Tough question (I think?) for some weekend thinking

[WutheringDawg]

Would you trade Dak Prescott and Nick Fitzgerald's career for a national championship?

Premise - We roll back the clock and things play out differently. We successfully recruit Cam to Mississippi State and win the national championship in 2010. But the downstream effect is that we miss out on Dak and Fitzgerald. We end up with mediocre but forgettable replacements instead.

This may be an easy question, but I'm not sure - I'm almost certain I would make the trade but it would be tough to not have Dak associated with the team.


Edit: damn I 17ed that title up upon reread. Double edit: question originally asked by cubswillwinitoneday in another thread.

 

[klong-dog]

I don't have to worry with it, so I can't really say one way or another. Sorry for the lame answer.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

Would you trade Dak Prescott and Nick Fitzgerald's career for a national championship?

Premise - We roll back the clock and things play out differently. We successfully recruit Cam to Mississippi State and win the national championship in 2010. But the downstream effect is that we miss out on Dak and Fitzgerald. We end up with mediocre but forgettable replacements instead.

This may be an easy question, but I'm not sure - I'm almost certain I would make the trade but it would be tough to not have Dak associated with the team.


Edit: damn I 17ed that title up upon reread.

So, basically if I could switch football programs with Auburn since 2010 woud I? No.

 

[CoastDawg18]

I would take Cam and a NC (assuming no sanctions related to Cam). A NC in football is far more elusive than finding good QB’s to develop.

 

[patdog]

I would too. Also, we probably would have signed Dak anyway and Fitzgerald anyway. Not to mention, we probably would have signed better signing classes in general. A national title on the resume tends to help out on that a pretty good bit.

 

[wsjmsu75]

I would take Cam and a NC (assuming no sanctions related to Cam). A NC in football is far more elusive than finding good QB’s to develop.

I say screw that, if it had meant that we had to make the same deal with Rev. Cecil that Auburn did. The NCAA/SEC would not have supported us the way they did Auburn when the facts came out about what happened in that deal. We would have been crucified for it, by them and by the local and national media. And we would not have won a NC, because they would have declared him ineligible.

 

[Clarence Boddicker]

HELL TO THE YES.

However, what would have really happened, was Mullen would have went 10-2 with Cam, and would have jumped jobs after 2010.

 

[maroonmania]

Not a tough question for me although an odd one. I would certainly trade ANY individual player's career for MSU to win a NC in football but you have the players you have. So, MSU either wins a NC with the careers of the MSU players we end up with or you don't which to date we have not (except for 1941**).

 

[TheStateUofMS]

I would trade. Love Dak and Fitz, but no one player, coach or administrator should ever be above the University.

 

[johnson86-1]

Would you trade Dak Prescott and Nick Fitzgerald's career for a national championship?

Premise - We roll back the clock and things play out differently. We successfully recruit Cam to Mississippi State and win the national championship in 2010. But the downstream effect is that we miss out on Dak and Fitzgerald. We end up with mediocre but forgettable replacements instead.

This may be an easy question, but I'm not sure - I'm almost certain I would make the trade but it would be tough to not have Dak associated with the team.


Edit: damn I 17ed that title up upon reread. Double edit: question originally asked by cubswillwinitoneday in another thread.

Yea, that's not a tough question at all.

A tougher question might be, if you could change history and get cam, but don't get to know the results would you? My assumption is that if we had taken Cam, we still probably wouldn't have won the championship, we would have gone on probation, and (as someone mentioned) Mullen would have jumped ship. To me, that answer still seems easy, as I think it's very likely we would have gotten probation but no championship, but I can get different people feeling differently.

Another tough question would be, if you could change history, would you want us to get Cam if you knew it meant we would win a national championship that is later vacated when we get hit with pretty serious sanctions. ON the one hand, I think nobody can take away a championship (pretty sure USCw isn't hurt at all by vacating their championship with Reggie Bush). But I'm not sure how we'd recover from serious sanctions, and with it being our only championship, maybe having it vacated impacts perception of us more than a USC. I think I'd take it for the national championship, even if it ends up vacated, but we've had a lot of enjoyable football since then so maybe that's a bad decision.

