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What exactly is Bartoo's agenda here?

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This is also the guy that couldn't understand why UK was a 12 point underdog. Said there had to be a missing puzzle piece.
 
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shotgunDawg

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MSU has 7 of the top 200 players in the NFL. Outside of top 10 recruiters, that has to be extremely high on the list of top player development programs.
 
ShrubDog

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Something I learned a while ago is that analytic guys can't see their hands in front of their faces from all the numbers.

Analytics vs Logic
 
DudyDog

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Same guy who insinuated the score would be 37-7 vs LSU because of LSU's coordinators being the best in college football. Whoops.
 
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LilSebastian

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ShrubDog said:
Something I learned a while ago is that analytic guys can't see their hands in front of their faces from all the numbers. Analytics vs Logic
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This dude isn't analytics, he just looks at numbers and guesses. A good sports statistician is trying to find stats, or combinations of stats, that reflect what makes teams successful over time -- this dude just finds numbers and tells you who to bet on and no one needs that.
 
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LilSebastian

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A dude calls himself an analyst and has 130 followers? Totally making me rethink the whole "math" thing.
 
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LilSebastian said:
A dude calls himself an analyst and has 130 followers? Totally making me rethink the whole "math" thing.
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Bartoo has created a pretty cool matrix. He has some good stuff and I enjoy listening to him talk about his angles and data. The handicappers that mostly use analytics get so caught up in the numbers game. There is nothing wrong with that but they sometimes don't look at the whole picture. That was my point.

i.e. He will pick a team to cover /win just based off the grades of coordinators.
 
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LilSebastian

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ShrubDog said:
Bartoo has created a pretty cool matrix. He has some good stuff and I enjoy listening to him talk about his angles and data. The handicappers that mostly use analytics get so caught up in the numbers game. There is nothing wrong with that but they sometimes don't look at the whole picture. That was my point.

i.e. He will pick a team to cover /win just based off the grades of coordinators.
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I wasn't aware of his formal site, but his twitter reads like an eighth grader playing around with the functions on his TI-83.
 
dawgstudent

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The coordinator idea has backfired. He was downing UGA so hard at the beginning of the season and now look at them.
 
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FreeDawg

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Dave is great. I just happen to disagree with him on this. He has a formula that picks CFB games at an 80% clip.... in March. Everything he says is based on his formula which is essentially recruiting rankings plus coach effect. The guy has been incredibly complimentary of Mullen over the years.
 
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thf24

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I used not to think so, but he has something against us. There's some nastiness in his responses to people calling him out.
 
dawgstudent

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I'm just shocked our numbers are lower according to his formulas since 2002 versus starting in 2009**
 
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BruceBruce

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He doesn’t have anything against MSU. If he’s using data going back to 2002, then yeah MSU has been absolutely horrible in putting guys in the NFL. That 2002-2009 stretch was really bad. Since Dan has been here though, that has completely changed. He was actually wearing a MSU shirt in one of his videos last week. He has a lot of good stuff on his site. The coordinator grades are probably one of the worst though. His efficiency stats are really good and weekly projections are pretty good.
 
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KurtRambis4

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Exactly.

He just happened to pick the era when we were at our worst, over the last 30 years.

All the people that replied to him are saying is, "hey why not start with when our current head coach was there?"
 
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Hump4Hoops

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I don't understand why he got so defensive over such a logical counterpoint.

What our recruiting was like 9 years ago doesn't matter at all. That was an era before current (and now longtime) head coach who has been very successful. Also, what % of players in the league have been there for less than 9 years? I'm assuming it's more than significant.

Developing players is all about the coaches doing the developing, yet he treats that as the most insignificant part. It's like he thinks that putting on a helmet with LSU on the side makes you improve as a football player.
 
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KurtRambis4

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You bring up

another a good point, how many players currently in the league have been there for more than 5 years?
 
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