Ouch. Mullen pulls ahead of Zook.

[Hugh Sleeze]

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[Msubulldogfan1]

Good God.

 

[Shmuley]

BUT AT LEAST HE HAD US RANKED!11!!1!1!

 

[myusernamesucks]

But 2014!!1!111!!!!!

 

[Ishmael]

It would be interesting to see the average ranking of those teams for each of the coaches. Not that it makes it much better, but there's a lot of difference between 1 and 25.

ETA: also, I'm not sure this is correct. Weren't LSU, Auburn, and A&M all ranked when we beat them in 2014 and LSU this year? I know LSU won't be ranked after this week, but if this is talking about ranked after the season, isn't it too early to count any games this season? (Although it probably won't change the numbers.)

 

[TrueMaroonGrind]

It's for when we are ranked too. Which kind of sucks because Dan has beaten a decent amount of top 25 opponents, but we beat them when we aren't ranked. Then once we get ranked, we play Bama. Playing Bama every year sucks.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

It's for when we are ranked too. Which kind of sucks because Dan has beaten a decent amount of top 25 opponents, but we beat them when we aren't ranked. Then once we get ranked, we play Bama. Playing Bama every year sucks.

No, his overall record vs ranked opponents is piss poor as well. Somewhere in the ballpark of 7-35.

 

[Ishmael]

Oh, that makes more sense, but also makes it a fairly meaningless stat if it disregards any wins over top 25 opponents if the winning team is unranked.

 

[msudawg200]

Yeah, but I bet we've been an underdog somewhere close to 15 of those times too. An ugly stat to be sure, but not nearly as ugly when put into context in my opinion.

 

[00Dawg]

8-31 after tonight if my math is right. He's 4-14 against the AP Top 10, 1-14 versus rankings 11-20, and 3-3 against #'s 21-25.

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

But 2014!!1!111!!!!!

2014 was Fools Gold.... LSU, A&M and Auburn weren't worth a flip after it was all said and done.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

8-31 after tonight if my math is right. He's 4-14 against the AP Top 10, 1-14 versus rankings 11-20, and 3-3 against #'s 21-25.

What about only basing it on final rankings? Where a team was ranked at the time is meaningless.

I don't know if this will make Mullen look better or worse, but it'll be more accurate.

 

[57stratdawg]

Remember the anonymous coach that said “there isn’t much mystery in their scheme” preseason?

That’s a big part of that 2-15, IMO.

 

[BossDawg78]

Remember the anonymous coach that said “there isn’t much mystery in their scheme” preseason?

That’s a big part of that 2-15, IMO.

Seriously? A coach said that? That's what I was asking in another thread...surely Mullen sees this. I know he's a sharp guy/coach and evidently he's pretty secretive considering the way he handles injuries and all, so why would his scheme be so predictable? Again, I just don't see how Mullen wouldn't realize that.

The only thing I can figure out is that he's just unsure about getting out of his comfort zone.

 

[seb304]

From Athlon's SEC Coaches Anonymous

Seriously? A coach said that? That's what I was asking in another thread...surely Mullen sees this. I know he's a sharp guy/coach and evidently he's pretty secretive considering the way he handles injuries and all, so why would his scheme be so predictable? Again, I just don't see how Mullen wouldn't realize that.

The only thing I can figure out is that he's just unsure about getting out of his comfort zone.

"They're kind of boring schematically when you really watch them and break them down. They don't do a whole lot that concerns you. Mullen does a good job -- it's just not particularly creative. You'd play (Steve) Spurrier back in the day and he'd see something he'd like in the NFL on Sunday and you'd see it with him the following weekend. With Mullen, he kind of has his things he likes and that's what he does. There's no newness there."

 

[BossDawg78]

That's what I don't understand - does Mullen not see that? I'm guessing because he can't get the speed like he got at Florida, it's got him gunshy to open things up a little more. Or was he like that there, too?

 

[tatedog]

If Joe Tiller is still alive, he might get quite a few offers at the end of this season.

eta: He's not, so scratch that, at least for most of the jobs.

 

[tatedog]

Remember the anonymous coach that said “there isn’t much mystery in their scheme” preseason?

That’s a big part of that 2-15, IMO.

Going for a fake punt down 21-3 backed up on your end in the first half is pretty mysterious to me, so whoever said that is full of ****. I'm not an SEC head coach, but I didn't believe it even after I saw it.

