Supposedly Arkansas is prepared to offer Brent Venables $2.5 million to be their DC under Morris. Morris and Venables are good friends from days at Clemson. Even if the rumor is true, no way Clemson lets him go. They are already paying him $1.7M, so another 800G wouldn't be a problem for them.
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I just don’t see it, although I guess crazier things have happened. Venables seems to be waiting for just the right head coaching gig to come open- and he will make a damn good one whenever that times comes. Venables = superstar head coach in the making.
Why does how much money someone makes affect how much you enjoy watching the game?
Because the higher the price tag of maintaining these bloated football programs gets...the less the sport is still a "game". It has honestly gotten ridiculous and out of control. At the rate we're going it's just a matter of time until the stadiums have pay toilets.
Yeah, there comes a point at which you have to maintain some semblance...
of this being a sport based around amateurs and universities with academics as their main focus. I think we're already seeing the affects of money/prestige becoming too important for the system to handle: rape issues at Baylor and Tennessee, child abuse at Penn State, institutionalized lying to recruits in Oxford, etc.
At some point objective adults have to step up and start a movement to reign things in.
of this being a sport based around amateurs and universities with academics as their main focus. I think we're already seeing the affects of money/prestige becoming too important for the system to handle: rape issues at Baylor and Tennessee, child abuse at Penn State, institutionalized lying to recruits in Oxford, etc.
At some point objective adults have to step up and start a movement to reign things in.
Do you think networks and schools are ever going to start turning away money? The real way to go is to accept the reality of the situation and make the best of it. These sports aren’t academics focused amateurism anymore and with the amount of money involved, they never will be.
These types of things have gone on for years. We just live in the information age now where it's easier to be heard. PS I don't commend any of those bad actions and I also agree that rules should be enforced. Point is, money isn't the reason those things happened.
Lastly, do you know where all that money comes from that pays the salaries? From the fans that watch it. Directly or indirectly.
I disagree. Venables is absolutely worth that kind of money. It's what you have to throw to even get his attention. Venables and Morris saved Dabo's *** @ Clemson. He likely never gets Spurrier's foot off his throat without those two guys. Dabo before Venables(29-19), Dabo after Venables(72-10).
You can pay a sitting power 5 head coach $5-7mil to swap jobs which is the new going rate...then pay their coordinator(s) over $1mil each which is also the going rate...
Or you can hire Morris and Venables for a total of about $6mil, have both the offensive and defensive genius totally figured out, and actually save money...
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This is what turns me off of it --- constantly beg me to financially support our teams, while coaches & administrators put on a front that they actually care about the university but are willing to re-negotiate their contract every year to make sure they are getting every penny they can even though they already make more than 99% of Americans. If they really care so much, why not work for half the salary and let the university put those extra millions to better use?
The more money that is involved in college sports, the more insincere it becomes. A lot of the people involved are willing to lie to anyone & everyone just so they can take that next step and make more money. And then of course you've got the players basically playing for free while coaches are paid ridiculous amounts of money.
I prefer pro sports just because its not so disingenuous --- we all know it's about athletes & coaches making the most money they can, and the only way to do that is be successful.
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I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a University as opposed to a coaching staff lie to prospective students the way OM did. That may actually be unprecedented.
A man just got a guaranteed contract for 10 years at $75 million. That would put him in the top 5 of pro coaches. Mullen's contract here would have put him in the to 10-15 of pro coaches.
These guys coach an "amateur" sport. Yeah, I get that they are not the amateur but it's insane they are getting that to coach someone that is one.
The whole system is a scam and a joke. They can't keep saying payers shouldn't receive something when salaries continue to inflate at this rate.
These guys coach an "amateur" sport. Yeah, I get that they are not the amateur but it's insane they are getting that to coach someone that is one.
The whole system is a scam and a joke. They can't keep saying payers shouldn't receive something when salaries continue to inflate at this rate.
People have accepted this ******** until it is the norm. Paying coaches millions of dollars is ludicrous. Just like pro athletes making hundreds of millions of dollars. It’s completely out of control. When it gets to this point these people start thinking they run the show. The owners, schools and fans no longer to but it’s the damn coaches and athletes. They don’t understand that they are simply there for our entertainment and should be fortunate for the opportunity. Now students want payment and it’s a matter of time before that happens. Fans don’t have the balls to stand up and say enough and 100% boycott this ********.
I don't buy it.
I'll grant that incidents of a sexual nature have occurred since the first campus went co-ed, but if there had been a program wantonly covering up a pattern of behavior like occurred at Baylor, it would've eventually come out.
Sure, you get the random daughter-of-a-big-booster knocked up from time to time, and coaches would be involved in smoothing things over, but something the scope of what I'm talking about would've found its way into the light at some point. Heck, look at Penn State; most of the actual incidents occurred long before they leaked.
I'll grant that incidents of a sexual nature have occurred since the first campus went co-ed, but if there had been a program wantonly covering up a pattern of behavior like occurred at Baylor, it would've eventually come out.
