So, you're saying we need a good little war to bring America together? Really worked for Vietnam and Iraq.
Finally someone has respect for another man's opinion.
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Kenny Stills with Miami is very actively involved not just with doing good works in the community but with doing stuff with the police as well. I’m sure there are others but I just know if him because I follow Miami.
As you know (but some posters here may not), Colin Kaepernick has donated over $1,000,000 to "actually do something about the problems they were kneeling about," which was your original assertion.
Add Malcolm Jenkins with the Eagles to that list (who also raised a fist during the anthem last year).
All completely true - I just wanted to touch on a situation that could violate
the 1st amendment. If owners discipline/fire players at the urging of the white house based on their protest, then it does become an incredibly serious violation of the 1st amendment. I know this administration doesn't give a 17 about breaking laws, but this one would be particularly difficult to overlook.
the 1st amendment. If owners discipline/fire players at the urging of the white house based on their protest, then it does become an incredibly serious violation of the 1st amendment. I know this administration doesn't give a 17 about breaking laws, but this one would be particularly difficult to overlook.
Oh sweetie I know how google works.
I just want someone to say it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/police-shootings-2018/?utm_term=.24e31a689a2a
I just want someone to say it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/police-shootings-2018/?utm_term=.24e31a689a2a
The origins of the Pledge of Allegiance
From its inception, in 1892, the Pledge has been a slavish ritual of devotion to the state, wholly inappropriate for a free people. It was written by Francis Bellamy, a Christian Socialist pushed out of his post as a Baptist minister for delivering pulpit-pounding sermons on such topics as “Jesus the Socialist.” Bellamy was devoted to the ideas of his more-famous cousin Edward Bellamy, author of the 1888 utopian novelLooking Backward. Looking Backward describes the future United States as a regimented worker’s paradise where everyone has equal incomes, and men are drafted into the country’s “industrial army” at the age of 21, serving in the jobs assigned them by the state. Bellamy’s novel was extremely popular, selling more copies than other any 19thcentury American novel except Uncle Tom’s Cabin. Bellamy’s book inspired a movement of “Nationalist Clubs,” whose members campaigned for a government takeover of the economy. A few years before he wrote the Pledge of Allegiance, Francis Bellamy became a founding member of Boston’s first Nationalist Club.
So why are they still protesting and when will it end? I feel like now they're just doing it to get a rise out of Trump.
Then why’d you ask what the reason is, and what’s your WaPo link have to do with it? Please elaborate. Your first post claimed you wanted to discuss, so I’d like to hear what you have to say about it.
It’s hard to have a discussion when you claim to know why they are protesting and Agree with them but won’t say why?
I’m assuming it’s over social injustice with the kick off point of police brutality?
I’m assuming it’s over social injustice with the kick off point of police brutality?
I’m not the one protesting, so I can’t say for sure but my guess is because they still want to bring attention to what they see as a problem, even while trying to also use other methods to fix what they see as a problem. I just wish we could have real discussions about it rather than making caricatures of people on both sides.
If you really wanted to know the answer to why they are protesting, you wouldn’t have to assume anything. You’d use google and see the first link it brings up says to protest police brutality and racial inequality in the United States. Now feel free to disagree with their position, but it’s not accurate to say they won’t say.
... Are you serious? Even right-wing sources covered this. https://www.foxbusiness.com/feature...-complete-1m-donation-pledge-to-social-causes
If that's not good enough for you, all you have to do is Google:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=kaepernick+donations
I'm pretty mystified why you'd think I would make something up like this. If it weren't true, it would be very easy to disprove.
If these guys think America is so unfair and sucks so bad, I welcome them to move to another country and attempt to make millions of dollars for PLAYING A F'N GAME. I mean, this country treats African Americans so poorly and everything, I'm sure that shouldn't be a problem for them.
Most blacks aren't thinking about President Donald J. Trump's stance on the National Anthem, because African-American and Hispanic unemployment is at an all-time low, and President Donald J. Trump's approval rating among African-Americans is currently 29%.
Oh, and one more thing:
Oh, and one more thing:
The media is more concerned with stirring up drama than reporting facts and rational thought.
Yup. All these people thinking this is an issue about free speech, I wish they'd go to their job and protest some hot-button topic. These players are under contract to the NFL. Once you start messing with your employer's profits they have every right to stop you.
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It's been well-established for nearly 2 years that they are protesting the unfair treatment African-Americans and other minority groups get in all aspects of the U.S. legal system, from policing to prosecution to sentencing.
I'm not sure what else you're looking for anyone to say.
