I still never will understand the Croom hate on here.

rebsgoingdown

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Guy came and did his best. In our history of MSU football if you have been watching the past 40 years or so, he certainly isn't the only one who has failed. And he certainly had the deck stacked against him no matter what some of you say. I attended a few of Jackie's games the last couple of his years and the games were over mid first quarter. (why did I drive 4 hours to see this?)
It is a sign of unhappiness and bitterness inside when one continues to only point out the failures of others.
 

MrKotter

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This is one of those things where if it has to be explained to you then you wouldn’t understand anyway
 

WutheringDawg

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If unhappiness and bitterness is what you seek then you’ve come to the right place.

Also, if you don’t understand the Croom resentment then I don’t know what to tell you. The guy acted like he was doing us a favor and the mission he was asked to undertake was impossible. He has historically bad offenses but was obstinately opposed to firing his OC buddy. Kind of like dan except he was running the 105th ranked unit out there weekly.

Year five, the one farthest removed from the cloud of Jackie was the worst one of them all. The 45-0 beatdown against ole miss was one of the most mismatched games I’ve ever watched. And if you don’t want people to negatively speak of ole Sylvester then it’s probably best that you don’t start a thread about it.
 

karlchilders.sixpack

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Not sure it is a real hate

It's more like talking about my favorite trip to the dentist.

3 win seasons are miserable, and I've lived thru many of them.
 

Hugh's Burner Phone

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Guy came and did his best. In our history of MSU football if you have been watching the past 40 years or so, he certainly isn't the only one who has failed. And he certainly had the deck stacked against him no matter what some of you say. I attended a few of Jackie's games the last couple of his years and the games were over mid first quarter. (why did I drive 4 hours to see this?)
It is a sign of unhappiness and bitterness inside when one continues to only point out the failures of others.

To quote Sean Connery in The Rock: "Your best? Losers always talk about doing their best. Winners go home and 17 the prom queen."
 

HD6

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Did his best? What are we, in the 17ing haberdashery business?
 

GloryDawg

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Just watch the SEC story about him and pay real close attention to when he starts to whine like a little ***** that he didn't have any internal support from the Athletic Department.
 

Arthur2478

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He was condescending and arrogant without the results to justify that behavior. He told the fanbase they were “blind” if they couldn’t see improvement while his teams were losing to Maine, UAB, Vanderbilt, etc.. He put the worst offenses I’ve ever seen on the field year after year and refused to make any adjustments. We got shutout 7 times in his 5 seasons and that doesn’t include the 3-2 game in which his “offense” didn’t score. He droned on and on about fixing the culture, yet he had more players arrested in 5 seasons than Jackie did in 13.

TLDR: Dan Mullen arrogance with Ed Orgeron results
 

engie

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Nothing says "doing your best" like actually showing up to your job 2 months after you are hired, 3 weeks before National Signing Day, and proceeding to pocket a bunch of official and unofficial visits in what you see as a huge rebuild. Definitely didn't need to be recruiting during that time when he could go be a running backs coach in Green Bay.

All that said, Croom was starting to figure it out here. His recruiting was improving every year. And that was a pretty dynamic staff he had put together. Had he actually ever figured it out, he probably would have been here forever. If only he could have seen past foolish pride regarding McCorvey, things might have been very different. But you don't get a decade to figure that stuff out in the SEC. You get one mulligan, two at most. Croom and his offense got four of them.
 

tcdog70

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the 17er had the nerve to say he knew we were going to lose to Maine, because they had the best team. He should have been fired as soon as that ******** rolled out of his pie hole.
 

$altyDawg

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This says everything that needs to be told about why his best wasn't nearly enough.
 

BigMotherTucker

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A) He was an awful coach
B) He was an awful playcaller (or a moron for letting Woody call awful plays)
C) He was an awful recruiter
D) The man could speak though. He could win a press conference. "The only color that matters her is maroon" is a fantastic line.
E) Did I mention he was an awful coach? What he allowed to happen to Mike Henig against LSU was ghastly. Receivers can't get open? QB can't thow the ball? Chuck that *****! 4 ints later and I think Henig was crying on the sidelines.

The man seemed confused when they finally got the balls to fire him. "No, no... I just needed time. I was going to change... I really was, but they didn't give me the chance".

The man was a bafoon of a coach and mismanaged his opportunity. There is a reason he's lead cashier at Dollar General now and NOT a head football coach somewhere.
 

$altyDawg

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Exactly, and the lie about his OC leaving was the reason he didn't follow up with another decent season. The fact is that it was the DC, Ellis Johnson that left to be the DC at South Carolina under Steve Spurrier. His OC, Woody McCorvey averaged about 12 PPG in SEC games across 5 years, and Croom wouldn't get rid of him and was a big reason in his lack of success and subsequent firing.
 

johnson86-1

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Guy came and did his best. In our history of MSU football if you have been watching the past 40 years or so, he certainly isn't the only one who has failed. And he certainly had the deck stacked against him no matter what some of you say. I attended a few of Jackie's games the last couple of his years and the games were over mid first quarter. (why did I drive 4 hours to see this?)
It is a sign of unhappiness and bitterness inside when one continues to only point out the failures of others.

