I'm not impressed with Bama
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It's not that difficult yet Bama is the only program in history to successfully be able to do it. Other than that it's not that difficult.
Its exceedingly difficult. That's why no other coach has ever been able to do it like Saban has.
Yep, its an optical illusion.
https://www.sbnation.com/college-fo...s-missed-calls-national-championship-facemask
And of course that doesn't even count the call in Starkville where Ridley runs 2 yards out of bounds on his own and comes back in to catch a 77 yard pass to the 1. Ref throws his hat down which indicates he saw it and then chose to ignore it after he sees the result of the play. I don't believe in conspiracies but I absolutely believe there is bias. I welcome anyone to provide concrete examples of Bama getting bad calls. I would love to see some.
I tried to read the posts for this thread, but all I could think is that how could you not be impressed with Bama.
I guess they could beat people 100 to 0 instead of 50 to 0.
This post if dumb, if you are not impressed with Bama then nothing, football wise, will ever impress you. I hate that they are, but they are the most dominant college football program in history at this point. Yeah they had a few down years in 1990s and along the way, but right now they are something different.
I was talking to a friend that was trying to offer me club level seats for the Bama game, and I declined telling him that I most likely will not even watch on tv. What is the point? I know support your team and all that rah rah ********. Seriously though what is the point? I can watch the football wrap up that night and learn that we got beat by 30 to 50. I also can enjoy my Saturday not having to worry about this abortion of a game.
I guess they could beat people 100 to 0 instead of 50 to 0.
This post if dumb, if you are not impressed with Bama then nothing, football wise, will ever impress you. I hate that they are, but they are the most dominant college football program in history at this point. Yeah they had a few down years in 1990s and along the way, but right now they are something different.
I was talking to a friend that was trying to offer me club level seats for the Bama game, and I declined telling him that I most likely will not even watch on tv. What is the point? I know support your team and all that rah rah ********. Seriously though what is the point? I can watch the football wrap up that night and learn that we got beat by 30 to 50. I also can enjoy my Saturday not having to worry about this abortion of a game.
But LSU has definitely lost a beat. It will be the same at Bama. They will continue to compete for national championships as long as they don't make a terrible hire. But after a few years, they'll come down to whatever level the new coach would have htem at without Saban. Maybe they get another really good coach that will keep in them in the playoff discussion basically every year indefinitely. Maybe they hire the next Les Miles who starts feeling the hot seat in year 4 or 5 when it's clear he's not going to be able to win a championship every three or four years, much less every other year.
OMG! You found some photo evidence of Bama getting lucky with a call!
It happens to everyone.
Facts kill emotions. Thanks for the body slam patdog!
If you want to stump a Saban fan ask them how Freeze beat them two years in a row with inferior talent. They freeze up. Saban is the reason Freeze is no longer coaching in the SEC. He took too many of Saban's players and the same will happen to any other program that steals HIS TALENT.
If you want to stump a Saban fan ask them how Freeze beat them two years in a row with inferior talent. They freeze up. Saban is the reason Freeze is no longer coaching in the SEC. He took too many of Saban's players and the same will happen to any other program that steals HIS TALENT.
I meant it's not that difficult to understand how he is doing it, not the actual execution of building a program like that.
Freeze did not have inferior talent. You say as much in your last sentence.
We should still be counting our lucky stars that Freeze didn't win the SEC in 2015. That team had serious talent. But just like any other johnny-come-lately, they simply weren't prepared as a program to win big. It came too quickly and they couldn't handle it. It takes a while to build a consistent winner.
Well no wonder they are dominating. They had 16 more 5* / 4* guys than the NCAA even allows on the roster!!!
Freeze did have inferior talent! Go do the star counts and you'll find that Saban has/had a stacked deck. He took only about 3 or 4 of Saban's prize athletes and that is what I meant by too many. Freeze had nowhere near the talent either year but his game planning overwhelmed a mediocre coach with superior talent. Alabama is a perennial #1 recruiting school since Saban has been there. He did the same at LSU. After he left LSU they continued to get great talent because of his recruiting system. Money talks (unless you are Ole Miss and beat Bummer).
I count 84 here: https://247sports.com/college/alabama/Season/2019-Football/ScholarshipDistribution/
Of course that is for this current year, but still. Point is still the same.
I’m not sure how accurate that list is. For example, it.still lists Lashley, Ruggs, D. Smith, and Jeudy as Freshmen. I think you are also counting some recruits not yet on campus in your number, and that list is the projected 2019 roster, not the current roster. I find it pretty hard to believe there is only one scholarship player at Bama that is less than a 4*, which would have to be the case if the 84 number is correct. They still sign a few 3* guys every year.
Anyway, I’m not disputing the fact that they are the most talented team, but the gap isn’t nearly as big as it was illustrated to be in patdog’s post. Especially when compared to teams like Ohio State, who didn’t make the playoff but have been right up there with Bama in the recruiting rankings over the years.
It’s not just that he is a tireless recruiter though. He also is the best there ever was at managing the egos of those recruiting classes, and getting those 4* / 5* guys to work like they are 2* and 3* nobodies who could lose their spot at any time. That is the real secret to his success. He’s passed the Bear despite not having nearly the same advantages Bryant had, where he could offer 85 scholarships every year and play the also-ran programs at home or neutral site every year.
Saban is the straw that stirs the drink. There is no “recruiting machine” that will be in place forevermore and keep Bama on top until the end of time. Saban is the machine. When he leaves, Bama will still be a Top 5 - Top 10 program, but nothing like what they are now. They’ll just be another OSU, Florida, FSU, Oklahoma type program that is up most years, but not unstoppable.
