If MBB misses the dance this year
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I heard Brian and Joel both say today that they would lean toward a change if that happens. I personally disagree. Howland has recruited at a very high level for MSU basketball and that will eventually translate into on court success. He has recruited even better than Stans ever did. And no other sport is as dependent on recruiting for success as is basketball (which is why its SO dirty). And what other coach could we get that would attract a guy the caliber of Reggie Perry? Success will come with Howland so I'm not totally wrapped around the axle about what we do this year although I do fully expect us to make the NCAA tourney.
I agree...somewhat. Howland is a good recruiter but he also came in at a time where MSU legacies were coming up. Malik Newman, Reggie Perry as you mentioned, and Robert Woodard. I don't think he gets Perry without the "father playing for MSU" connection. Plus I think we are quick to attribute all this recruiting success to Howland when George Brooks deserves much more of the credit. What elite OOS player has Howland brought in? He hasn't thus far.
Howland is better than whatever Howland’s alternative would be. He’s here for next couple years regardless, IMO.
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The roster was a disaster when Howland took over. While MSU has significantly improved its roster, the rest of the SEC has also really picked it up with quality coaches and an influx of players. The team should be better but NCAA tournament or bust is not a reasonable standard, I don't think.
The roster was a disaster when Howland took over. While MSU has significantly improved its roster, the rest of the SEC has also really picked it up with quality coaches and an influx of players. The team should be better but NCAA tournament or bust is not a reasonable standard, I don't think.
Yep. You don’t make a change unless it’s a disaster that needs cleaning up or you have a better option. 2019-2020 MSU basketball trajectory will not be towards disaster and there will not be a better option.
I’m expecting the tourney this year too. Should be a fun year.
Many here said we would be in the tournament last season. That obviously didn't happen. If we don't make it this year, I'm so sure that should change much for the program. We are slowly getting better. The coaching factor was grossly exaggerated. That said, I think we make it this year. If not, we are basically married to howland for several more years. I'm just glad I don't have to watch rick ray anymore.
Actually, the vast majority of the knowledgeable posters said (correctly) that we would have to win 24-25 regular season games to go dancing, due to how weak our nonconference schedule was. We would have made the tourney just with more opponents in the RPI 100’s as opposed to the 300+ range. We don’t have that problem this year.
Had the right calls been made at Mizzou and Vandy, we would’ve been in.
Lots of what-ifs last year for us.... we were so damn close and our SOS just didn’t let it happen in the end.
I tend to agree. While not making the dance this year would be a pretty significant black mark on Howland’s resume, I just don’t know where you turn after letting a guy like that go
I mean, you’ve got a very good recruiter with a successful track record, and thus far, he’s been able to get things done without folks constantly crying foul like they did with Stans. The reality is that he hasn’t won games yet like many of us would have hoped, but you have to think the wins will eventually come as long as he consistently keeps up with the influx of talent.
Again, as disappointed as I’d be with another NIT year or worse, where would you realistically go after Howland? Until we have a solid answer, I think you’ve gotta keep hoping that things eventually click
I mean, you’ve got a very good recruiter with a successful track record, and thus far, he’s been able to get things done without folks constantly crying foul like they did with Stans. The reality is that he hasn’t won games yet like many of us would have hoped, but you have to think the wins will eventually come as long as he consistently keeps up with the influx of talent.
Again, as disappointed as I’d be with another NIT year or worse, where would you realistically go after Howland? Until we have a solid answer, I think you’ve gotta keep hoping that things eventually click
He's signed 5 OOS players rated .92 or higher... 3 at .96 or higher. What you consider "elite"? I'd say 5 at .92 or better is pretty damn good
I really like the team this year. 2 seniors in Aric and Q. Aric has gotten better every single year. Q has had his individual stats, I think he just wants to win this year.
Peters seems focused and hopefully he can find the right balance between scoring and distributing. Nick should be even better and he was very good last year. He sets the tone with his perimeter defense and I think he will be better offensively.