 

[natchezdawg]

If we had a punter that ran a 4.4 40 we would have had it too...

 

[00Dawg]

No one of any real import keeps that stat. Not only does it ignore things like beating a team before key injuries impacted them, it would also skew stats like wins over the #1 team.

 

[fishwater99]

Been telling y'all for years Mullen will never get us to ATL. We are mediocre at best with Dan. We will never compete year after year in the SEC with him. But hey we went to a bowl last year 5-7.

 

[NCDawg.sixpack]

Been telling y'all for years Mullen will never get us to ATL. We are mediocre at best with Dan. We will never compete year after year in the SEC with him. But hey we went to a bowl last year 5-7.

That's right and most State fans seem to be happy with that. He's got it made-win a couple SEC games a year, beat the other 4 patsies, and get paid 4.5M per year. So we are stuck with him-no other school will pay that amount for him.

 

[57stratdawg]

We ran a fake punt up 21-0 on about our own 25 in the 2014 Auburn game.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

HS eat ****

that is as nice as I can be.

 

[tatedog]

We ran a fake punt up 21-0 on about our own 25 in the 2014 Auburn game.

Yeah and the two rank right next to each other in both logic and result.

 

[TheStateUofMS]

Fish wants to be right so bad. So far he's an idiot on this topic.

 

[TheStateUofMS]

We play a lot of highly ranked teams...at least he has us in ranked match ups fairly often. Seems like it happens a decent amount and more often. We'll get over the hump. He actually has some real QB recruits to work with.

 

[TheStateUofMS]

This really shows how bad Zook is. With the resources and talent he put together on the team that later won National Championships, just shows how bad of a coach he is.

Joe Tiller was at Purdue I think.

Gary Gibbs, I'm not sure.

Looks like Joe Tiller was a good coach who got Purdue out of the cellar like Dan did to us, but Dan seems like he can obviously sustain us.

 

[KurtRambis4]

I wonder what the rest of the league's

record is vs top 10 teams in that time frame is, which is basically what that shows.

 

[Seinfeld]

Yeah, as bad as the initial stats look on paper, it's about the same as recruiting rankings to me. Top 25 classes are nice, but the gap between a 20-25th ranked class and a top 10 class is massive. Similarly, when teams in your own division like Bama, LSU, and Auburn are constantly in the Top 10, you're just not going to win many of those games.

For those that think we can do better than Mullen, that's fine. Maybe be we can. But of all those ranked matchups, it would be interesting to know how many we weren't at least 7+ pt underdogs

 

[TUSK.sixpack]

What about only basing it on final rankings? Where a team was ranked at the time is meaningless.

I don't know if this will make Mullen look better or worse, but it'll be more accurate.

2-30

EDIT: this is Mullen vs teams that finished ranked... it does not consider MSU's ranking... my bad.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

2-30

17ing ouch. If that doesn't put Dan Mullen in his place, nothing will.

 

[57stratdawg]

That’s the killer to me.

 

[olblue.sixpack]

2014 was Fools Gold.... LSU, A&M and Auburn weren't worth a flip after it was all said and done.

2014 was anything but fool's gold. More like a golden age of MSU football.

 

[notoriousD_O_G]

Been telling y'all for years Mullen will never get us to ATL. We are mediocre at best with Dan. We will never compete year after year in the SEC with him OR ANYONE ELSE.

FTFY

 

[fishwater99]

Fish wants to be right so bad. So far he's an idiot on this topic.[/QUOTE


How am I not right, my point is proved with every loss to a ranked team...Sorry But sometimes the truth hurts..

 

[fishwater99]

We play a lot of highly ranked teams...at least he has us in ranked match ups fairly often. Seems like it happens a decent amount and more often. We'll get over the hump. He actually has some real QB recruits to work with.

It won't matter if we can not recruit OL and WR's at a high level. It really has showed the last two weeks how bad we are at those 2 positions.

 

[KurtRambis4]

I don't think it's showed

how bad we are the past two weeks, as much as it says we aren't at national title contender level there, yet.

 

[pDigital32Dawg]

8 of those are to Nick Saban's Alabama teams. In the words of Ben Garrett "It's not fair Dan!"

 

[Hump4Hoops]

I'm surprised fish hasn't given this dead horse an *** whipping yet.

Guess he's too busy calling for Mullen's head? I'm sure that'll work out swell.