Dannis Jackson

[Felonious Junk]

Is he really going to follow through with his verbal commitment to OM? Seems like a poor choice at this point.

 

[ababyatemydingo]

Twitted Thursday night that he was still all Red/Blue

 

[Clarence Boddicker]

Mingo too. It's unbelievable.

 

[CrookedLetta4Eva]

He’s not coming to State. Move on like the coaches have

 

[AlSwearengen]

Who is the olemiss network member in Sumrall? Do they own a business in the construction field?

 

[Wizard.sixpack]

please tell me why it is unbelievable that a WR would want to go to OM?

 

[coach66]

How could he and Mingo turn their backs on a guy like Corrall, come on man!

He's got their back**

 

[PineGroveBully]

Most of their NFL players S-U-C-K!

 

[Clarence Boddicker]

please tell me why it is unbelievable that a WR would want to go to OM?

NFL has proven they'll find you if you're talented. The fact that they can continue to get them up there baffles me. It's a position of severe need for us. Not to mention Ole Miss is not preparing them at all. They just sign the talent and the NFL drafts the talent.

 

[RightOfCenter]

That OL for the foreseeable future he is going to suck.

 

[patdog]

It’s not unbelievable. The NCAA just gave them a wrist slap. Why would they stop what they’d been doing?

 

[Clarence Boddicker]

It’s not unbelievable. The NCAA just gave them a wrist slap. Why would they stop what they’d been doing?

They didn't get a wrist slap. They got slightly less than SMU got during Round 1, which, just like SMU, took their program from contender to pretender in the course of 2 years. Not to mention, if they continue to do what they did, they will be repeat offenders and may very well be in the running to get what SMU got (probably not death penalty, but whatever the modern day equivalent is).

I don't understand how you can't see that. Did Ole Miss have formal contracts with players? Of course not, no one is that dumb, so they won't be punished as bad as SMU. But they got close, and if they get busted repeat offending, doomsday will come.

 

[Wizard.sixpack]

Well by the same token why are we getting RB's? We have had some stud RB's over the years but how have they fared in the NFL?

 

[Clarence Boddicker]

Well by the same token why are we getting RB's? We have had some stud RB's over the years but how have they fared in the NFL?

I agree, it works across the board. Which is why I don't understand why you wouldn't want to come play for a winner, that's not on probation, with a new innovative offense, ESPECIALLY at a position of need. We also have a 4 star QB committed that you'll likely play with for 4-5 years.

It makes no sense to go play for a broken program unless it's simply about the booster money, which you can get anywhere, the difference of which is negligible when you consider the benefits of coming to MSU right now, over Ole Miss.

I'm strictly talking 2019 here. Present day. There have been times in the past to go to Ole Miss, or any school, over MSU.

 

[Wizard.sixpack]

...simply about the booster money

This is an important statement.

 

[patdog]

Keep waiting on that death penalty. More than half the damage they’re feeling now is self inflicted, not the result of the sanctions.

 

[Clarence Boddicker]

Keep waiting on that death penalty. More than half the damage they’re feeling now is self inflicted, not the result of the sanctions.

No one's waiting. That's up to them, if they want to keep cheating, or get busted with some cheating they did after the original 2 LOIs, which is possible.

They sacrificed nearly 2 whole recruiting classes, and were decimated by transfers, due to the bowl bans. Recruiting is the lifeblood of your program. They were hurt badly.

All damage is self-inflicted, Captain Obvious. If they hadn't cheated, the NCAA would not have levied penalties to begin with. Tom Mars and all that were a part of the process.

I've seen some pretty big separation in MSU's and Ole Miss' programs in the past, namely 2003, 2008 and 2011, but none as big as 2018. In 2008 and 2011, the losing program had been recruiting fairly well, and fired their head coach and hired a hungry replacement, who got them back on the right track. The most similar comparison is 2003, but for whatever reason, Ole Miss got rid of their successful coach and joined us in the wilderness for the next 3 years. I'll never understand how they squandered that opportunity to really move ahead of us.

I hope we don't do it now.

 

[QuadrupleOption]

Is he really going to follow through with his verbal commitment to OM? Seems like a poor choice at this point.

Maybe he just likes Ole Miss? I'd love to have him but if he's an in-state guy he may have grown up as a fan. It happens.

 

[Cooterpoot]

He's not likely to qualify.

