If the ncaa doesn't follow the new matrix that was set up for determining punishments found on member institutions, that sends a message to other members of the ncaa there is no structure what so ever. The sole purpose of establishing the "new matrix" was set up to take the guessing out of the penalty phase and go solely by the matrix. OM just happened to be the 1st member of the ncaa to go before the committee under the new matrix. If they don't go strictly by the new guidelines they may as well close the door and get out of the way. This is really a historic case for the ncaa. So much of their future purpose and guidelines are at risk in this case. OM has no one to blame but themselves. They were egregious in every facet of their breaking the rules. The ncaa's ruling will determine the landscape of college football, as well as every other sport goverened by the ncaa. This case will be the most watched case in the history of college sports, and yes that includes SMU.
The "Matrix" has to be followed
- Thread starter bocephus.sixpack
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When they came up with The "Matrix" I don't think they ever expected anybody to go full TILT on it.
FYI - From a thread in June:
[h=2]OM accepted violations - have I got this straight?[/h]
[h=2]OM accepted violations - have I got this straight?[/h]
So, even if we go with what they are saying, Even if we wear the Black Bear rose-colored glasses are we not looking at minimally:
How on earth can anyone with half-a-brain argue that their self-imposed penalties come anywhere close to satisfying the above? 11 scholarships and just 1 year bowl ban in a year they probably weren't gonna make one anyway, or at best would have been a low-tier one.
Here's the NCAA penalty matrix. Note that the penalties are enforceable for ONE violation. The severity of the punishment for each violation can be, "aggravated, standard or mitigated".
Violation Level I Competition Penalties: Postseason Ban *Competition penalties may be used singularly or in combination:
Aggravated 2 to 4 years
Standard 1 to 2 years
Mitigated 0 to 1 year
Violation Level II Competition Penalties: Postseason Ban *Competition penalties may be used singularly or in combination:
Aggravated 1 to 2 years
Standard 0 to 1 year
Mitigated 0
Violation Level I Scholarship Reductions of Involved Sport(s) Program(s)*:
Aggravated 25 to 50%
Standard 12.5 to 25%
Mitigated 0 to 12.5%
Violation Level II Scholarship Reductions of Involved
Sport(s) Program(s):
Aggravated 12.5 to 25%
Standard 0 to 12.5%
Mitigated 0 to 5%
* For cases in which financial aid overages have occurred, a minimum 2-for-1 reduction in financial aid awards shall apply up to at least 20% of the team financial aid limit.
Violation Level I Show-Cause Order Restrictions:
Aggravated 5 to 10 years
Standard 2 to 5 years
Mitigated 1 to 2 years
Violation Level II Show-Cause Order Restrictions:
Aggravated 2 to 5 year
Standard 1 to 2 years
Mitigated 0 to 1 year
These are just the 3 biggest categories, and do not include recruiting restrictions, fines, etc.
They can be multiplied and/or categorized as a higher, "circumstance" (Aggravated, Standard or Mitigated) based on multiple violations (for instance, multiple standard circumstances can be punished as harshly as a single aggravated circumstance).
Please, do the math and tell me how anybody arrives at:
Again, I'm pretty sure I'm looking at this from the absolute most positive outcome possible for UNM. This is if they win every contested point.
Though the NCAA is not required to to add up every violation (or so I've been told), I think they can choose to add as many as they see fit to justify the punishment they feel is warranted. And I don't think the way UNM is behaving is going to sit well with the COI.
That said, each Level 1 Standard is supposed to count a minimum of 11 scholarships (12.5% of 85). They have 6 they are not even contesting.
Each Level 2 Aggravated is supposed to count a minimum of 11 (12.5% of 85). UNM is contesting 2 Level 1's as L2, so I'm figuring best case for them is L2 aggravated. THey have 2 of these.
Not even looking at LOIC, which multiple L1's, 2's & 3's can strongly suggest, particularly against multiple sports, that looks to me like the COI can go as high as 85 scholarships (85 x 12.5% x 8 ).
Now there is no way they are gonna do that. The DP would be less harsh, unless it also meant getting booted from the SEC. But it sure seems to me the COI has PLENTY of room to absolutely blast UNM, even if UNM wins every point they argue (they won't).
- 6 Level 1 violations (not contested)
- 2 Level 2 aggravated (NCAA says L1, UNM arguing L2, so let's call it L2 aggravated)
- 5 Level 3 violations (not contested unless a higher level they are contesting to L3)
How on earth can anyone with half-a-brain argue that their self-imposed penalties come anywhere close to satisfying the above? 11 scholarships and just 1 year bowl ban in a year they probably weren't gonna make one anyway, or at best would have been a low-tier one.
Here's the NCAA penalty matrix. Note that the penalties are enforceable for ONE violation. The severity of the punishment for each violation can be, "aggravated, standard or mitigated".
