Can we offer Hendo a 1 year contract?

[Indndawg]

if we make it to the CWS?

 

[5049]

Nope, give him 4 years, he's earned it

The more and more I think about it, he's not a bad candidate at all

 

[olblue.sixpack]

if we make it to the CWS?

You know that old saying that there is no such thing as a dumb question?

That’s simply not true.

 

[MissState1]

Nope, give him 4 years, he's earned it

The more and more I think about it, he's not a bad candidate at all

Oh really. How?

 

[Dawgzilla]

Only dumb people who ask questions.

 

[MSUDawgFan86]

Nope, give him 4 years, he's earned it

The more and more I think about it, he's not a bad candidate at all

How has he earned a 4 year HC contract at a premier baseball school?

 

[gymdawg.sixpack]

The more ans more i hear this i realize some folks just dont know baseball

 

[Arthur2478]

Nope, give him 4 years, he's earned it

The more and more I think about it, he's not a bad candidate at all

We were one pitch away from going 0-2 in Tallahassee with him making some moronic pitching change decisions in game 1. One lucky HR shouldn't reward the guy with the permenant HC position.

 

[aTotal360]

1 year contract? I'd do an inning-to-inning contract and fire his *** in the middle of a game if necessary. #demandexcellence

 

[patdog]

I agree with you, but I've been telling you guys all along if he takes us to the CWS, it's going to be hard to justify not giving him the job. He's 3 wins away from a postseason that we've only bettered twice in our history.

 

[GeorgeBailey]

How has he earned a 4 year HC contract at a premier baseball school?

Because he told MacNamee what pitch was coming on that 1-2 count, of course.**

 

[Bulldogg31]

This staff has done a really nice job bringing this team together. That's not an easy job and they've done it well.

I think a 35-45 year old coach with more charisma who had done the same job as interim would be getting a lot of support to stay on. If Gautreau had been named interim and produced the exact same season folks would be campaigning for him to get the job. That's the truth.

 

[kired]

I don't know... people have gotten the idea that we're going to hire one of the top college baseball coaches in the country. I think some fans just want the prestige that comes with hiring a big name coach. They won't be satisfied with anything less.

 

[blacklistedbully]

Gautreau does not have a record of 100% mediocrity as a HC. Hendo does. There is a reason he got fired from the only HC job he has held. The IB took a terrible UK program and turned it around. He handed the keys to CGH who oversaw it's regression. CGH had just one really good year in 8, and the good one was not his last.

I'll say it again...there is nothing in CGH's history that shows him to be an elite HC. There's nothing that shows him to be even a moderately good coach. This is his only Super Regional....the only one he has ever experienced as an HC, and our regular season was 31-24. It was only that good because our kids went on an unexpected tear...not because of some brilliant coaching moves. In fact we all know CGH cost us a few games this year with terrible in-game coaching.

 

[Go Budaw]

Gautreau does not have a record of 100% mediocrity as a HC. Hendo does. There is a reason he got fired from the only HC job he has held. The IB took a terrible UK program and turned it around. He handed the keys to CGH who oversaw it's regression. CGH had just one really good year in 8, and the good one was not his last.

Henderson had a higher SEC winning percentage than Cohen did at UK, and didn’t have an SEC title to pull up the average from the lean years either. Both went to the same number of regionals. Basically, what you are saying is patently false. The simple fact is UK is the hardest job in the SEC and it was sustained at a better than average level (for them) by Henderson after Cohen left. UK got greedy and shitcanned him, and now they have a dude with a ridiculous number of draft picks (all recruited by Henderson btw) who couldn’t even make the NCAA tourney.

All that being said, I’m still not campaigning for him to get the job unless he coaches us to a NC (mainly due to his age), but he is a legitimate Top 7-8 SEC coach. He is not mediocre by any stretch, but still is probably not the right long term fit. You know it is possible to acknowledge the gray area situation where we have a decent coach who we don’t see as the 10-year guy. It doesn’t have to be “Henderson is the long term answer if we make Omaha” or “Henderson is the worst coach EVAH”

 

[kendesu]

What are your baseball knowledge credentials?

