People are "resulting" regarding Henderson

[johnson86-1]

This has probably been covered, but it's a thought I had when I saw everybody posting that Henderson has earned the job because of the team's performance this post season.

I'm not a poker player, but apparently "resulting" is a term poker players use where beginner to moderately advanced players think they are playing better or worse than they are because they are looking at the results rather than looking at what the correct decision was based on the information available. So if you make a bad bet and get bailed out by improbably drawing a good card on the river, thinking you played a good hand is resulting.

Just came to mind regarding Henderson. I don't know enough to have an informed opinion on how high up the candidate list Henderson should be. It seemed to me he probably wasn't as bad as a lot of people claimed during the season, but I also think people are getting way too excited based on a good run in the post season. Teams get hot or cold at the right/wrong time despite bad/good coaching, and I would think Henderson's performance at UK (where he was there long enough for his post season results in aggregate, to more or less reflect his coaching ability) and his performance during this season (where I would think Cohen knows enough to fairly judge Henderson's coaching by things other than just the W-L record) provide way more valuable information to Cohen than any info from this current run.

I think the teams performance this post season should definitely matter, but if I were going to choose between Cohen ignoring Henderson's performance in UK and just looking at Henderson's performance this year (including the post season), versus Cohen ignoring the post season success and just looking at Henderson's performance at UK and the regular season this year, I would definitely prefer the latter.

TLDR: The run this post season doesn't seem to add that much good information on Henderson compared to what Cohen knows about Henderson's performance at UK and during the regular season this year, and shouldn't have that much weight.

 

[blacklistedbully]

This. It blows my mind how many on this board don't get this. It is common sense, yet we have several on here who not only want CGH to get the job, they think anyone who doesn't agree or thinks the way you suggest is an idiot.

The opposite it true.

 

[AlSwearengen]

Great post!! We need to be thinking about 10 years minimum. I get the coach in waiting thing with Geatreau and letting Henderson coach a couple years but we need to miss on our preferred candidates before going to that plan.

 

[LittleBigDog]

I don't know baseball enough to say who is qualified to be the head coach of MSU. But, one thing Mangum said post game...having so much respect for the seniors who've had 3 different coaches in 3 years and how hard that is for a player.
So, with that in mind, I do think Cohen will take that into consideration...as he should.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

What about keeping Self in during the ninth after the HR and single with 1 out, up by 2? Most indications were that Self was the best guy for the job, even in that situation. Last night, that was a bad result, but was it the right call given the information we had?

 

[blacklistedbully]

This is the only way I would be good with CGH on a temp basis. I think Gautreau is going to be a fantastic coach, who will get an HC opportunity soon. Really don't want to lose him unless we have an elite coach coming in to be here when Gautreau gets that HC job elsewhere.

I'd be more than happy to live with Henderson for a year or two if it is with the understanding G is the HC-in-waiting. I'd be even more OK if we went ahead and gave the job to Gautreau now and helped him snag a great pitching coach.

 

[StillTbonewannabe]

What about keeping Self in during the ninth after the HR and single with 1 out, up by 2? Most indications were that Self was the best guy for the job, even in that situation. Last night, that was a bad result, but was it the right call given the information we had?

Self got rocked on Friday also. The outs he got were hard shots that our outfield made a catch on. Riley didn't have his best stuff this weekend so knowing that, Henderson should have had a quick hook. After the first laser to Mac, he should have been very cautious. Instead he left him out there to give up 2 more homer runs. He did learn later when Denver seemed to lose control and walked the guy on 4 pitches.

 

[Dawgzilla]

The bad call was not having anyone warming up in bullpen to replace Self after that hard hit foulball to left.

 

[Philly Dawg]

What’s actually happening here is reverse resulting. We only notice and remember his decisions when they don’t work out. He is the same coach who handled our pitching staff last year and has handled it again very competently. What we can’t “result” on is program management and how he leads and handles the team.

 

[Junction John]

The only thing I'd add is that coaches can grow too.

