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[missouridawg]

If Moorhead went out and told Getsy or Breiner to hang tight for a year and hired Brian Johnson as OC how different our season would’ve been. Kept 75% of the **** Mullen ran and sprinkled in the RPO stuff geared towards runs. Then throw the whole RPO playbook at the team in spring 2019.

It’s probably embarrassing how pissed off I am at how this season has played out.

 

[thf24]

Probably would have worked out at least a little better. Don't think he would have been interested though since he took a demotion to go to Florida.

 

[TheStateUofMS]

From my observations, most of the time the HC runs his system unless he's a defensive coach by nature like Muschamp in which they hire OCs who bring in the new OC's system.

Franklin was sucking at Penn St, so he brought Joe in and they installed his system.

Did we even have a chance to keep Brian Johnson? He was at Houston for a year I know before going back with Dan at UF.

ETA: To answer your question, it certainly couldn't have hurt, but remember, Mullen called all the plays.

 

[missouridawg]

From my observations, most of the time the HC runs his system unless he's a defensive coach by nature like Muschamp in which they hire OCs who bring in the new OC's system.

Franklin was sucking at Penn St, so he brought Joe in and they installed his system.

Did we even have a chance to keep Brian Johnson? He was at Houston for a year I know before going back with Dan at UF.

ETA: To answer your question, it certainly couldn't have hurt, but remember, Mullen called all the plays.

Johnson called plays for us a few games as QB coach I believe. I believe they were against weaker teams. I wonder if he called plays at Houston or if Major did.

Anywho, was just a random thought I had today. Can’t believe we are about to take the one of the best 2 defenses in MSU history to the Birmingham Bowl.

 

[o_HuntDawg]

My opinion... wouldn't have changed very much. Even under Mullen I view the team as 5-2 right now anyway, and would have finished 8-4 or 9-3.

Under JoMo, with the schedule he has left. I'm expecting at 7-5 or 8-4 finish. One game off what I would have expected under Mullen.

Team just didn't and doesn't have the talent some on here thought and expectations were way too high

 

[missouridawg]

My opinion... wouldn't have changed very much. Even under Mullen I view the team as 5-2 right now anyway, and would have finished 8-4 or 9-3.

Under JoMo, with the schedule he has left. I'm expecting at 7-5 or 8-4 finish. One game off what I would have expected under Mullen.

Team just didn't and doesn't have the talent some on here thought and expectations were way too high

I’m not sure you’ll ever convince me we don’t have the talent to have beaten UK, UF, and LSU this year. All we need is last years’ offensive scheme and we are undefeated. In fact, all we need is the Auburn gameplan in those 3 games and we win them. Make the opposing defense cover 50 yards of the LOS. Use more motion. More pocket rollouts. More jet sweeps/options.

 

[Chris Mannix]

My opinion... wouldn't have changed very much. Even under Mullen I view the team as 5-2 right now anyway, and would have finished 8-4 or 9-3.

Under JoMo, with the schedule he has left. I'm expecting at 7-5 or 8-4 finish. One game off what I would have expected under Mullen.

Team just didn't and doesn't have the talent some on here thought and expectations were way too high

And the award for the dumbest Jomo excuse so far goes to ......

The team was just not as talented as we thought is complete and total crap.

 

[o_HuntDawg]

Not as talented based on what?

Team went 9-4 last year. What did you expect 11-1 just because?

Last year's team got BLOWN OUT by both Auburn and UGA, two upper tier teams. They also lost to Alabama... and they lost to Ole Miss. Even if they beat ole miss with a healthy Fitz they go 9-3

You don't think other teams can improve or get better?

FACTS:
- State has ZERO talent at wide out
- State has ZERO talent at tight end
- State OL is average at best
- If you did a draft of the top running backs in the league.. neither of state's would be in the top 3.

MORE FACTS:
- the defense everyone around here thinks is elite, ranks 3 or 4th in most defensive categories if you take out the non-conf games.
- the defense also has not played the two best teams in the SEC in offense
- the defense is over 100th in the country in forced turnovers.

how does that make it elite?

Facts are state going to LSU and going to Alabama were long shots to win, whether or not people want to believe it. And you could expect a slip up along the way against Auburn, TxAm, Florida, Kentucky, or Ole Miss.

State was at best a 9-3 team this year.... people just can't look without maroon glasses

 

[Strike.sixpack]

Not as talented based on what?

Team went 9-4 last year. What did you expect 11-1 just because?

Last year's team got BLOWN OUT by both Auburn and UGA, two upper tier teams. They also lost to Alabama... and they lost to Ole Miss. Even if they beat ole miss with a healthy Fitz they go 9-3

You don't think other teams can improve or get better?

