This Callaway HS saga continues.

[Bucky Dog]

Just saw where the head football coach unexpectedly resigned after only two years and sending 20 players to the next level. They mentioned academic fraud allegations and SEC schools in the report, but then also said they were told he was cleared of any wrongdoing. When the reporter started asking players about everything security made him leave the campus.

JPS! JPS!

 

[patdog]

Translation: We got caught fixing grades/transcripts, so we're going to make the coach take the fall and hope it doesn't get back to the counselors and administrators at JPS.

 

[maroonmania]

Translation: We got caught fixing grades/transcripts, so we're going to make the coach take the fall and hope it doesn't get back to the counselors and administrators at JPS.

A coach seemingly wouldn't have the power to change grades. He may use his influence to have someone else do it but I don't see how he would be able to do it unless it was a class he was also teaching.

 

[FreeDawg]

Allow me to explain something big picture that might help make this more clear. Each JPS school is essentially fed by a small neighborhood. In these neighborhoods, there isn’t much upward mobility and a lot of people stay. We’re talking generations of families. So either through marriages, child bearing, etc... everyone has a connection to someone else. If it isn’t family, Jill works with little Johnny’s great aunt. Everyone is at least loosely connected. Calloway, the community, made a concerted effort to get their athletics kids who have collegiate opportunities eligible at all cost. And I don’t blame them one bit. This isn’t about a SEC program, or a HS coach, or a rouge guidance counselor, or a principle. It’s about a systematic community-driven process to get their kids a shot to get out and better themselves. No SEC school has anything to worry about. This is a JPS issue and one among many. There will be a couple fall guys, 2 so far, and life will go on. Best of luck to everyone involved

 

[thatsbaseball]

^^^I think this guy gets it^^^

 

[patdog]

Maybe they'd be better served in helping their kids "get out" by improving the quality of their school system and giving the kids a decent education instead of protecting their turf and altering grades.

 

[fishwater99]

Maybe they'd be better served in helping their kids "get out" by improving the quality of their school system and giving the kids a decent education instead of protecting their turf and altering grades.

Come on Pat, that makes too much sense and would actually require holding parents, teachers and students accountable. That won't happen in the JPS..

 

[GoToHellOleMiss.sixpack]

Allow me to explain something big picture that might help make this more clear. ....... the community, made a concerted effort to get their athletics kids who have collegiate opportunities eligible at all cost. And I don’t blame them one bit.

Careful you don't bust your *** on that slippery slope. At all cost can include a lot of shady ****.

 

[FreeDawg]

Maybe they'd be better served in helping their kids "get out" by improving the quality of their school system and giving the kids a decent education instead of protecting their turf and altering grades.

In theory you’re 100% correct. The problem is kids don’t chose their parents. What if you were born in to a family that has zero college graduates. It’s hard to just start “doing right” at ground zero. And while fixing grades is immoral, let’s not act like 85% of CFB players are at your institutions for education. They’re catered to and most of them barely go to class. It’s easy to make that immoral choice when you look at the whole picture. Oh, and all those impermissible benefits and we’re mad about fake grades...

 

[thatsbaseball]

Things would be different if most of these kids were born into a "family" period. That's the sad part and the essence of the problem.

 

[FreeDawg]

So of the billion problems the college football models has, preferential grade treatment of HS athletes is where you draw the line? When the whole system is corrupt, you want to judge the lowest level of the totem pole with the most scrutiny?

Lets play a game. I want to see something. 34 year old white male and I went to public school. Your turn.

 

[GoToHellOleMiss.sixpack]

So of the billion problems the college football models has, preferential grade treatment of HS athletes is where you draw the line? When the whole system is corrupt, you want to judge the lowest level of the totem pole with the most scrutiny?

Lets play a game. I want to see something. 34 year old white male and I went to public school. Your turn.

Yeah, yeah, yeah....a few years older and public school for me too. I'm just saying that you don't do any favors for the kids by lowering the bar and cheating for them. If they knew that the grades were changed then the message was, "You can't make it unless we cheat for you." If they didn't know their grades were changed, imagine how they feel now.

I'm not saying there's not a problem with the education system.....there is a huge problem. I think we should fix the problems and educate the kids....not pass the buck.

 

[rezdawg]

this guy can't spell CallAway and he's lecturing about public scrools....

^^^I think this guy gets it^^^

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[MSUDawgFan86]

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Ah shut up. Unless you’re writing a 17ing thesis for your doctorate take your spell checking BS somewhere else. It’s a damn free MSU football message board named after talking while drinking beer.

 

[fader2103]

JPS has a rule where a kid cant get lower than a 50 on their final score of a class.

 

[ababyatemydingo]

JPS has a rule where a kid cant get lower than a 50 on their final score of a class.

That ain’t just at callaway. My wife’s a public school teacher in Mississippi, and they can’t give lower than a 50 on any exam. I think it’s a disgrace. So does she. But these school districts play games to get their ratings (money).

 

[ezsoil]

We talk like this hasn’t been going on for years... my high school quarterback was a great player and had a ton of schools wanting him but he was dumb as dirt ....during his recruitment, Bear Bryant was hot on him and when he scored an solid 21 on the ACT ... he was all set to go to Alabama.... but somebody complained and the rumor was that the bear had someone take the test for him he had to re-take the test with an NCAA representative and he barely scored higher than plant life. He ended going to JuCo and injured his knee and last I heard he was living in a river bottom.

 

[thatsbaseball]

If you'll read his post closely...he's lecturing about life. A vastly different life than probably any of us have lived but it's real and it's life just the same.