The fact that someone downvoted this goes to show you that this is more about some garbage narrative some people are wanting to push rather than reality. Name another country with just as many or more successful minorities than the United States. Name another country that has done more to end poverty than the US. The fact that Oprah has more money and success than I (a white male) can legitimately dream of SHOULD be enough proof that nobody in America is creeping around in the shadows to ACTUALLY "oppress" any certain ilk just because of their skin color. No, not even law enforcement. As a matter of fact, a black man is more likely to be killed by another black man than by the police. Not to mention, the OVERWHELMING majority of encounters between blacks and cops end peacefully. But as it is, unfortunately, we have a media that loves to stir up drama by cherry picking particular stories out of millions and insinuating that we are practically in the midst of a literal race war here. To top it off, we have virtue signaling dumbasses who will listen to it as if it's the Gospel and run with it because they are obsessed with looking like they are some bastion of morality.
(Yes, yes, I know...I'm a racist Nazi white supremacist fascist for thinking that way)
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I was just looking for someone to actually say it.
The stats don’t show a systematic problem of police killing African Americans.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/police-shootings-2018/?utm_term=.a9769182ccf6
The stats don’t show a systematic problem of police killing African Americans.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/police-shootings-2018/?utm_term=.a9769182ccf6
Now you're cherry picking.
"It's been well-established for nearly 2 years that they are protesting the unfair treatment African-Americans and other minority groups get in all aspects of the U.S. legal system, from policing to prosecution to sentencing."
I thought I had been clear, and others have been too, including the players. I believe they are protesting police brutality and inequality in the United States. I don’t think I’ve ever posted that I agree with the protests, but I don’t understand how you can say you don’t know what they’re protesting.
I know what they are protesting but it would help their argument a lot more if they would clearly define it.
Step 1 in any problem is identifying the problem. Then you can work to solve it.
But, to be clear, I don’t don’t think there is a police problem with African Americans. The stats don’t show that. At least not in a way to say police are blatantly racist.
Step 1 in any problem is identifying the problem. Then you can work to solve it.
But, to be clear, I don’t don’t think there is a police problem with African Americans. The stats don’t show that. At least not in a way to say police are blatantly racist.
My only point in this whole thing is that the players have identified why they’re protesting, and some of them have done more than only protest. I’m not going to wade into the pro or con of the reasons for the protest other than to say I think we can all agree it would be great if fewer people were killed every year.
Yes it would be great if fewer people were killed by the police every year.
And fewer murders every year
And fewer murders in chicago specifically
And fewer car deaths
Etc
Etc
My point is they are taking a stand against perceived social injustice through death by police.
Even if that were true (ITS NOT), they save so many more lives by protesting or helping to solve other problems in their community.
If they eliminate half of the deaths by police on blacks people they’ll save abt 125 lives a year.
If they eliminate 35% of black on black murder In Chicago, they’d achieve that goal. IN CHICAGO ALONE.
And fewer murders every year
And fewer murders in chicago specifically
And fewer car deaths
Etc
Etc
My point is they are taking a stand against perceived social injustice through death by police.
Even if that were true (ITS NOT), they save so many more lives by protesting or helping to solve other problems in their community.
If they eliminate half of the deaths by police on blacks people they’ll save abt 125 lives a year.
If they eliminate 35% of black on black murder In Chicago, they’d achieve that goal. IN CHICAGO ALONE.
I’m glad we agree that fewer of all those things listed would be good.
In my view, the problem with your argument as I understand it is that you seem to be assuming police killings are the only thing they’re protesting, when that is only one of the things they’re protesting, and some players are doing other things to address other problems as well.
I’m also not sure I agree that the statistics on police shootings prove what you think they prove. If I’m reading the WaPo page right, it seems to say that so far this year, African Americans accounted for about 18% of the people killed by police while only making up around 13% of the total population. I understand this isn’t a huge difference, but doesn’t definitively establish there is nothing to address. I could also be reading this wrong though, so if this is another McClurian math example for six pack, fire away.
In my view, the problem with your argument as I understand it is that you seem to be assuming police killings are the only thing they’re protesting, when that is only one of the things they’re protesting, and some players are doing other things to address other problems as well.
I’m also not sure I agree that the statistics on police shootings prove what you think they prove. If I’m reading the WaPo page right, it seems to say that so far this year, African Americans accounted for about 18% of the people killed by police while only making up around 13% of the total population. I understand this isn’t a huge difference, but doesn’t definitively establish there is nothing to address. I could also be reading this wrong though, so if this is another McClurian math example for six pack, fire away.
No, I don't think talking only about fatal shootings is a very appropriate since they're so rare, and it takes the focus off the fact that blacks are disproportionately more likely to be arrested, prosecuted, and convicted and receive stricter sentences. The entire legal system treats blacks differently than whites, not just certain pieces of it.
It's 25% of the sample in which the race is known, which suggests that blacks are twice as likely to be killed by police than the rest of the population. This goes hand-in-hand with what we know about the rest of the entire legal system.
However, it's such a small sample size that it's probably not statistically significant and the numbers could swing drastically from year to year. I probably wouldn't use it at all if I were making a big speech or report about the issue, because there are plenty of more compelling arguments out there.
No one who has actually looked at statistics would suggest that. The group of people that make up an overwhelmingly small % of the population commit half of the violent crimes in this country. Of corse they get shot by police more than anyone else.
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