Sure, you get the random daughter-of-a-big-booster knocked up from time to time, and coaches would be involved in smoothing things over, but something the scope of what I'm talking about would've found its way into the light at some point. Heck, look at Penn State; most of the actual incidents occurred long before they leaked.
Is it really any crazier than $7.5M for 10 years guaranteed for Jimbo? This is what happens when revenues are at an all time high and schools are desperate to win big. Some schools are going to lose big when they have to buy out some of these contracts in a few years.
Although not a perfect system, it's very simple system. The more demand, the more money will be thrown around. The beauty of the system is if you don't like it, don't participate. Problem solved. No one forces fans to go to games or watch. It will correct itself if enough people think it's out of control. It does not make a difference to me who gets paid what. Good for them that they get paid that.
Now I will agree, I think based on that amount of money that is thrown around that the players deserved to be compensated. There isn't a perfect way to do it without jeopardizing the amateur nature of the game. If it were up to me I'd have it set up to where each player was compensated when their eligibility is up. That way they're not technically being paid during their time at the university, but they do get compensated for their contribution. You could have incentives based on getting their degree, not leaving early for the pros/transferring to another school.
There are plenty of holes to shoot in that but it's just an idea as to how to compensate players without turning into a professional sports team.
Now I will agree, I think based on that amount of money that is thrown around that the players deserved to be compensated. There isn't a perfect way to do it without jeopardizing the amateur nature of the game. If it were up to me I'd have it set up to where each player was compensated when their eligibility is up. That way they're not technically being paid during their time at the university, but they do get compensated for their contribution. You could have incentives based on getting their degree, not leaving early for the pros/transferring to another school.
There are plenty of holes to shoot in that but it's just an idea as to how to compensate players without turning into a professional sports team.
That is how capitalism works. Go ahead and boycott. If enough people join you, the changes you wish to see will eventually come to pass.
Athletics is the straw that stirs the drink of the entire university... That's true for everywhere that isn't a multi-generational elite academic institution.
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I don't think coaches or athletes are overpaid, but Goodell is.
That's a lot of money and a long contract extension for someone doing a mediocre job at best.
That's a lot of money and a long contract extension for someone doing a mediocre job at best.
Interesting read to summarize subject matter
http://www.ethosreview.org/intellectual-spaces/is-college-football-profitable/
“Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) schools spent more than $91,000 per athlete compared with just over $13,000 per student. Yet students across the country faced steep tuition hikes and increased fees.
Football student-athletes receive the lion’s share of a university’s funds, while only rarely do football teams generate revenue that supports non-athletic students.”
http://www.ethosreview.org/intellectual-spaces/is-college-football-profitable/
“Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) schools spent more than $91,000 per athlete compared with just over $13,000 per student. Yet students across the country faced steep tuition hikes and increased fees.
Football student-athletes receive the lion’s share of a university’s funds, while only rarely do football teams generate revenue that supports non-athletic students.”
Once again, capitalism... Going to college is a choice not a necessity. College is not a pre-requisite to success in the world today. It's a choice.
Fortunate for the opportunity? They're the ones working while you're crushing cheese puffs. They're the ones putting their long-term health at risk. They're the reason the sport is worth billions of dollars. A study was done on Business Insider that said the average D1 scholarship football player is worth about $150K/year to the university. At places like Bama, it's over $500K/player. You should feel fortunate to be able to watch and be entertained (mostly for free, if you can afford a TV).
Mediocre is far too kind a description of his job performance. The public perception of the NFL is approaching all time lows, they've dropped the ball on concussions and domestic violence issues, and fines and punishments to players have zero structure. Goodell has reached comic book villain status in the eyes of the general public. And yet he gets an absurd new contract.
Update on DC from Chad Morris presser
In his introductory presser today in his opening comments Morris said he was going to hire the best DC in America. The very first question he was asked by the press when questions started was if that comment meant he was hiring Venables. He stammered somewhat and said that wouldn't make Dabo happy. I doubt the pig fans aren't real worried about making Dabo unhappy.
Here is the video of the presser. The 24:46 mark is where he says he will hire the best DC in the country and the 26:15 mark is where he is asked if that DC is Venables.
http://katv.com/sports/hog-central/coach-chad-morris-introductory-press-conference
I know this, I just feel better about Joe everyday.
In his introductory presser today in his opening comments Morris said he was going to hire the best DC in America. The very first question he was asked by the press when questions started was if that comment meant he was hiring Venables. He stammered somewhat and said that wouldn't make Dabo happy. I doubt the pig fans aren't real worried about making Dabo unhappy.
Here is the video of the presser. The 24:46 mark is where he says he will hire the best DC in the country and the 26:15 mark is where he is asked if that DC is Venables.
http://katv.com/sports/hog-central/coach-chad-morris-introductory-press-conference
I know this, I just feel better about Joe everyday.