 

[5049]

Henderson had a higher SEC winning percentage than Cohen did at UK, and didn’t have an SEC title to pull up the average from the lean years either. Both went to the same number of regionals. Basically, what you are saying is patently false. The simple fact is UK is the hardest job in the SEC and it was sustained at a better than average level (for them) by Henderson after Cohen left. UK got greedy and shitcanned him, and now they have a dude with a ridiculous number of draft picks (all recruited by Henderson btw) who couldn’t even make the NCAA tourney.

All that being said, I’m still not campaigning for him to get the job unless he coaches us to a NC (mainly due to his age), but he is a legitimate Top 7-8 SEC coach. He is not mediocre by any stretch, but still is probably not the right long term fit. You know it is possible to acknowledge the gray area situation where we have a decent coach who we don’t see as the 10-year guy. It doesn’t have to be “Henderson is the long term answer if we make Omaha” or “Henderson is the worst coach EVAH”

great post

 

[TrueMaroonGrind]

Henderson had a higher SEC winning percentage than Cohen did at UK, and didn’t have an SEC title to pull up the average from the lean years either. Both went to the same number of regionals. Basically, what you are saying is patently false. The simple fact is UK is the hardest job in the SEC and it was sustained at a better than average level (for them) by Henderson after Cohen left. UK got greedy and shitcanned him, and now they have a dude with a ridiculous number of draft picks (all recruited by Henderson btw) who couldn’t even make the NCAA tourney.

All that being said, I’m still not campaigning for him to get the job unless he coaches us to a NC (mainly due to his age), but he is a legitimate Top 7-8 SEC coach. He is not mediocre by any stretch, but still is probably not the right long term fit. You know it is possible to acknowledge the gray area situation where we have a decent coach who we don’t see as the 10-year guy. It doesn’t have to be “Henderson is the long term answer if we make Omaha” or “Henderson is the worst coach EVAH”

He rode the wave Cohen created at UK. That is the reason he has a better winning percentage.

 

[johnson86-1]

I agree with you, but I've been telling you guys all along if he takes us to the CWS, it's going to be hard to justify not giving him the job. He's 3 wins away from a postseason that we've only bettered twice in our history.

I thought for sure we had one more than one game in Omaha more than twice. Had to go check to realize you were correct.

 

[Philly Dawg]

The same knowledge as the many who thought Cohen was a complete idiot and should be fired until he got us to a super regional.

Henderson didn’t make any pitching decisions that many many other coaches wouldn’t make. They just don’t always work out when you have a thin and inconsistent staff.

Basically, as I understand it, Henderson was a moron to pitch Gordon versus Oklahoma the first time but not the second time.

 

[blacklistedbully]

You are clueless....truly. The ONLY reason CGH's UK winning % is better is because JC had a complete ****-show he had to turn around when he got there, so his first 2 years were really bad. By year 3 JC had UK rolling, winning 44 games in 2 of his last 3.

CGH inherited a program from CJC that was in the best shape it had ever been, and proceeded to regress.

Any legit view of Cohen's tenure there doesn't consider the first 2 years of rebuilding, given the program was a joke when he got there. So after those 2 years, JC averaged 41 wins per year. CGH, despite inheriting a program that was in great shape, then averaged just 32 wins per year, and got fired.

Basically what you're saying is patently false, which should be clear to anyone paying attention.

GCH a Top 7-8 SEC coach? I still haven't stopped laughing! Please entertain us some more and let us know which current SEC HC's CGH is better than, then explain why being 7th or 8th would make him anything other than mediocre.

Also, I never said he was the "worst coach EVAH". He's just not very good IMO. His record seems to back that up.

 

[Go Budaw]

He rode the wave Cohen created at UK. That is the reason he has a better winning percentage.

Rode wave = sustained it. It means he didn’t advance it further but there was no regression either. That was my whole point.

 

[blacklistedbully]

See response to Budlaw. You are both woefully uninformed on this topic. Not only was his post not a "great" one, it was silly.

 

[Go Budaw]

You are clueless....truly. The ONLY reason CGH's UK winning % is better is because JC had a complete ****-show he had to turn around when he got there, so his first 2 years were really bad. By year 3 JC had UK rolling, winning 44 games in 2 of his last 3.

CGH inherited the a program from CJC that was in the best shape it have ever been, and proceeded to regress.