If Croom had come in and done his best, thanked us for the opportunity, and been an ambassador for us, he would be extremely well liked by our fan base.

Instead, he was never appreciative of the opportunity and then talked badly about us after over paying him by millions for five years to underperform. Look at how Rick Ray handled his firing and Boomer handling his firing at UF. I understand it's personally difficult to fail the way he did, but most people don't get a seven figure consolation prize for massively failing. It's definitely a mark against his character that he wasn't able to act graciously.

He also put his loyalty to his friends and his mission to promote minority coaches above his responsibilities to his employer, and much, much, much more importantly, to his players. Players only get four years to play. You owe a good faith effort to them. Never attempting to get an OC that can run your system (or at least giving McCorvey a chance to run his system) and promoting Cheese to DC was not a good faith effort.

Neither of these are massive moral failings. The first would probably be shared by most people. The second was much worse, but still came from not horrible intentions. But they're certainly enough that he isn't owed anything by MSU fans.
 

#ShowOff

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-He was a bad coach.

-"We're just little ole' Mississippi State"



It's been 10 years. Who gives a ****.
 

615dawg

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He blamed the fans for State's woes on multiple occasions.

God bless General Robert Foglesong.
 

Drebin

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If Croom had come in and done his best, thanked us for the opportunity, and been an ambassador for us, he would be extremely well liked by our fan base.

Instead, he was never appreciative of the opportunity and then talked badly about us after over paying him by millions for five years to underperform. Look at how Rick Ray handled his firing and Boomer handling his firing at UF. I understand it's personally difficult to fail the way he did, but most people don't get a seven figure consolation prize for massively failing. It's definitely a mark against his character that he wasn't able to act graciously.

He also put his loyalty to his friends and his mission to promote minority coaches above his responsibilities to his employer, and much, much, much more importantly, to his players. Players only get four years to play. You owe a good faith effort to them. Never attempting to get an OC that can run your system (or at least giving McCorvey a chance to run his system) and promoting Cheese to DC was not a good faith effort.

Neither of these are massive moral failings. The first would probably be shared by most people. The second was much worse, but still came from not horrible intentions. But they're certainly enough that he isn't owed anything by MSU fans.

This is also a solid post.

Croom really could have gone out as one of our most revered coaches, just because of the milestone he represented. It was significant.

He threw all of that away though, and it was his own fault. He had no strategic vision for the program, and a million excuses for failure, mostly involving his victimhood in some way. This is why most resent him. He got paid millions to tell us how stupid we were to question him...because he played for the Bear, by gawd.
 

WilCoDawg

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^^^^
All you have to do is watch the SEC Storied on him to realize he didn’t want to be at State. He even said so! He admitted he told a friend he didn’t want the job, but essentially got guilted into taking so he could break the barrier for black coaches. He wanted the Bama job.
So I’ll resent him and the terrible job he did with the attitude he had only to use State as a page in history books.
But as it’s been said many times here and on Harley bumper stickers: if you have to ask, you wouldn’t understand.
 

Philly Dawg

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It had noting to do with not firing his OC buddy, that wasn’t Woody’s offense, that was Croom’s offense.
 

rebsgoingdown

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I just don't understand why I can't come to this MSU board and talk MSU sports without there always being someone hating on Croom. We are better than that. Talk about how good Moorhead is doing, talk about our players and how they are succeeding...but 10 years later many are still beating the dead horse of how horrible Croom was.
Like I said, in our history, he certainly doesn't have the market cornered on poor coaching.
 

Drebin

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I just don't understand why I can't come to this MSU board and talk MSU sports without there always being someone hating on Croom. We are better than that. Talk about how good Moorhead is doing, talk about our players and how they are succeeding...but 10 years later many are still beating the dead horse of how horrible Croom was.
Like I said, in our history, he certainly doesn't have the market cornered on poor coaching.

We wouldn't be talking about how terrible Croom was if you wouldn't keep bringing him up. It's not that difficult.

And yes, he has the market cornered on poor coaching. He took it to a new level of incompetence. Worse than Jackie. Worse than Rockey.

I wasn't even that passionate about this topic until you popped down the race card in this thread. Please go away.
 

maroonmadman

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One small fact needs to be taken into consideration here, since we showed Croom the door, no one, and I do mean no one, has even remotely considered Croom for a head coaching job, or even an OC job. Let that sink in for a second.
 
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I just don't understand why I can't come to this MSU board and talk MSU sports without there always being someone hating on Croom. We are better than that. Talk about how good Moorhead is doing, talk about our players and how they are succeeding...but 10 years later many are still beating the dead horse of how horrible Croom was.
Like I said, in our history, he certainly doesn't have the market cornered on poor coaching.
He owns the market for poor coaching. Worst and most stubborn coach these eyes have ever seen.
 

$altyDawg

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No, but more because he was 10-30 in conference during his tenure. Please take that tired, weak **** somewhere else.
 
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