FACTS:
- State has ZERO talent at wide out
- State has ZERO talent at tight end
- State OL is average at best
- If you did a draft of the top running backs in the league.. neither of state's would be in the top 3.

MORE FACTS:
- the defense everyone around here thinks is elite, ranks 3 or 4th in most defensive categories if you take out the non-conf games.
- the defense also has not played the two best teams in the SEC in offense
- the defense is over 100th in the country in forced turnovers.

how does that make it elite?

Facts are state going to LSU and going to Alabama were long shots to win, whether or not people want to believe it. And you could expect a slip up along the way against Auburn, TxAm, Florida, Kentucky, or Ole Miss.

State was at best a 9-3 team this year.... people just can't look without maroon glasses

Did Auburn get better? That’s one of our losses that we flipped for this year. We absolutely had plenty of offense to beat Florida this year. They are not close to how good Georgia and Auburn were last, who we played early in the year. We have scored 19 or more points vs LSU for the last 5-6 years straight. Don’t give them 2 yard hold field go and we beat them again this year with a below average offensive performance. Maybe the conditions screws us against Kentucky but I guarantee the game plan would have not been 32 passes vs 28 runs with Mullen. 45-7 last year and never have scored less than 24 vs Kentucky and 4 straight years of 38 points+. Sorry I don’t buy this big of a regression and can’t find a case of this big of a regression in one year with a coaching change with this many returning starters

 

[o_HuntDawg]

Florida is better than last year...
Kentucky is better than last year...
LSU is better than last year...
Alabama is likely better than last year...
Tx AM is better than last year...

Other teams get better too.

State lacks talent is a lot of areas, as mentioned above.

Could they have won those games, maybe. But saying going into the year most people not in Mississippi expected state to lose both at LSU and at Alabama. Mullen always seemed to lose another one on here most thought he'd win. So again I think Mullen was lining up to be a 9-3 team and maybe even 8-4, losses to LSU and Bama, and one other one (or two) along the way. I think JoMo can still salvage a 8-4 season, even at 7-5, its not far off where Mullen would have been

 

[Strike.sixpack]

Florida is better than last year...
Kentucky is better than last year...
LSU is better than last year...
Alabama is likely better than last year...
Tx AM is better than last year...

Other teams get better too.

State lacks talent is a lot of areas, as mentioned above.

Could they have won those games, maybe. But saying going into the year most people not in Mississippi expected state to lose both at LSU and at Alabama. Mullen always seemed to lose another one on here most thought he'd win. So again I think Mullen was lining up to be a 9-3 team and maybe even 8-4, losses to LSU and Bama, and one other one (or two) along the way. I think JoMo can still salvage a 8-4 season, even at 7-5, its not far off where Mullen would have been

Well comparing what we did do statistically last year with Mullen to where we are right now, and you have no case that we will get to 7-5. 6-6 maybe. We are 17 points less in conference games from last year. We are half what we scored in conference compared to 2011 when we play against tougher scoring defenses. 5 of our 8 conference games were against Top 35 scoring defenses including two of the best in history in Bama and LSU. The offense better pick it up a lot. I think we will, the bar is set so low you think we would have to at this point, but if we can’t figure out how avg 30 points per game offensively in conference from here on out, we won’t even avg 20 points per game this season. That’s a full TD less than last year

 

[o_HuntDawg]

Im not comparing to 2011.. not even going to go back that far.

I agree there is a huge regression from Mullen to JoMo. Even said I totally disagreed with the hire when it happened.

I've stated and stand by.. the expectations were way too high.. the defense isn't elite like most thought, and The offense had a lot of holes which Mullen was able to hide, but elite SEC teams expose

I think 8-4 is reachable if they can win this week. Ark, Non conf, and Ole Miss I think are all wins. That gets you to 7, this week is the coin flip b/t 7-5 and 8-4. Which is one game off what I thought Mullen would do with this same bunch

 

[Chris Mannix]

Man I do not know else to say it, you are wrong. Throw all the facts you want, doesn’t change that. Hiding behind saying this years team wasn’t as talented as we all thought is an excuse. This is quite possibly one of the most talented teams in school history, sorry your agruentment does not hold water, despite the paper length posts.

 

[vandaldawg]

If Moorhead went out and told Getsy or Breiner to hang tight for a year and hired Brian Johnson as OC how different our season would’ve been. Kept 75% of the **** Mullen ran and sprinkled in the RPO stuff geared towards runs. Then throw the whole RPO playbook at the team in spring 2019.

It’s probably embarrassing how pissed off I am at how this season has played out.

Yeah. Our alternate reality - many which should not have to be alternate - is really pretty good. Another alternate reality that should not be alternate: running 15 designed runs for your sophomore phenom in Hill and 10 designed runs for your hungry 1,000 yard rusher in Aeris. I don't give a 17 what the excuse is for not doing that, it's 17ing ********.