 

[patdog]

The transfers had nothing to do with the sanctions. That was because they lied to recruits. And the major downgrade at head coach had nothing to do with the sanctions either. Freeze would have been back on their sideline in mid September. They’re going to keep tecruiting the way they know works. And they’re not going to get a death penalty for it.

 

[johnson86-1]

Well by the same token why are we getting RB's? We have had some stud RB's over the years but how have they fared in the NFL?

Well, none of our RBs have failed in the NFL because they learned nothing in college. I think the only big time RBs we've gotten that have flopped were Donta and Nick Turner, both of whom had off the field issues that brought them down. Norwood, Boobie, Ballard, and Robinson all performed in the NFL about like they would have been projected to perform or better. Griffith I think had a longer NFL career than anybody expected. That's already probably further back than any recruit is worried about. Is there another back we got that should have been in the NFL but wasn't? Or that got to the NFL and flopped?

 

[maroonmania]

I agree, it works across the board. Which is why I don't understand why you wouldn't want to come play for a winner, that's not on probation, with a new innovative offense, ESPECIALLY at a position of need. We also have a 4 star QB committed that you'll likely play with for 4-5 years.

It makes no sense to go play for a broken program unless it's simply about the booster money, which you can get anywhere, the difference of which is negligible when you consider the benefits of coming to MSU right now, over Ole Miss.

I'm strictly talking 2019 here. Present day. There have been times in the past to go to Ole Miss, or any school, over MSU.

AJ Brown is an example of the obvious. Most WRs are only interested in how many targets they are getting and their own personal stats. Most have very little concern about the quality of the team they play on. Brown could have transferred this year without sitting out and played for a team that actually had something to play for but chose to stay at OM because he knew they would throw him the ball umpteen times a game. That attitude seems to routinely go with that position.

 

[Drebin]

Ole Miss will get him in. You can bet on that.

 

[Clarence Boddicker]

The transfers had nothing to do with the sanctions. That was because they lied to recruits. And the major downgrade at head coach had nothing to do with the sanctions either. Freeze would have been back on their sideline in mid September. They’re going to keep tecruiting the way they know works. And they’re not going to get a death penalty for it.

None of it would have happened without the LOI/NCAA process. Give it up.

 

[IPMdawg]

I’ve come to the conclusion that we recruit WRs so poorly because it is a diva position. All highly talented WRs have big personalities. They want the fame and the red carpet rolled out. Like it or not, Ole Miss and Oxford does that each and every weekend. We attract more low key guys. You can’t find any high profile WRs who are modest and fit in around Starkville.

 

[TNT.sixpack]

This is going to make some folks mad, but it is what it is. I'm just sharing what I've been told. I'm a lifelong MSU fan. My kids all attended MSU. Having said that, I've got family who attended both MSU and Ole Miss (as athletes). I have a son who talked to both MSU and Ole Miss as an athlete (didn't play for either however). Here's what they've all told me....if a kid isn't raised a tried-and-true fan of either school, "most" young men will give Ole Miss equal consideration over MSU regardless of which school is competitive at any given point. Why? When they visited, they simply had the better party at Ole Miss. And as hard as it is for us to accept, many of these young men will unfortunately make a decision based on immaturity....party atmosphere, women, etc.... They all said that Ole Miss treated them like rock stars and that goes a long way with these kids. If a kid is a really good athlete, as some have said on this board, the NFL will find them. Many of the more talented kids believe that as well so they're looking for the better party whenever they're not on the field competing. Often they think that's at Ole Miss. My son (who's a diehard MSU fan) said it best......he said MSU was like 13th grade and he loved his time there. However when he transferred to Ole Miss to finish his pre-requisites, he said Ole Miss was on a whole other level when it came to a good time. Good or bad, an athlete who has no allegiance to either school growing up, will unfortunately place a lot of consideration on that one facet of college life. They're being recruited as 18 year old kids. They don't all think with the same level of discernment that we do.