 

[Willow Grove Dawg]

Short Answer - HELL YES I take that trade. More complicated answer is the (1) We would have ended up with major NCAA sanctions if we had signed Cam Newton because the NCAA blows, (2) signing Cam Newton would never have impacted whether or not we signed Dak or Nick, & finally (3) Mullen would have been GONE after 2010 National Championship!

 

[missouridawg]

So, basically if I could switch football programs with Auburn since 2010 woud I? No.

3 west titles. 1 natty. 1 runner up.

And you wouldn’t trade? I’m not asking you to trade the stink of being an Auburn fan. Just the results.

 

[Seinfeld]

If we're talking about a no questions asked NC trophy, I'd trade for it in a heartbeat. All the booster money in the world can't amount to the long lasting program positives that come with a national title

That said, if any part of this involves Cam coming to State, let's not pretend for a second that things would have played out the same way for us as they did for Auburn. We lost Will Redmond for 18 months due to accepting a $2600 used car discount, and we lost Renardo Sidney for roughly the same time period due to $11K in benefits that didn't even have anything to do with MSU.

Meanwhile, Father Newton's church gets major upgrades, Cam is caught on audio saying that the "money was too much", and there's glaring evidence that Cam was a pay for play deal, yet Auburn's self imposed suspension of Newton was overturned by the NCAA within 24 hours so that he could be immediately available for the remainder of the year.

The whole thing is a crock

 

[horshack.sixpack]

3 west titles. 1 natty. 1 runner up.

And you wouldn’t trade? I’m not asking you to trade the stink of being an Auburn fan. Just the results.

Probably just too maroon, but I like who we are. Cam didn't translate into them getting better QBs and just turning the corner on consistency and I don't want to be like them.

 

[patdog]

3 West title, 1 national title & 1 runner up. Only 1 losing season, and 1 other at 7-6, the rest were 8-5 or better. I'd take that all day long.

 

[rem101]

See ya Dak and Fitz. Give me the rings.

 

[wsjmsu75]

If we're talking about a no questions asked NC trophy, I'd trade for it in a heartbeat. All the booster money in the world can't amount to the long lasting program positives that come with a national title

That said, if any part of this involves Cam coming to State, let's not pretend for a second that things would have played out the same way for us as they did for Auburn. We lost Will Redmond for 18 months due to accepting a $2600 used car discount, and we lost Renardo Sidney for roughly the same time period due to $11K in benefits that didn't even have anything to do with MSU.

Meanwhile, Father Newton's church gets major upgrades, Cam is caught on audio saying that the "money was too much", and there's glaring evidence that Cam was a pay for play deal, yet Auburn's self imposed suspension of Newton was overturned by the NCAA within 24 hours so that he could be immediately available for the remainder of the year.

The whole thing is a crock

Exactly the same point I was making in my post above this one. Glad I am not the only one seeing it that way.

 

[Clarence Boddicker]

The whole Scam situation does not exist if he comes to MSU, that's the difference. It was OUR boosters who talked to begin with. Who prompted them to talk? Well nobody knows but them I guess but I tend to believe it originated from the Alabama camp, who were concerned that Auburn was about to follow up their 2009 title with one of their own.

Same people who went after Johnny Football, because he was a threat to Alabama.

Same people who went after Hugh Freeze, because he was a threat to Alabama.

I'm seeing a theme.

Meanwhile they have us and Auburn fighting among each other over Cam, and us and Ole Miss fighting over their probation. We are their useful idiots while they sit on their high horse and continue to dominate.

SEC offices really really REALLY need to be moved to Atlanta.

If anyone isn't convinced that they are pulling all these strings by now, how can they watch the officiating and think anything different?

 

[msudawg12]

I love thise guys but we have 0 ships across all sports....