Buy or Sell: Will Ole Miss's enrollment decrease?

[Maroon Eagle]

From The Chronicle of Higher Education:

The ramifications of an athletic scandal are wide-reaching, slashing application numbers and causing a decline in the quality of enrolled students, a new data analysis by economists at Appalachian State and Seton Hall Universities has found.

The study of the impacts of athletic malfeasance on applications and enrollment examined eight institutions whose men’s basketball teams were banned from postseason play from 2000 to 2013. In each case, the bans were associated with single-year application drops of 17 percent from men and 18 percent from women, on average.

Link to article: Here.

I'll Buy.

 

[Duke Humphrey]

Already has

From The Chronicle of Higher Education:



Link to article: Here.

I'll Buy.

They were down on in and out of state students this current academic year.

 

[MarkDallas]

"a decline in the quality of enrolled students"

That's gold, Jerry. Gold!

 

[msstatelp1]

They'll make it up on all the State grads that go to UMMC by continuing to claim those numbers.

 

[Crazy Cotton]

Mississippi's population is shrinking and getting older. We're going to see the same thing at some point I expect.

 

[The Usual Suspect]

Mississippi's population is shrinking and getting older. We're going to see the same thing at some point I expect.

If we keep charging out of state students $14k more per year than in state, we are going to go down a lot with Mississippi's population decreasing.

 

[DudyDog]

If we keep charging out of state students $14k more per year than in state, we are going to go down a lot with Mississippi's population decreasing.

I wonder how that compares to what they are paying to go to their instate schools.

 

[WilCoDawg]

Kids I know going to State are getting it waived.

 

[HumpDawgy]

I wonder how that compares to what they are paying to go to their instate schools.

I don't have the exact numbers in front of me, but I have a child who started college this year and state's in state tuition was higher than most of Florida's public universities in state tuition. Also, they no longer waive out of state tuition for children of alumni.

 

[The Usual Suspect]

Kids I know going to State are getting it waived.

If they make a very high ACT score, and maintain a certain grade point.

 

[Joe Schmedlap]

It takes a respectable ACT score, not a high score, to have the out of state tuition fees waived.

If they make a very high ACT score, and maintain a certain grade point.

 

[The Usual Suspect]

I wonder how that compares to what they are paying to go to their instate schools.

I believe Tx A&M is about $5500 per semester (just tuition). MSU is about $4500 plus $7000 for out of state. What pisses me off about it is that I have given over $100K to MSU over the years, and I get less incentive to send my kid to MSU than a homeless person in Jackson. I get the argument that in state tax payers pay for the school, but most MS residents don't provide as much to MSU as a lot of out of state donors. Especially given that MSU could barely keep the doors open without alumni donors, because the State of MS underfunds education. My family spends more on football weekends in MS than many residents pay in Taxes to MSU. What I want is an incentive basis for donors to the university. A point system, much like seating order, that would allow donors to accumulate points to allow their kids to attend at in state rates. This would incentivize people to donate, and MSU gets the money up front. Because, I can tell you donations are going to suffer if donors have to choose between saving more for college or giving to MSU.

 

[WilCoDawg]

Never said they weren’t smart!

 

[The Usual Suspect]

It takes a respectable ACT score, not a high score, to have the out of state tuition fees waived.

I believe it takes a 30-32 on ACT to cover the out of State portion.

 

[dickiedawg]

I believe Tx A&M is about $5500 per semester (just tuition). MSU is about $4500 plus $7000 for out of state. What pisses me off about it is that I have given over $100K to MSU over the years, and I get less incentive to send my kid to MSU than a homeless person in Jackson. I get the argument that in state tax payers pay for the school, but most MS residents don't provide as much to MSU as a lot of out of state donors. Especially given that MSU could barely keep the doors open without alumni donors, because the State of MS underfunds education. My family spends more on football weekends in MS than many residents pay in Taxes to MSU. What I want is an incentive basis for donors to the university. A point system, much like seating order, that would allow donors to accumulate points to allow their kids to attend at in state rates. This would incentivize people to donate, and MSU gets the money up front. Because, I can tell you donations are going to suffer if donors have to choose between saving more for college or giving to MSU.

