Who recruits California?

BiscuitEater

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Yea, on 2nd thought, who needs a 6-4, 4 star, wide receiver, that's rated the 51st best player in his class? Probably has pointy elbows!
 

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Prototypical PAC 12 receiver; he will overpower the 5'9" 165 lb defensive backs.
 

Go Budaw

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We signed 6’1”, 170# Johnquarise Patterson back in February.

You think 6’1” 170 and 6’4” 176 are anywhere close to the same thing? Not that either one couldn’t be players eventually, but a 6’1” 170 WR only needs to put on about 15-20 lbs to be FBS ready. 6’4” 176 guy needs about 30 lbs, minimum.
 

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I Was 6’ 2.5” and weighed 155 at 18 but I weigh 245 now. Are you saying an 18 yo in our weight program for 6 weeks couldn’t put on 14 # of muscle?

Why would we ever sign a 6’1” 165 # DB? Do they not also have to be physical?
 

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I Was 6’ 2.5” and weighed 155 at 18 but I weigh 245 now. Are you saying an 18 yo in our weight program for 6 weeks couldn’t put on 14 # of muscle?
Sure, I'll be the one to say that. You don't add 2.5 lbs of good weight per week.
 

paindonthurt_

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You can add 1 lb of good weight per week easy.
If the guy is good, his weight isn’t the issue.
 

coachnorm

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Everyone recruits California because of supply and demand. Just the Los Angeles Metropolis has a population larger than Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, Kentucky,Arkansas, and Louisiana combined. There are only two D1 programs in that area. To make it even more difficult, USC and UCLA have many out of state players. Over the past six months, many mainly Georgia and Florida players are flying to California JUCOs to try to salvage their careers. This adds to the severe numbers crunch in California. Many quality football players become State football orphans because of the severe numbers crunch and are forced out of State. Take notice that I did not include San Diego County which has a population larger than Mississippi. San Diego has one D1 program, Mississippi has three? This adds to the football orphans forced out of State. California has over 70 JUCOs that field football teams with many of their players from SEC Land. Mississippi State had a preferred walk on from Mesa JC in San Diego who really is from Georgia? Thought I would just give fellow Sixpackers some numbers to crunch.

http://www.scfafootball.com/landing/index
 
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Go Budaw

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An 18yo in an SEC weight training program? Every body is different, but I bet it’s not even an issue.

Of course its not an “issue” either way if the guy can play. But the dude likely will have to redshirt because nobody goes from 176 to 220 over the course of 5-6 weeks of training camp. 6-4 176 screams “not ready for immediate PT”. And there’s nothing wrong with that.
 

engie

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An 18yo in an SEC weight training program? Every body is different, but I bet it’s not even an issue.

Anybody, any age. Schwarzenegger, I don’t care. You can gain 2.5 per week on the sauce but 3/4 of it is going to be water and sodium retention.
 

MSUDawg25

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Of course its not an “issue” either way if the guy can play. But the dude likely will have to redshirt because nobody goes from 176 to 220 over the course of 5-6 weeks of training camp. 6-4 176 screams “not ready for immediate PT”. And there’s nothing wrong with that.

Yeah, but that’s 44lbs. He might not gain that over his entire career. I’m talking about 15, which is far more doable between now and September. If had come in at 190, we likely wouldn’t even be questioning it. He’d be thin, but not surprisingly thin for a receiver.

I guess realistically a guy like can come in with a little baby fat to lose before adding muscle, so the actual weight gain be cut a little. But a 6’4” kid who is likely eating right and working out right for the first time ever doesn’t fit the same equation as 25-30yo 5’10” guy hitting up the local gym to bulk up.
 
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Go Budaw

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Yeah, but that’s 44lbs. He might not gain that over his entire career. I’m talking about 15, which is far more doable between now and September. If had come in at 190, we likely wouldn’t even be questioning it. He’d be thin, but not surprisingly thin for a receiver.

I guess realistically a guy like can come in with a little baby fat to lose before adding muscle, so the actual weight gain be cut a little. But a 6’4” kid who is likely eating right and working out right for the first time ever doesn’t fit the same equation as 25-30yo 5’10” guy hitting up the local gym to bulk up.