 

[Drebin]

This is going to make some folks mad, but it is what it is. I'm just sharing what I've been told. I'm a lifelong MSU fan. My kids all attended MSU. Having said that, I've got family who attended both MSU and Ole Miss (as athletes). I have a son who talked to both MSU and Ole Miss as an athlete (didn't play for either however). Here's what they've all told me....if a kid isn't raised a tried-and-true fan of either school, "most" young men will give Ole Miss equal consideration over MSU regardless of which school is competitive at any given point. Why? When they visited, they simply had the better party at Ole Miss. And as hard as it is for us to accept, many of these young men will unfortunately make a decision based on immaturity....party atmosphere, women, etc.... They all said that Ole Miss treated them like rock stars and that goes a long way with these kids. If a kid is a really good athlete, as some have said on this board, the NFL will find them. Many of the more talented kids believe that as well so they're looking for the better party whenever they're not on the field competing. Often they think that's at Ole Miss. My son (who's a diehard MSU fan) said it best......he said MSU was like 13th grade and he loved his time there. However when he transferred to Ole Miss to finish his pre-requisites, he said Ole Miss was on a whole other level when it came to a good time. Good or bad, an athlete who has no allegiance to either school growing up, will unfortunately place a lot of consideration on that one facet of college life. They're being recruited as 18 year old kids. They don't all think with the same level of discernment that we do.

You let your kid transfer from State to Ole Miss? I think we need to have a talk.

 

[Clarence Boddicker]

I’ve come to the conclusion that we recruit WRs so poorly because it is a diva position. All highly talented WRs have big personalities. They want the fame and the red carpet rolled out. Like it or not, Ole Miss and Oxford does that each and every weekend. We attract more low key guys. You can’t find any high profile WRs who are modest and fit in around Starkville.

Makes sense. I've always been an advocate of finding the high school quarterbacks who are the best athletes on their team, and turning them into wide receivers on the college level. A lot of that type in MS.

 

[Clarence Boddicker]

This is going to make some folks mad, but it is what it is. I'm just sharing what I've been told. I'm a lifelong MSU fan. My kids all attended MSU. Having said that, I've got family who attended both MSU and Ole Miss (as athletes). I have a son who talked to both MSU and Ole Miss as an athlete (didn't play for either however). Here's what they've all told me....if a kid isn't raised a tried-and-true fan of either school, "most" young men will give Ole Miss equal consideration over MSU regardless of which school is competitive at any given point. Why? When they visited, they simply had the better party at Ole Miss. And as hard as it is for us to accept, many of these young men will unfortunately make a decision based on immaturity....party atmosphere, women, etc.... They all said that Ole Miss treated them like rock stars and that goes a long way with these kids. If a kid is a really good athlete, as some have said on this board, the NFL will find them. Many of the more talented kids believe that as well so they're looking for the better party whenever they're not on the field competing. Often they think that's at Ole Miss. My son (who's a diehard MSU fan) said it best......he said MSU was like 13th grade and he loved his time there. However when he transferred to Ole Miss to finish his pre-requisites, he said Ole Miss was on a whole other level when it came to a good time. Good or bad, an athlete who has no allegiance to either school growing up, will unfortunately place a lot of consideration on that one facet of college life. They're being recruited as 18 year old kids. They don't all think with the same level of discernment that we do.

I can buy some of this for sure. When I was a student, there was an AWFUL lot of kids at MSU who would simply go home every weekend. That didn't seem AS true in Oxford, from the friends I knew there. The thing is though, I don't see the big difference between there and Oxford or Tuscaloosa or Auburn or College Station or even Athens. I mean I can understand Nashville since it's a major city. Now, don't throw out the "Athens is the greatest town evaahhh!!!11".....I get it, it's a great college town, but it's still just college age kids partying in a relatively small town. Isn't Starkville the same thing? So in that vein, why isn't it more of a destination?

 

[maroonmania]

Well, none of our RBs have failed in the NFL because they learned nothing in college. I think the only big time RBs we've gotten that have flopped were Donta and Nick Turner, both of whom had off the field issues that brought them down. Norwood, Boobie, Ballard, and Robinson all performed in the NFL about like they would have been projected to perform or better. Griffith I think had a longer NFL career than anybody expected. That's already probably further back than any recruit is worried about. Is there another back we got that should have been in the NFL but wasn't? Or that got to the NFL and flopped?

RBs are a commodity in the NFL for most teams. Norwood and Ballard were both starters before injuries knocked them out and Boobie has had a pretty long career as a backup. Outside of Elliott I probably couldn't name more than two or three of the starting RBs in the NFL at the moment. Its become a plug and play position and is why the draft stock on RBs has plummeted.

 

[thf24]

I’ve come to the conclusion that we recruit WRs so poorly because it is a diva position. All highly talented WRs have big personalities. They want the fame and the red carpet rolled out. Like it or not, Ole Miss and Oxford does that each and every weekend. We attract more low key guys. You can’t find any high profile WRs who are modest and fit in around Starkville.

