money, recruiting pool and alumni base is better than Alabama's
That said, I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Clarence Boddicker]

We said it a lot under the old coach. Now they have a real coach. I think that Fisher will get it done because he's not a flash in the pan... he's been considered a good coach for a long time. On top of that, A&M's money, recruiting pool and alumni base is better than Alabama's
That said, I hope I'm wrong.

I disagree with recruiting pool, unless you want to play 7 on 7 like Ole Miss or Oklahoma.

And one other thing you are overlooking is the culture. aTm is just weird. Bottom line is, I think some people are just enamored with them and some aren't. King Jackie has been singing their praises for years but they've just never lived up to the hype.

I agree Jimbo's a good coach. How good remains to be seen. People don't give Famous Jameis the credit he deserves. I still have not figured out how he brought them back from 21-0 down against Auburn in 2013, as well as the whole 2014 season.

I mean, the guy did what he did, his record speaks for itself, but we've seen from Chizik what one player can do for you. He also benefited from playing in the ACC and the worst Flarrda Era in since the 80s. I mean he got Muschump and McElwain, and he let Muschump wax that 2012 team (that was supposedly so good) at home, I remember watching it. Then he just so happened to catch 2015 Flarrda after Will Grier got suspended. These things add up.

 

[vandaldawg]

The Texas A&M sleeping giant story is a tale as old as time. They always recruit well, but their impending high performance is just as predictable as tomorrow. It's comes, but never arrives.

Allow me to step in for the wayward Mutt with the one and only thing he and I ever agreed on: TEXAS FOOTBALL IS SOFT.

 

[QuadrupleOption]

Mark my words: aTm will be Alabama in two years.

No, they won't be. Recruiting Texas talent won't get you SEC championships because they are soft as baby poop. I've been hearing the TAMU hype for too long now with mediocre results to give a rip about how great they are supposed to be every year. The last coach who had them above mediocre was R.C. Slocum and that was 20 years ago.

 

[olblue.sixpack]

Watched the Egg Bowl with a FSU supporter. He was initially happy with the hire because a Bowling Green supporter he knows said good things about him there. But he's pretty frustrated with the questionable coaching decisions, the team making the same mistakes in November they were making in September, and the culture of the program under Taggart. He's not quite off the Taggart train completely yet, but he's close. And this was before the beatdown UF put on them. We both agreed that Jimbo deserves some of the blame too for leaving the cupboard less well stocked than FSU should ever be.

I agree with you. I was scratching my head with Oregon hired him, and especially after FSU hired him. I don't think he'll last long there.

As bad as Western was before he got there, it wasn't hard to make improvements. But he did not impress me there. Now that the spot light is finally brighter, its there for everyone to see.

 

[Ranchdawg]

Jimbo only recruits Texas?

Allow me to step in for the wayward Mutt with the one and only thing he and I ever agreed on: TEXAS FOOTBALL IS SOFT.

Wow, he is a dumbass.

 

[vandaldawg]

Wow, he is a dumbass.

He will primarily, yeah.

 

[Clarence Boddicker]

As bad as Western was before he got there, it wasn't hard to make improvements. But he did not impress me there. Now that the spot light is finally brighter, its there for everyone to see.

So weird, Taggart improved WKU, and they stayed that way for a good while. Weird, he takes USF from 2-10 to 10-2 in 4 seasons, and wow weird again, they stayed that way. Then, he takes a 4-8 Oregon squad and goes 7-5. So weird, I tell ya.

At some point maybe you nimrods will give him a little credit. I swear, all you people who think you know stuff or are modern or whatever, you don't understand a recruiter type coach, which is what Taggart is. He's similar to Dabo. Hell, SABAN is kind of this type of guy. The results take time, especially when your squad is devoid of talent, thanks Jimbo. Coaching decisions ALWAYS look bad when talent is terrible. Taggart is certainly not the greatest X/O coach, but you don't have to be, especially at a power program. It's been proven over and over and over.

Watch the jump Taggart makes next year. And watch what he does on NSD.

You'll really need that hot tub then, blue.

 

[Clarence Boddicker]

Wow, he is a dumbass.

https://247sports.com/college/texas-am/Season/2019-Football/Commits/

75% Texas, and that's in his first year. Guarantee those 6 out-of-state guys were prior relationships from FSU. Over time, I suspect you'll see over 85% Texas. It already went up from about 65% instate last year.

A little research (and common sense) will keep you from looking like a total idiot.

 

[MedDawg]

The Texas A&M sleeping giant story is a tale as old as time. They always recruit well, but their impending high performance is just as predictable as tomorrow. It's comes, but never arrives.

Texas improving is going to hurt A&M. A&M might have missed their window to shine when Texas was down.

 

[TheStateUofMS]

In 2016 and 2017 Danny Glover signed exactly 4 high school offensive linemen that made it to campus, after only getting 2 in 2015. JoMo tried to get a few in 2018 but still only got 2. That's 8 in 4 classes, when that number should be around 15. We are correcting it in 2019 but there is still a hole. I don't really pay much attention to the other positions as much (except QB) but I would assume he ignored other places as well, especially in 2017 when we went heavy JUCO. Offensive line is the heart of your football team, and it's concerning. Thankfully JoMo sees this and has a JUCO (hopefully more) coming in, along with about 5 high school guys.

Mullen thought he could do without OL his whole career, but there at the end he took it to a new level, near Jackie-type levels.

Overall though, I agree we are recruiting better players. I think we will be hell come 2021 and 2022 when the 2018 and 2019 classes are upperclassmen. But we've got some bumps ahead before we get there.

Yeah I disagree. We are light on numbers by 2 or 3, so barring any significant injuries we'll be fine. If we do get the injury bug, it could be shaky, but like you mentioned the quality of athlete at OL we've recruited this year and the previous two classes are much better than 5 years ago.

I think we'll be fine. We're bringing in some really good ones this year and about 7 guys as well.