Any legit view of Cohen's tenure there doesn't consider the first 2 years of rebuilding, given the program was a joke when he got there. So after those 2 years, JC averaged 41 wins per year. CGH, despite inheriting a program that was in great shape, then averaged just 32 wins per year, and got fired.

Basically what you're saying is patently false, which should be clear to anyone paying attention.

So you throw out Cohen’s two worst years to compute his average but you count all of Henderson’s. Hilarious. I can gerrymander data to show that Croom is a better coach than Mullen too.

To be clear, NOBODY is saying Henderson > Cohen. But there was no “regression” either. Look at Cohen’s last couple years there and then look at what Gary’s average year was after. Cohen made UK not a joke, and Henderson kept them “not a joke”. There was no regression unless you are a clueless UK fan who thinks they should be in Super Regionals and Omaha every other year.

 

[blacklistedbully]

Now you're being obscene. You know damn well there's a big difference between, "throwing out the 2 worst years" and, "not holding "the first 2 in a complete rebuild job" against him.

It's really simple. JC took a terrible program in horrible shape and within 3 years turned it into a very good program, where it remained until he handed the reins to Henderson.

UK had been to just 2 NCAA tournaments in their entire history prior to Cohen's rebuild. So, no...you don't get to hold Cohen's first two years at UK against him. That's beyond ludicrous.

 

[Go Budaw]

GCH a Top 7-8 SEC coach? I still haven't stopped laughing! Please entertain us some more and let us know which current SEC HC's CGH is better than, then explain why being 7th or 8th would make him anything other than mediocre.

Also, I never said he was the "worst coach EVAH". He's just not very good IMO. His record seems to back that up.

Coaches I would take over Henderson:

1) O’Sullivan (UF)
2) Maineri (LSU)
3) Van Horn (Ark)
4) Corbin (Vandy)
5) Butch (Auburn)
6) Childress (A&M)
7) Bianco (OM - and this one really could go either way because he’s a choke artist)

Coaches I would not take over Henderson:

1) Bohannon (Bama)
2) Vitello (Tennessee)
3) Stricklin (UGA)
4) Bieser (Mizzou)
5) Mingione (UK)

Don’t know enough yet to judge:
1) Kingston (USC)

And to answer your other question, the SEC had 10 regional teams this year and 6 in Supers. It is the best conference in college baseball. Top 8 in the SEC = Top 25-30 nationally, at a minimum. That ain’t mediocre my man.

 

[5049]

Coaches I would take over Henderson:

1) O’Sullivan (UF)
2) Maineri (LSU)
3) Van Horn (Ark)
4) Corbin (Vandy)
5) Butch (Auburn)
6) Childress (A&M)
7) Bianco (OM - and this one really could go either way because he’s a choke artist)

Coaches I would not take over Henderson:

1) Bohannon (Bama)
2) Vitello (Tennessee)
3) Stricklin (UGA)
4) Bieser (Mizzou)
5) Mingione (UK)

Don’t know enough yet to judge:
1) Kingston (USC)

And to answer your other question, the SEC had 10 regional teams this year and 6 in Supers. It is the best conference in college baseball. Top 8 in the SEC = Top 25-30 nationally, at a minimum. That ain’t mediocre my man.

When the guy starts namecalling and talking about how uninformed we are, we know we've won, just let him go

 

[blacklistedbully]

Wow.

Again, 2 years for JC to build a program from the ashes. Then his record:

44 wins, 1st (East)
34 wins, 5th (East
44 wins, 3rd (East)

Henderson:
28 wins, 5th
31 wins, 4th
25 wins, 5th
45 wins, 2nd (This is what is known as an anomaly)
30 wins, 4th
37 wins, 4th
30 wins, 4th
32 wins, 4th

So, in 6 of Henderson's 8 years as HC at UK, he had a worse record and finish than JC's worst year after the rebuild, and he did this after being handed the keys to a program in better shape than they'd been in their entire history.

Please just stop. This is getting ridiculous.

 

[blacklistedbully]

Ha! So because I respond to his calling my post, "patently false", and falsely insinuating I claimed Henderson was the worst coach ever, with a post that accused him of being, "clueless" and you both, "uninformed", you consider what I have posted as, "name-calling".

No, calling you an imbecile would be name-calling. I avoided that, choosing instead to use the aforementioned "clueless" & "uninformed", as those terms apply accurately to both your opinions on this subject...not your persons.

