Moorhead and the future

Trojanbulldog19

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Let's look at the future of Moorhead at MSU since this year is already a waste. Our defense was good enough all season to be undefeated, but our coach is determined to run his offense minus one game. He's determined to pass with a tebow type QB like he is a montana type qb. so this season is done until he tries something different or do it the way it was built to be run.

Going forward.
At Qb. Say Keytaon is the starter next year. He is still built more to run the Mullen style offense than the Moorhead offense. He hasn't been as accurate either as he will need to be in games that we have seen him. So then it's Moose if he stays. That's two years away at least. Then it's Shrader. that's probably two-four years away unless you dare start him as a freshmen. Then it's certain you loose Moose and Keytaon.

at WR. We are probably a few years away from having all start wide receivers. This year and the next almost guarantees we don't get all star recruits at that position because they won't come here because we can't pass.

At RB. Nobody will come here if our running backs are getting a combined 15 carries. They won't come here if we continue to look like garbage. It looks like we will continue to waste an 1000 yard rusher from last year and waste Hill's talent with limiting his carries and targets in the passing game. that outlook doesn't look good

At OL. We have roadgraders at OL and the cupboard is pretty bare behind them. We don't have any all star OL coming up that are all star left tackles to be able to pass block for this style of offense.

Defense. It won't be good as this for a long time. Shoop will probably bolt after the talent starts going down hill.

We have already seen the stars have to align every three-four years for us to have the talent all at the same time time to be in the top quarter of the SEC. This team was built up by Mullen to be hard nosed, run first, play great defense team. It may be 3-4 years before Moorhead can get what he wants if he can get it while the defense only gets worse.

Are we willing to wait and watch this get worse next year. Then in year three. Then in year four? We are on the verge of having another croom type run. Then after that someone will have to come in rebuild what Moorhead is doing to this team. That's another 2-3 years for that person to rebuild.

Flat out, we just picked the wrong coach. According to Cohen, we were supposed to build off of what Mullen built. All i've seen is someone come in, tear down, and try to rebuild. I hate to say, but we got the wrong guy. A lot of people even during Sirmon's defensive season said we should keep him another year for continuity.

Nobody thinks we can get another coach if get rid of Moorhead now. I beg to differ. There are lots of coaches begging to get in the SEC and be a head coach. either wait 4-6 years and watch our team get worse. Or stop the bleeding when it's only a small wound or let it fester and bring you down.
 
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Kojak.sixpack

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I quit reading when you said we passed too much. No we didn’t. We forced the run. The PLAN was not the problem tonight. Our QB threw it to the other team like 5 times and cannot get through checks and is completely shell shocked to a point he is unrecognizable.
 

gymdawg.sixpack

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If i had the patience i might have written these exact words. But id also add this question: are we willing to wait while the rest if the league, including a beat down tsun team, passes us? Do folks realize we could be on the verge of trying to repair mooreheads crap while every other team soars past us? And even then we'll need to get lucky and find a Mullen to turn us around in what 6...7....8years? This could be our death penalty and result in another 20yrs for us to make it back to where we should have been this year. Hell i dont wanna be an old m17er when we're good again.
 

Drebin

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I quit reading when you said we passed too much. No we didn’t. We forced the run. The PLAN was not the problem tonight. Our QB threw it to the other team like 5 times and cannot get through checks and is completely shell shocked to a point he is unrecognizable.

He is the way he is because of the plan. He is just not the type.of quarterback to ask to make reads on option passing routes. He has the look of a QB who is confused and panicked because he doesn't know where to go with the ball. That's on the coach.
 

Leeshouldveflanked

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1. There will be a mass exodus of players if we don’t make a change.
2. Our recruiting is average at best, even with Ole Miss and their troubles.
3. It is a repeat of LT and Croom for the next 3-6 years if we don’t make changes at both AD and HC.
 

Kojak.sixpack

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The entire first half we ran him on read options AND WE SCORED 3 POINTS.Are you saying Coach Morehead asked too much of Nick in the passing game tonight. We barely threw and when we did the ball got batted down at the line. LSU made some slight adjustments and any big running lanes were gone.

Also, Nick has the stone feet Mullen teaches his QBs which isn’t helping. He’s soiled now.
 

gymdawg.sixpack

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4. Given the strength of the sec west today vs our last rebuild in 2008 its gonna take a whole lot more than a mullen and some excitement to get outta the hole we'll be in after moorehead. In 2008 bama was just starting this run. Lsu was pretty good and Auburn has always just kinda been Auburn. But the west was nothing compared to today. We cannot afford to keep a coach that gonna require the amount of time he'll need to get us to a consistent 8-4. We can do that now with an average coach
 

vandaldawg

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1. There will be a mass exodus of players if we don’t make a change.
2. Our recruiting is average at best, even with Ole Miss and their troubles.
3. It is a repeat of LT and Croom for the next 3-6 years if we don’t make changes at both AD and HC.

Ole Miss surpassing us even with the way the cards were dealt going into this season would be the biggest overall failure for the MSU football program in the modern era.
 

Kojak.sixpack

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Who is going to come in and change things. All the problems you are listing are going to exist no matter the head coach. Better to let it play out and moorehead further establish his offensive philosophy and sprinkle in his recruits. Starting over isn’t a clear better option to me. I see things in the offense that can really work if we have a qb who can move in the pocket and make throws.
 

Trojanbulldog19

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Then Moorhead is the reason for that. Fitz had no problems passing in last years offense. He wasn't great but he was serviceable. He is a run 80 percent pass 20 percent type of qb when necessary. We should be a three-headed monster running the ball that no one can stop with an occasional pass based off of the runs we have been gashing them with. Any person looking at this team and what they do best knows that. Keyton wouldn't do any better. He was just as inaccurate earlier this year against SFA. Yes Fitz is not very accurate, but we still passed at the wrong times to be passing. we get first on two good runs. coach decides to call pass it's incomplete. it's 2nd and long. short run get's it 3 and 6. pass again incomplete or interception. we had been getting first downs from running and making it short and manageable on 2nd and 3rd down.
 

Trojanbulldog19

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that's also what i'm getting at. 3-4 years to see if he can get his guys and if it's not, then your rebuild his crap for another three years if you can get another good coach like mullen.
 

Trojanbulldog19

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we didn't run enough with the running backs either. I'm not saying run nick every play. no we stalled drives several times because we decided to pass. we also stalled because he call a qb run and didn't hand to the back going straight forward. passing lead to 2 interceptions in the first half. the big running lanes were still there. i'm calling ******** to the adjustments causing the running lanes to go away. If anything his passing has gotten worse under Moorhead. Mullen found a way to make Fitz something he never should have been. Moorhead is supposed to be this offensive, qb genius. Fitz is worse this year than he ever has been. That's on Moorhead if he is worse.
 

Trojanbulldog19

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what the hell have you seen in this offense while he has been at MSU that will really work against the SEC defenses without taking years to build and all the stars aligning in recruiting and development?
 
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