Dumb. Damn dumb.
I wonder if this clown has realized that recruiting is 80% of the game of college football.
Well since Pat had no link and pulled that stat out of his *** I'm gonna at least provide some evidence. First of all, how the hell does Bama have 101 four/five star prospects when they only have 85 guys on scholarship?
Pat's stat also only included 3 teams and leaves out Ohio St, USC, Texas, FSU, Michigan, etc... But instead of looking at meaningless recruiting rankings done by people like Yancy that have obvious "Bama bumps," lets look at the draft and NFL rosters.
This article says LSU is tied w/ Bama with the most players picked the last 10 years.
http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...e-programs-most-nfl-draft-picks-last-10-years
Last year LSU had the most guys on NFL rosters and Bama was 4th:
https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/...most-represented-2017-nfl-opening-day-rosters
In 2016 Bama was again 4th behind schools like LSU, Miami, FSU, and right there close with UF, USC, Ohio St, & UGA.
https://www.usnews.com/education/be...ave-produced-most-active-nfl-players?slide=12
So I'd argue that perennial 3-loss LSU has been more talented, and some other schools are right there if you go by NFL talent. But the results those schools have gotten compared with Bama is not even close in terms of consistency and total games/championships won.
Agree with most of that but consider what he did at Michigan State, I think he only had one really good year (similar to many coaches in P5 middle tier programs). He needed to get into a high profile recruiter program to really showcase his style, and credit to him for landing that job at LSU. His 'style' is recruiting. His pitch is what you and I say, fundamentals and development. It isn't some fancy offense or anything like that.
Clemson has 57, Georgia has 74. The comparison is valid. If the lists are inaccurate, then you can assume they are similarly inaccurate for everybody and still paint the picture.
It's not. At least with regards to Bammer... The numbers for the other teams aren't far off from reality...
Ohhhhhhh, now that makes sense. Sure, Bammer has SIGNED 27 5* over a 5 year period, but you have to realize most are only "on the roster" for 3 years...
I think we've the most ever now, and that number is between 15-20...
Touched a nerve did I?
It's easy to recruit when players are on contract for each year of service. Same at LSU because he set it up there. I said coaching was easy when you stack the deck. Why didn't the great and powerful Saban win in the NFL????? If you love Saban so much go pull for his team.
It's easy to recruit when players are on contract for each year of service. Same at LSU because he set it up there. I said coaching was easy when you stack the deck. Why didn't the great and powerful Saban win in the NFL????? If you love Saban so much go pull for his team.
This is what happens when coaches are allowed to buy players without repercussions. The NCAA is powerless against the big name programs so they take it out on the Ole Miss' of the world. College football is becoming a sham and you are seeing it in attendance numbers. I never watch Bummer play except for our game and I think I'll do exactly what you are saying. Why watch? It isn't even competitive anymore.
To those that think Bummer has become the pinnacle of college football I will say the opposite. They have destroyed the game. The pay the players so much no other teams can recruit against them anymore. SAD.
To those that think Bummer has become the pinnacle of college football I will say the opposite. They have destroyed the game. The pay the players so much no other teams can recruit against them anymore. SAD.
Please stop posting. It'll keep you from looking like an idiot.
Ole Miss could have continued on their path and went on forever, had they simply stayed in their lane. They got greedy and went after Tunsil, who was an Alabama/Georgia battle for a year. They threw up too many red flags at once. Everybody else in their 2013 class could be explained, easily. Without Tunsil, the second investigation does not exist.
Because the talent is equal. Recruiting and motivation are totally removed from the equation.
If you still have not picked up on this, I'll repeat it again: Recruiting is 80% of college coaching. Playcalling and X/O stuff is much more important on the pro level. We act like all this stuff these offensive wizards do is soooooo hard and guys like JoMo are sooooo smart. You still have to have players or your fancy offense will stall.
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Sure, sure. MSU has won all kinds of games because we got 'lucky' with blown calls that went our way.****************
Alabama under Saban is a microcosm of college football in general. In the last 50 years, if you didn't sign with one of about 12 schools, you had almost no chance at winning a national championship.
Alabama, Florida, Florida St, USC, Texas, Notre Dame, Ohio St, Michigan, Miami, Penn St, Nebraska, Oklahoma. You've got a few more teams that regularly compete with those but have only been able to put it all together once or twice (Auburn, Georgia, Clemson, LSU, Tennessee) and you've got others that have fallen off the map and may not ever get back (Nebraska, Miami). But it's really absurd how college football has been so dominated by 10% of the teams in most of our lifetimes.
Alabama, Florida, Florida St, USC, Texas, Notre Dame, Ohio St, Michigan, Miami, Penn St, Nebraska, Oklahoma. You've got a few more teams that regularly compete with those but have only been able to put it all together once or twice (Auburn, Georgia, Clemson, LSU, Tennessee) and you've got others that have fallen off the map and may not ever get back (Nebraska, Miami). But it's really absurd how college football has been so dominated by 10% of the teams in most of our lifetimes.
I picked up on it and we are saying the same thing except I don't give him credit for recruiting because he "hires" his players with 4 year contracts with yearly participation. He has the money and gets the players he wants while we don't have the funding (and neither does 95% of the schools out there) to compete with him. He gets to stack the deck and only has to coach during competitive games. No argument that players are 80% of the game. Look at LSU recruiting. His system is still in place there and they have continued to land high level talent even during the bad coaching years. Les Miles was a terrible coach but he still won an NC with Saban's talent. That proves my point.