If you are an alumnus, our-of-State is half waived automatically for your children. 100% waived if both parents are alum.

(This May have changed, if so feel free to correct me. Also, I may have used the wrong Latin ending. I don’t care to be corrected on that.)

 

[The Usual Suspect]

If you are an alumnus, our-of-State is half waived automatically for your children. 100% waived if both parents are alum.

(This May have changed, if so feel free to correct me. Also, I may have used the wrong Latin ending. I don’t care to be corrected on that.)

I believe this has changed. I think you get some, but not half. When I was at MSU you got OOS tuition waived if you were in the Band, chorus, or other things.

 

[HumpDawgy]

I believe it takes a 30-32 on ACT to cover the out of State portion.

Heck.....a 30 or 32 on the ACT should get your *** into Harvard (the real one).

 

[aTotal360]

and MSU might be the only SEC school that will waive the OOS fee if a parent was a veteran.

 

[o_1984Dawg]

only if your parents are billionaires

 

[Joe Schmedlap]

I believe that is incorrect for children of an alumnus.

QUOTE=The Usual Suspect;1479747]I believe it takes a 30-32 on ACT to cover the out of State portion.[/QUOTE]

 

[InTheIttaBenaHotSun]

I believe Tx A&M is about $5500 per semester (just tuition). MSU is about $4500 plus $7000 for out of state. What pisses me off about it is that I have given over $100K to MSU over the years, and I get less incentive to send my kid to MSU than a homeless person in Jackson. I get the argument that in state tax payers pay for the school, but most MS residents don't provide as much to MSU as a lot of out of state donors. Especially given that MSU could barely keep the doors open without alumni donors, because the State of MS underfunds education. My family spends more on football weekends in MS than many residents pay in Taxes to MSU. What I want is an incentive basis for donors to the university. A point system, much like seating order, that would allow donors to accumulate points to allow their kids to attend at in state rates. This would incentivize people to donate, and MSU gets the money up front. Because, I can tell you donations are going to suffer if donors have to choose between saving more for college or giving to MSU.

I'm not trying to be a smart *** but what I'm about to write is probably going to come off that way. If it's taken that way, It's not meant that way.

If you've given over $100,000 to MSU over the years and you spend more each football weekend in Starkville than most pay in taxes to MSU then what's another $5,000 a year more for tuition?

 

[Fogdog]

I live in Williamson County, TN (Brentwood), and I've heard from reliable sources (parents of the students) that UMiss waives out of state tuition for anyone from this county...presumably because it's the highest average income of any county in TN, and UMiss believes this will provide a good return on investment in the form of alumni donations down the road. If that's true, it's something MSU should strongly consider. BTW, UMiss license plates outnumber MSU plates by a BIG margin in Williamson County. UMiss and Auburn is where all of the kids from up here go who want the SEC experience but don't give a **** about academics.

 

[WilCoDawg]

And it’s weird why that pipeline exists, but it does.

 

[RocketDawg]

Isn't that pretty much standard for state universities everywhere (not $14K necessarily, but substantially higher than in-state students)?

 

[RocketDawg]

Heck.....a 30 or 32 on the ACT should get your *** into Harvard (the real one).

Not necessarily. The average Harvard student makes a higher grade than that (and on the SAT, the primary entrance test for most schools outside the south). But it also takes a lot of other things, and if you don't have them they won't let you in even with a 36. Things like community involvement, and probably political involvement, are important. And of course, if you're a white male your chances are greatly reduced. Having a family with a Harvard lineage also helps.

 

[RocketDawg]

I assumed all state schools would have the same rules regarding tuition waivers and the like? Is that not true?

 

[RocketDawg]

I find it hard to believe that a student would have his choice of colleges affected by the performance of athletic teams. **

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

I find it hard to believe that a student would have his choice of colleges affected by the performance of athletic teams. **

They called it the Michael Vick Effect at VaTech. Enrollment skyrocketed after his tenure there.