Please explain...

[Awwhellnaw]

I know this is beating a dead horse but I had a busy weekend and haven't been able to follow. Did the bears get 11 self imposed plus 2 more making a total of 13. OR did they get 13 tacked onto the 11 making it 24 total?

 

[msstatelp1]

13 total

 

[patdog]

It's really only 10. The 13 number that's being thrown around is adding up the number under 85 they can be for each year. But for initial schlarship offers, they only lose 10.

 

[dickiedawg]

Apparently they are going to lose 4 initials this year and 3 in the 2019 class and be done with it.

 

[maroonmania]

The only penalties that will in any way inhibit the ongoing culture of cheating at Ole Miss is the 2nd year bowl ban (which they are going to appeal) and if I understand correctly what SR said, they will only be allowed one unofficial visit per prospect through the entirety of the probation (3 years)? That visit limit is probably the harshest thing they have to deal with. The 13 scholarships is barely a blip on the radar. Now what I'm not sure of on the visits is does that mean they can't have official visits at all or is that one unofficial visit in addition to an official visit?

 

[HumpDawgy]

Ole Miss also self imposed a ban on accepting checks as forms of payment from its disassociated boosters. Going forward its cash only at undisclosed and dimly lit locations.

 

[Dawgzilla]

I know this is beating a dead horse but I had a busy weekend and haven't been able to follow. Did the bears get 11 self imposed plus 2 more making a total of 13. OR did they get 13 tacked onto the 11 making it 24 total?

I think I figured out why this was so confusing. UMiss self-imposed 11 scholarships, and the NCAA apparently added two more while claiming they were accepting the self-imposed penalty. I never did piece all the numbers together.

The self-imposed penalties actually dated back to the 2015 season, so they will be 4 short this Fall, and then back to full strength in 2019, unless they don't have enough initial schollies to give.

 

[maroonmania]

The only result of these penalties as I see it is to encourage more cheating in recruiting from everyone.

 

[kendesu]

It's actually only 3 initial scholarships for the 2018 class. There are no reductions for the 2019 class. The confusion is that 2017-18, 2018-19, etc. refers to academic years, so 3 initial reductions for 2018-19 refers to the 2018 recruiting class (players that initially enroll for the 2018-19 academic year).

Remember: They self-imposed penalties while contesting lack of institutional control. The COI ruled that LOIC was demonstrated. They are extremely fortunate to not have scholarship reductions added to their self-imposed reductions.

 

[Awwhellnaw]

The way to see it, they got off with barely a slap on the wrist then. Missing bowl practices and losing Freeze are probably the two worst parts of all this. I think if Freeze hadn't been fired, penalties would have been much worse but probably still not as bad as we would like.

 

[maroonmania]

If it wasn't for the embarrassment that has been revealed publicly about Freeze and the escorts they would probably rehire him in a heartbeat.

 

[kendesu]

I don't know where the 11 self-imposed scholarship number came from, but my understanding of the COI report is that 13 were self-imposed and none were added. I think one point of confusion is that recruiting restrictions were added to self-imposed restrictions. So people are hearing "additional bowl ban and additional recruiting restrictions" and assume that means additional scholarship reductions. If you read page 56 of the report, there are no additional scholarship reductions. 13 self-imposed. 13 total.

 

[Hugh's Burner Phone]

Their punishment was basically telling a guy he can’t sleep with Mila Kunis, and is only allowed to sleep with Jennifer Lawrence.

 

[Awwhellnaw]

Not sure why I was thinking 11. I remember the original 13 self imposed now.

 

[Willow Grove Dawg]

They were convicted of premeditated murder & sentenced to 60 days in the county jail.

 

[johnson86-1]

I don't know where the 11 self-imposed scholarship number came from, but my understanding of the COI report is that 13 were self-imposed and none were added. I think one point of confusion is that recruiting restrictions were added to self-imposed restrictions. So people are hearing "additional bowl ban and additional recruiting restrictions" and assume that means additional scholarship reductions. If you read page 56 of the report, there are no additional scholarship reductions. 13 self-imposed. 13 total.

NOt positive, but I think they initially self-imposed "11". In quotes because it was really just 2 scholarships they had already failed to use from the previous class and then 3 per year for three years. I think they added 2 additional scholarships subsequently when something bad came out. Maybe when the announced the bowl ban?

 

[BulldogBlitz]

Who cares.

 

[Awwhellnaw]

Sorry, I'm one of the "obsessed" ones they always talk about*

 

[Dawgzilla]

I don't know where the 11 self-imposed scholarship number came from, but my understanding of the COI report is that 13 were self-imposed and none were added. I think one point of confusion is that recruiting restrictions were added to self-imposed restrictions. So people are hearing "additional bowl ban and additional recruiting restrictions" and assume that means additional scholarship reductions. If you read page 56 of the report, there are no additional scholarship reductions. 13 self-imposed. 13 total.

The 11 self-imposed number came from the UMiss press releases in May, 2016, when they finally released the initial NOA. Mash Here

I don't think any of their press releases specified the actual numbers broken down by year. Their press releases regarding the self-imposed bowl ban in 2017 did not mention any additional scholarship reductions. The answer is probably in the response to the second NOA where UMiss possibly lays out their self-imposed penalties in detail, but I'm too lazy to check.

ETA: I wasn't too lazy to check. In their Response to the second NOA, UMiss suggested a total scholarship reduction of 13, exactly as the NCAA handed out. So even though their press releases said 11, it was 13. Also, in their response, UMiss claimed that 1+2+6+4 added up to 15 total scholarships.

Anyway, all of the confusion was caused by UMiss' poor math skills.

 

[00Dawg]

There are reductions for the 2019 class.

After the original NOA, they self-imposed 11 scholarships and 9 initial counters (see page 127):
http://athleticsworking.wp2.olemiss.edu/response-to-notice-of-allegations/

For clarification you have ESPN pointing out it's for the next three (2017, 2018, and 2019) signing classes:
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/...-double-digit-reduction-football-scholarships

In their response to the amended NOA, they increased the count to 13 and 10 (see page 121, and yes, the 15 is a typo):
http://athleticsworking.wp2.olemiss.edu/2017-response-to-notice-of-allegations/

 

[kendesu]

The links you provided show reductions for the 2018-19 academic year. The 2018-19 academic year is the 2018 recruiting class, not 2019. The 2019 recruiting class corresponds to the 2019-20 academic year.