Probably has a little to do with it. I wouldn't be surprised if the trouble under Mullen was due to part of his inflexible recruiting pitch being that WR's on his teams must be blockers first and receivers second.

 

[croomin]

I would believe this if it were written 15 years ago. You obviously haven’t seen the good times happenin in StarkVegas these days.

 

[coach66]

I would agree and attendance trends back

you up.

 

[TNT.sixpack]

You let your kid transfer from State to Ole Miss? I think we need to have a talk.

That was actually a funny story. I walked in from work one day and my son was sitting with my wife on the sofa. Dead quiet. I thought someone had died. My wife says "he has something he needs to share with you....." and she just stared at him with her arms crossed. She acted like she was scared I was going to fly off the handle. When he told me his plans, I kinda got pissed initially but then he explained to me that he was changing majors and he felt like finishing his pre-reqs for his last year at UM would help him get into the school he wanted to get into (UT-Memphis Health Science....if you establish residence for one year within 90 miles of the school, out of state tuition is discounted). When he finally told me, however I have to admit I was relieved because I honestly had no idea what he was about to drop on me based on how my wife was behaving. I was thinking he was about to tell me I was going to be a grandfather. Admittedly I'd rather he go to Ole Miss than be a grandfather at that moment.

 

[patdog]

Of course none of it happens without the investigation/sanctions. But that doesn’t mean the transfers & having to fire their coach had to happen. Those were just stupidity & are hurting them at least as bad as the sanctions are.

 

[TNT.sixpack]

This............ big personalities sometimes need big attention. They do it well in Oxford. Don't get me wrong....I'm not saying I want those personalities on my team. Just saying it's why they get some of the recruits they get.

 

[Dawgology]

It has a lot to do with community support

I can buy some of this for sure. When I was a student, there was an AWFUL lot of kids at MSU who would simply go home every weekend. That didn't seem AS true in Oxford, from the friends I knew there. The thing is though, I don't see the big difference between there and Oxford or Tuscaloosa or Auburn or College Station or even Athens. I mean I can understand Nashville since it's a major city. Now, don't throw out the "Athens is the greatest town evaahhh!!!11".....I get it, it's a great college town, but it's still just college age kids partying in a relatively small town. Isn't Starkville the same thing? So in that vein, why isn't it more of a destination?

In Oxford, the community supports the party atmosphere...even encourages it...right down to the local law enforcement. No such luck in Starkville. They will take your *** downtown for looking at them wrong. Can't be having none them crazy shenanigans in StarkVegas!

 

[TNT.sixpack]

I can buy some of this for sure. When I was a student, there was an AWFUL lot of kids at MSU who would simply go home every weekend. That didn't seem AS true in Oxford, from the friends I knew there. The thing is though, I don't see the big difference between there and Oxford or Tuscaloosa or Auburn or College Station or even Athens. I mean I can understand Nashville since it's a major city. Now, don't throw out the "Athens is the greatest town evaahhh!!!11".....I get it, it's a great college town, but it's still just college age kids partying in a relatively small town. Isn't Starkville the same thing? So in that vein, why isn't it more of a destination?

It's still like that. UM has soooo many out of state kids attending. I know my eldest son dated 3-4 diff girls at UM...from Chicago, Connecticut, Califronia and Texas. Most of those kids never go home on weekends and many stay during the summer. Two of the girls my son dated actually traveled all over the world during their summers and then returned to Oxford each fall. I'm telling you, it creates a different dynamic. And it makes for a way different party atmosphere on weekends.

 

[dannyripms]

Vic Ballard was really the only RB to have success albeit the injuries kept him from being great. AD had some success too. I think Aeris can play in NFL and obviously Kylin, Kylin needs to work on some things first.

 

[IPMdawg]

I just finished an 11 year stint at State. (Undergrad, Master’s, PhD). I have witnessed the massive changes in our nightlife scene. But unfortunately, it is still underwhelming compared to other SEC towns, and we still have too many students who’d rather sit around a fire pit in the Highlands than go out to the bars. The good news is that we have not plateaued. Each and every year gets better and new places are opening and thriving. The next thing I would like to see is a bar with non-country music open near the District that was 18+. That’s the missing piece to get younger people in the habit of going out and creating a bar scene. The old, stick
-in-the-mud aldermen are dying off and things are changing. We’ll get there one day.