 

[GloryDawg]

Allow me to explain something big picture that might help make this more clear. Each JPS school is essentially fed by a small neighborhood. In these neighborhoods, there isn’t much upward mobility and a lot of people stay. We’re talking generations of families. So either through marriages, child bearing, etc... everyone has a connection to someone else. If it isn’t family, Jill works with little Johnny’s great aunt. Everyone is at least loosely connected. Calloway, the community, made a concerted effort to get their athletics kids who have collegiate opportunities eligible at all cost. And I don’t blame them one bit. This isn’t about a SEC program, or a HS coach, or a rouge guidance counselor, or a principle. It’s about a systematic community-driven process to get their kids a shot to get out and better themselves. No SEC school has anything to worry about. This is a JPS issue and one among many. There will be a couple fall guys, 2 so far, and life will go on. Best of luck to everyone involved

I know it JPS and there is a lot of poor areas in Jackson but when you drive around the Callaway school zone and look at the neighbor hoods, they are not poor.

 

[msu84grad]

Tis' a shame how things have changed. Im Callaway class of 1979 and in my day we didn't worry about these things. Of course, two great MSU standouts (Tyrone Keys and Allen Massey) were part of the 1977 class that won a state title. Nearly 40 years later both my alma mater and school system are the pits, and it was one of the best then.

 

[Duncflydawg]

Not to get off topic, but a lot of Bamas success today was built off them doing some shady stuff back when the rules weren’t enforced. My uncle was a very sought after HS OLineman in central Florida and my granddad was a police officer in the small town. Bear showed up to recruit my uncle with the Tuscaloosa Chief of Police. They told my grandad that they had a house and a job waiting for them up in Tuscaloosa. My grandad who was a huge UF fan threw them out of the house and my uncle ended up playing for Florida.

 

[dawgstudent]

What’s the game?

38 year old white male. Parochial school.

 

[msu86]

In theory you’re 100% correct. The problem is kids don’t chose their parents. What if you were born in to a family that has zero college graduates. It’s hard to just start “doing right” at ground zero. And while fixing grades is immoral, let’s not act like 85% of CFB players are at your institutions for education. They’re catered to and most of them barely go to class. It’s easy to make that immoral choice when you look at the whole picture. Oh, and all those impermissible benefits and we’re mad about fake grades...

That’s when we as teachers/coaches step in to fill the void as best we can to help these kids understand the importance of “their decisions”. Nothing can replace parents but a coach that is willing to sit his best player because of attitude, grades..ect can absolutely make a difference. We have to hold kids accountable from the very beginning of athletics with attendance and grades or Calloway happens.
And there are adults on this board that will disagree with me and say, “well athletics is their only way out. We should give them the grade.” That’s the problem with our society and new age parents. Athletics is NOT that important in the grand scheme of things. Do we love watching MSU football, yes! But if all we have done is give them everything and not made them earn the title Student Athlete then we are the problem.
36 yo old white male that was in school through the end of Sherrill and Maine of Croom. I can name you 3(but i will not out of respect) that are exactly what I described above....given everything thing and now either dead, in prision or about to be.

 

[GoToHellOleMiss.sixpack]

This guy gets it!!

 

[RocketDawg]

50 is the new zero? I remember once we were getting test papers back in the Compressible Aerodynamics course, and my buddy turned to me and said, "Gee, I'll bet I didn't make 50 on that test". Then he got his paper back ... he'd made a 19 ....

Yes, its disgusting. Give them what they make, and let them improve or suffer the consequences, including failure of the grade or the class and taking it all over again. Are kids even "kept back" any more?

 

[RocketDawg]

It's generally called a dissertation at the doctoral level .... **

 

[bocephus.sixpack]

That rule was put in place to tery to give the student a chance and the hope of catching up

JPS has a rule where a kid cant get lower than a 50 on their final score of a class.

I think its that way in Rankin county schools too.

 

[JungRebel]

Not saying 50 being the bottom is a great idea all semester, but many college courses offer a drop test grade during a semester.

 

[thatsbaseball]

I know personally some men who didn't "thrive" academically or socially in high school who became far better students, citizens and mentors because of their opportunity to go to college to play ball....some of them are now coaches themselves. Sometimes, given the back rounds and abysmal high school environments some of these kids come from, it takes longer to get them where they need to be and the right college (not colleges who just want to use them like a certain school in north Mississippi) provides that place. Some will go the route you've described but many will benefit from the additional opportunity too. My wife taught in the public schools thirty years and I definitely understand and deeply appreciate what you guys go through.

 

[RocketDawg]

Not saying 50 being the bottom is a great idea all semester, but many college courses offer a drop test grade during a semester.

Couldn't afford to either drop or fail that course. It was only offered once a year. The curriculum the junior and senior years was very structured.

 

[RocketDawg]

That might not be a terrible idea in high school, if it's the way it was when I was there. You got what your average was ... no ranking of grades. So a zero could kill you, especially since an A was 94 and above.

I'll never forget Calculus III under Mr Temple at State. He didn't rank grades either ... the numbers as I recall were 24 F's, 2 D's, and 1 C. In those days. The class met at 7 a.m. every day of the week, and he locked the door at 7 ... you couldn't be late. Calculus I, II, and III were 5 hours, 3 hours, and 5 hours respectively. After that came 3 hours of diffferential equations and 3 hours of something calld "Advanced Calculus for Applications". 19 hours of math is a lot for a non-major.

 

[MagnoliaHunter]

It is absolutely positively not that way in Brandon High School

That rule was put in place to tery to give the student a chance and the hope of catching up

I think its that way in Rankin county schools too.

My son goes to Brandon High School and he has kids in his class get grades lower that a 50 on tests. You can get a 0 on tests.

 

[mount lefroy]

Me too. 51 years old. Ged at Parchman