It can't be an evaluation of his history at UK ONLY, or his one year (or really 1 month run) here ONLY -- one would have to assume he's learned a thing or two since he coached in Lexington, and hopefully is putting that new knowledge into practice now. Maybe that's the reason for this run to Omaha and maybe it's pure luck. Has he gotten better/smarter since then? I have no idea. I'm just saying Cohen has to look at all of it, not one or the other.

 

[She Mate Me]

What’s actually happening here is reverse resulting. We only notice and remember his decisions when they don’t work out. He is the same coach who handled our pitching staff last year and has handled it again very competently. What we can’t “result” on is program management and how he leads and handles the team.

One thing is for sure, we have been to three straight Supers and he was the HC for this one and the top asst. to a VERY green and questionably engaged HC for the last one. I think he deserves more respect for the results attained than we have been lucky/hot for a few weeks.

 

[Daledawg]

This is a perfect post. Fans are notorious for only looking at the latest results and drawing conclusions from that....it's human nature. Hiring Henderson would be a bad decision. We got lucky to go to Omaha this year, plain and simple. He had one moderately successful season out of eight at Kentucky! Hiring Henderson, even for a couple of years, will set us back due to recruiting and lack of alumni excitement.

 

[blacklistedbully]

Yes. No good reason to not have arms ready to go. Even the most dominating pitchers in baseball don't perform every time. They are not immune to having a bad inning, bad game, etc. Lose and your season is over. No good reason whatsoever to not have other pitchers ready.

That was another bad decision we were ultimately able to overcome. That said, I was very relieved when CGH pulled Denver. Based on his track record, I was expecting him to leave Denver in too long. When he made the change, I was literally talking to my TV, saying, "Good call, Henderson!"

 

[blacklistedbully]

But that's not what's actually happening. Those of us who don't want CGH as HC next year are basing most of our opinion on his 10 years as an HC, not just the "decisions he made this year that didn't work out".

Consider this. If you don't over-emphasize the last 2-3 weeks (and yes, that's what it boils down to, as we damn near didn't even make the NCAA tourney. We needed to beat UF in a series and caught them after they had clinched the SEC), and if you were judging CGH on his entire history as a head coach, would you honestly be excited about his hire as an HC?

 

[RiverCityDawg]

What’s actually happening here is reverse resulting. We only notice and remember his decisions when they don’t work out. He is the same coach who handled our pitching staff last year and has handled it again very competently. What we can’t “result” on is program management and how he leads and handles the team.

He's proven he can handle a pitching staff and be an effective interim coach, but I don't think any of that proves he is the best candidate to lead the program for the next 5, 10 or 15 years, which is what Cohen is trying to find. If Henderson turns out to be the best candidate we can find, so be it and I think that's a great position to be in. If, however, Cohen can find a better candidate to take over as the head man (not pitching coach and emergency interim) then you do that regardless of this season's succes.

 

[blacklistedbully]

But he had 8 years as a HC at UK, and 1 year prior to that at Chapman. Nothing in that history suggests he was growing.

 

[Shamoan]

im not a never-hendo guy, but the more he wins, the more difficult decision will be. best case scenario is that auburn makes it to the cws and butch is our guy and has been all-along or better yet, he (henderson) wins it all. im not saying he is or not, but it will look a lot better trading one cws coach for another. that said, my position remains the same, if he can win it all, then i think he has earned the right to coach this team next season, though he wouldnt be in my top 15 choices 3 weeks ago and still isnt, but he is earning his seat at the table to be in at least the discussion.

if cohen made his mind up three weeks ago as to who he wanted and that pool of candidates is still available, i see no reason why things should change, UNLESS hendo can shock the world. its becoming a difficult decision and made more difficult with every w.

 

[Junction John]

Dumb and Dumber.

Hiring Henderson would be a bad decision.

You don't know that for sure, just like everyone else on this board, including me.

We got lucky to go to Omaha this year, plain and simple.

This may be the most asinine statement I've read all day. Elijah MacNamee says GFY.