I imagine you both have held perfectly great opinions on any number of subjects other than this one. But you have been way, way wrong on this one, IMO. Evidence supports this.

So, no... you have not, "already won". You've just doubled-down on being wrong.

 

[Go Budaw]

Ha! So because I respond to his calling my post, "patently false", and falsely insinuating I claimed Henderson was the worst coach ever, with a post that accused him of being, "clueless" and you both, "uninformed", you consider what I have posted as, "name-calling".

No, calling you an imbecile would be name-calling. I avoided that, choosing instead to use the aforementioned "clueless" & "uninformed", as those terms apply accurately to both your opinions on this subject...not your persons.

I imagine you both have held perfectly great opinions on any number of subjects other than this one. But you have been way, way wrong on this one, IMO. Evidence supports this.

So, no... you have not, "already won". You've just doubled-down on being wrong.

I think its safe to say we can add you to the list of dudes who will need an immediate Xanax prescription if we take the Super Regional this weekend. Hope that Anchor Down shirt arrives at your house before first pitch.

 

[Go Budaw]

We were one pitch away from going 0-2 in Tallahassee with him making some moronic pitching change decisions in game 1. One lucky HR shouldn't reward the guy with the permenant HC position.

I get what you are saying (and agree), but lets not act like it was just one home run. There were still 3 whole games we had to win after that. And, you’re acting like the only alternative to the homerun was a game ending out. He could have hit a game tying double, walked, singled, tripled, or done any number of other things to keep the game going and then who knows what would have happened.

 

[blacklistedbully]

Coaches I would take over Henderson:

1) O’Sullivan (UF)
2) Maineri (LSU)
3) Van Horn (Ark)
4) Corbin (Vandy)
5) Butch (Auburn)
6) Childress (A&M)
7) Bianco (OM - and this one really could go either way because he’s a choke artist)

Coaches I would not take over Henderson:

1) Bohannon (Bama)
2) Vitello (Tennessee)
3) Stricklin (UGA)
4) Bieser (Mizzou)
5) Mingione (UK)

Don’t know enough yet to judge:
1) Kingston (USC)

And to answer your other question, the SEC had 10 regional teams this year and 6 in Supers. It is the best conference in college baseball. Top 8 in the SEC = Top 25-30 nationally, at a minimum. That ain’t mediocre my man.

Talk about a stretch!
1) Bohannon (Bama) - First year as an HC...to soon to tell if he is worse than CGH
2) Vitello (Tennessee) - First year as HC...too soon to tell if he is worse than CGH
3) Stricklin (UGA) - Way better track record than CGH, not even close. Took over a UGA program with just one winning conference record in 5 seasons, that had averaged just 10 conference wins over the past 4. Rebuild job for a coach who won big as an HC. Phenomenal job at Kent State, including coming in 1st in conference 7 of 9 years and getting them to a CWS. Would take him over CGH every day pf the week and twice on Sunday.
4) Bieser (Mizzou) - First yr at Mizzou. Prior to Mizzou was a very successful HC at Southeast Mizzou State, where he came in 1st in conference last 3 of 4 years he was there, and got them to a regional. Greatly improved them from previous HC. Much more than you can say about CGH.
5) Mingione (UK) - Still early, but Ming has done better his first two years than CGH did his last 4 at UK. No reason whatsoever to say CGH is better than Ming...none.

So, objectively speaking, there is little, if any reason to conclude CGH is any better than 10th out of 14, and the 11-14 are just too soon to say. CGH has a record of mediocrity 11-14 do not have.

 

[blacklistedbully]

Now you have officially passed into the realm of moronic. I've steadfastly said there is no way I could ever pull for us to lose. Straw-man tactics like this are a hallmark of people who got their *** handed to them in a debate/argument, so have to manufacture complete BS in a lame attempt to argue against something that was never even suggested.

Weak.

 

[5049]

We were one pitch away from going 0-2 in Tallahassee with him making some moronic pitching change decisions in game 1. One lucky HR shouldn't reward the guy with the permenant HC position.

You certainly have a point, but like another poster said, coaches all over the country make those same decisions, I watch Maneiri make them all the time

 

[She Mate Me]

Very well said.