Violation Level I Competition Penalties: Postseason Ban *Competition penalties may be used singularly or in combination:
Aggravated 2 to 4 years
Standard 1 to 2 years
Mitigated 0 to 1 year
Violation Level II Competition Penalties: Postseason Ban *Competition penalties may be used singularly or in combination:
Aggravated 1 to 2 years
Standard 0 to 1 year
Mitigated 0
Violation Level I Scholarship Reductions of Involved Sport(s) Program(s)*:
Aggravated 25 to 50%
Standard 12.5 to 25%
Mitigated 0 to 12.5%
Violation Level II Scholarship Reductions of Involved
Sport(s) Program(s):
Aggravated 12.5 to 25%
Standard 0 to 12.5%
Mitigated 0 to 5%
* For cases in which financial aid overages have occurred, a minimum 2-for-1 reduction in financial aid awards shall apply up to at least 20% of the team financial aid limit.
Violation Level I Show-Cause Order Restrictions:
Aggravated 5 to 10 years
Standard 2 to 5 years
Mitigated 1 to 2 years
Violation Level II Show-Cause Order Restrictions:
Aggravated 2 to 5 year
Standard 1 to 2 years
Mitigated 0 to 1 year
These are just the 3 biggest categories, and do not include recruiting restrictions, fines, etc.
They can be multiplied and/or categorized as a higher, "circumstance" (Aggravated, Standard or Mitigated) based on multiple violations (for instance, multiple standard circumstances can be punished as harshly as a single aggravated circumstance).
Please, do the math and tell me how anybody arrives at:
- 10 football scholarships over the next three seasons (two in 2016, and four each in 2017 and 2018), plus one it's counting from the 2015 season
- A $159,352 fine, and "involved staff" will undergo "additional rules education" on NCAA policy.
- 1 year bowl ban
Again, I'm pretty sure I'm looking at this from the absolute most positive outcome possible for UNM. This is if they win every contested point.
Though the NCAA is not required to to add up every violation (or so I've been told), I think they can choose to add as many as they see fit to justify the punishment they feel is warranted. And I don't think the way UNM is behaving is going to sit well with the COI.
That said, each Level 1 Standard is supposed to count a minimum of 11 scholarships (12.5% of 85). They have 6 they are not even contesting.
Each Level 2 Aggravated is supposed to count a minimum of 11 (12.5% of 85). UNM is contesting 2 Level 1's as L2, so I'm figuring best case for them is L2 aggravated. THey have 2 of these.
Not even looking at LOIC, which multiple L1's, 2's & 3's can strongly suggest, particularly against multiple sports, that looks to me like the COI can go as high as 85 scholarships (85 x 12.5% x 8 ).
Now there is no way they are gonna do that. The DP would be less harsh, unless it also meant getting booted from the SEC. But it sure seems to me the COI has PLENTY of room to absolutely blast UNM, even if UNM wins every point they argue (they won't).
BINGO .. NCAA never considered that a school would continue MASIVE cheating while on probation .. OR after receiving a NOA .. OR release confidential information BEFORE meeting the COI .. OR orchestrate a united media attack of the NCAA BEFORE going before the COI.
They won't follow the matrix, they can't. Ole Miss will get off lightly and still scream that it was unfair..
3 year Bowl Ban
32 Scholarships over 4 years
6 year probation
$1 Million Fine
3 year Bowl Ban
32 Scholarships over 4 years
6 year probation
$1 Million Fine
If the NCAA goes by the matrix it would be a 10 year bowl ban and 85 scholarships lost. That's not going to happen. If you listen to Wolken the other day it seems like he was hinting that the COI will be using other factors as well as the matrix. Who knows but if they go by the matrix they need to start taking down the stadium.
As my father likes to say, the only reason to have a plan is to deviate from it.
They have a matrix because, whenever it was created, they felt like they needed to "do something" or "change something." So they created The Matrix. That doesn't mean they're going to abide by it strictly.
They have a matrix because, whenever it was created, they felt like they needed to "do something" or "change something." So they created The Matrix. That doesn't mean they're going to abide by it strictly.
You're enjoying Colorado way too much!
I believe the Committee is looking at how did they benefit from the cheating when assessing these penalties. Particularly the financial ones. Win/losses aren't particularly important, I wouldn't think. Quite funny that with the rampant cheating they still went 5-7 last year.
My my guess is it's much worse.
3 year bowl ban (with possibility of 4)
45-50 over 5
10 year probation (with an explanation that the extended time is due to cheating while under investigation and blatantly lying)
$15 million fine
whoahhhh. $15 million. No. You're stupid. Really? How much money did they get for the bowl games using ineligible players? How about those increased season ticket sales and need to put in high school bleachers because of the great Danny Hugh's mighty Sugar Bowl Champs. They will make a statement that cheating for financial gain will not be tolerated. Maybe I'm high (on the amount) but it will be way north of a mil.
I believe the Committee is looking at how did they benefit from the cheating when assessing these penalties. Particularly the financial ones. Win/losses aren't particularly important, I wouldn't think. Quite funny that with the rampant cheating they still went 5-7 last year.
My my guess is it's much worse.
3 year bowl ban (with possibility of 4)
45-50 over 5
10 year probation (with an explanation that the extended time is due to cheating while under investigation and blatantly lying)
$15 million fine
whoahhhh. $15 million. No. You're stupid. Really? How much money did they get for the bowl games using ineligible players? How about those increased season ticket sales and need to put in high school bleachers because of the great Danny Hugh's mighty Sugar Bowl Champs. They will make a statement that cheating for financial gain will not be tolerated. Maybe I'm high (on the amount) but it will be way north of a mil.
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