Ado is looking really good and could make another jump. All 5 of these guys have added strength in the offseason and are a year older. Chemistry seems to be good according to reports.
Then you have Tyson who brings a lot to the table of the bench. Hopefully he can shoot at a better clip from 3. And I expect Perry and Woodard to play key roles as true freshman. I like Feazell and Stewart too, but Howland really needs to settle on an 8 man rotation by conference play.
Peters seems focused and hopefully he can find the right balance between scoring and distributing. Nick should be even better and he was very good last year. He sets the tone with his perimeter defense and I think he will be better offensively.
Ado is looking really good and could make another jump. All 5 of these guys have added strength in the offseason and are a year older. Chemistry seems to be good according to reports.
Then you have Tyson who brings a lot to the table of the bench. Hopefully he can shoot at a better clip from 3. And I expect Perry and Woodard to play key roles as true freshman. I like Feazell and Stewart too, but Howland really needs to settle on an 8 man rotation by conference play.
Most MSU coaches would not have gotten Perry even with the fact he is a legacy. And as I said, Howland is outrecruiting anything Stans even did and he had George Brooks as well. Brooks is a very good recruiter (his son notwithstanding) but he has a lot more to sell with Howland than any other MSU coach he has been under.
We didn't go last year because the schedule wasn't good enough, not because the team wasn't good enough.
I don’t think you can seriously consider it unless we don’t even make the NIT, and I say that as somebody who has been more critical of Howland than most. Our second half resurgence in conference play and the NIT run won me over a little bit, but at the end of the day that team was exactly what we thought it would be. Howland hasn’t exceeded expectations in any way, and at best I feel like he’s just accomplished the bare minimum to not be on the hot seat yet.
That said, I don’t think you’re gonna have to worry about it with this team. I’m not sure I am buying a the Preseason Top 15 team talk, and I feel like a 6 to 8 seed is more likely than a 3 to 5 seed, but I do think we will be safely in the tournament.
I’m a little nervous about our schedule, both in and out of conference. I like that we are playing tougher OOC games but we need to win at least a couple of those, and our conference schedule is a really tough ask with two games against Kentucky and Auburn, and trips to Knoxville, Nashville, and Fayetteville (among other tough games). But we should be good enough to win 20 to 23 games again and be safely in.
That said, I don’t think you’re gonna have to worry about it with this team. I’m not sure I am buying a the Preseason Top 15 team talk, and I feel like a 6 to 8 seed is more likely than a 3 to 5 seed, but I do think we will be safely in the tournament.
I’m a little nervous about our schedule, both in and out of conference. I like that we are playing tougher OOC games but we need to win at least a couple of those, and our conference schedule is a really tough ask with two games against Kentucky and Auburn, and trips to Knoxville, Nashville, and Fayetteville (among other tough games). But we should be good enough to win 20 to 23 games again and be safely in.
Sounds good until you think that includes Herard and Wright, who are no longer on the team. Not sure if you were including Kegler who was from MS but finished high school in VA. But if so, then 3 of 5 were not that great for us. Also, in same time period, Bruce Pearl has gotten 7 out of state players .95 or better which includes a year where they signed nobody.
No. Were they 5 stars? You bring up Herard.....really? One of the biggest bust of recent years. C'mon man you know what the 17 elite talent is. Collin Sexton, Michael Porter, Zion Williamson, Nassir Little.....
I hope that you are just acting stupid. [h=1][/h]
I hope that you are just acting stupid. [h=1][/h]
So how many guys on that level has State gotten traditionally from out of state?
Some of you are arguing just to hear yourself and I bet if I had the time could coax into some hilariously bumpable statements. It took howland a little time. Now we’re here.
You said top 50. Reggie Perry was #31, and he was a McDonald's AA. If that isn't good enough pull OOS, I'm not sure what to tell you... maybe we can get coach K to come here
It would be pretty depressing. Guess I'd still support the program same as I did even during Rick Ray, but I'd have no future expectations of success. I don't see any way you could make a coaching change after what he inherited, unless we just completely bombed this season.
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