Okay, lets say 6’4” 205 then. That’s still about 30 lbs that needs to all be lean muscle mass. It ain’t happening in one training camp. And that’s about the bare minimum weight that you ever want to see any D1 WR of that height. Otherwise he’ll get pushed around like a ragdoll.
 

engie

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But a 6’4” kid who is likely eating right and working out right for the first time ever

From the $21k/yr defending California state champion Catholic high school that also produced Tom Brady and Barry Bonds with the infinity pool and 7 training tables? Sure, if you say so.

15 lbs of true muscle/good weight is NOT doable between now and September. You can prep to show a 15lb gain on the scale on a given day in the same way boxers routinely show up for weigh ins a ridiculous amount under the weight they fight at the very next day. But that's a whole different deal than we are talking about here.
 

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The #2 wide receiver in the '17 class signed with Clemson .. Tee Higgins, 6'4.5", 184 lbs.

Highest rated signee in Clemson’s 2017 classaccording to ESPN, Scout and 247 Sports ... rated the No. 15 prospect in thenation by Rivals, No. 1 in Tennessee and No. 2 wide receiver in the nation …rated No. 18 overall, including second among receivers and second in Tennesseeaccording to ESPN … rated the No. 19 prospect in the nation, No. 2 receiver andNo. 3 in Tennessee by 247 Sports … second-team USA Today All-American ...played in the Under Armour All-American game in Orlando, Fla. ... Mr. Footballin Tennessee at the AAAAA level in 2015 and 2016 ... as a senior, had 68receptions for 1,044 yards and 18 touchdowns ... added three scores on puntreturns and one on an interception return ... that was an 89-yard return for ascore ... helped his Oak Ridge High School team to a 9-3 record as a senior ...as a junior, had 46 receptions for 841 yards and 16 touchdowns ... helped teamto an 11-3 record as a junior ... named AAAAA Back of the Year by the TennesseeTitans ...<o:p></o:p>
 

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The #2 wide receiver in the '17 class signed with Clemson .. Tee Higgins, 6'4.5", 184 lbs.

Highest rated signee in Clemson’s 2017 classaccording to ESPN, Scout and 247 Sports ... rated the No. 15 prospect in thenation by Rivals, No. 1 in Tennessee and No. 2 wide receiver in the nation …rated No. 18 overall, including second among receivers and second in Tennesseeaccording to ESPN … rated the No. 19 prospect in the nation, No. 2 receiver andNo. 3 in Tennessee by 247 Sports … second-team USA Today All-American ...played in the Under Armour All-American game in Orlando, Fla. ... Mr. Footballin Tennessee at the AAAAA level in 2015 and 2016 ... as a senior, had 68receptions for 1,044 yards and 18 touchdowns ... added three scores on puntreturns and one on an interception return ... that was an 89-yard return for ascore ... helped his Oak Ridge High School team to a 9-3 record as a senior ...as a junior, had 46 receptions for 841 yards and 16 touchdowns ... helped teamto an 11-3 record as a junior ... named AAAAA Back of the Year by the TennesseeTitans ...<o:p></o>

What does his ranking on the services have anything to do with whether he’ll be ready to roll as an impact freshmen? Alabama signs 5* guys across the board on OL / DL every year, and they redshirt like 80% of the time. This guy and the UCLA guy are no different. They may well be awesome players by Soph, Jr, or RS Fr year, but you can’t play Power 5 football as a WR at 6’4” 185.
 

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I would like to add to the discussion about measurable s like size and speed. Many high school players who are in upper tiered programs already have been working out and lifting since introduction to their teams. That is why they are called upper tiered programs. Many have academic requirements so they will be in the weight room at about 6AM to assure the work out and get educated later in the academic day. The person running that weight room will be qualified and paid, that is a sign of an upper tiered program. If a player is imported from a lesser privileged area, the boosters will make sure the player is properly fed. An individual developed in this environment is usually plug and play and it does not matter which college he attends because an upper tiered high school program got him that way. Now genetics is another question. Some clown take credit for their players genetics?

Another thing about genetics. Some receivers may be 6ft 4in 185lbs out of high school and genetically grow 15 lbs in a year. Another receiver may be 200 lbs out of high school and grow to 210 lbs his senior year in college. That player will get stronger but not larger, that is his genetics. One more thing about receivers is there are 220 lb soft receivers who will not battle for the ball out of fear and there are stud 185 receivers who will battle and win 50-50 balls?
 

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Are we arguing if it can be done of if we would want the guy?
His weight isn’t a reason to not recruit him.

And I I’ll certain that 12 good pounds can be put on in 6 weeks with the right work out and meal plan.

It’s not like he is in crappy shape already.
 
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